Russia offers Fighter Jets , S400 , Turbofan Engine and Submarine technologies to Turkey

[Battlion25]

according to the infamous @MMM-E , whoever doesn't like his copy paste list is a whatever feto terrorist, that makes me an undercover feto on PDF aswell?

You just got listed as FETO organizer

 

[MMM-E]

but on Syrian battlefield S-300 (which approx. same as S-400) failed, when Israel attacks.

Russia allow İsrael to attack İranian targets in Syria

even outdated S200 turned İsraeli F-16 into crap of metal in Syria

 

[MMM-E]

Erdogan says will jointly produce S-500s with Russia after purchase of S-400s ( May 19, 2019 )

Turkey's Erdogan says will jointly produce S-500s with Russia after purchase of S-400s

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday that the purchase of S-400 defense systems from Russia was a done deal, adding that Ankara would also jointly produce S-500 defense systems with Moscow.

www.reuters.com

İf USA and France block F-35 , F-16V , PATRIOT , SAMP-T to Turkiye
then Turkiye will purchase 2nd batch of S400s even S500 in near future


if Turkey buys S500 and SU-57 , Game over ! for Greece-France
Greece-France with miserable RAFALE can do nothing against even S400 + SU-35

Russia would start the exports of the S-500 .. ( 02.11.2021 )

Director of Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev said that Russia would start the exports of the S-500
We consider India, as well as China and all the states that we have long-standing, partner and predictable relations with as prospective buyers of this latest system

https://tass.com/defense/1356905

 

[sammuel]

if Turkey buys S500 and SU-57 , Game over ! for Greece-France
Greece-France with miserable RAFALE can do nothing against even S400 + SU-35

We are very much relieved . Can you please remind the members here when was the last time Turkey was in a direct miletery conflict with Greece or France ?


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[MMM-E]

We are very much relieved . Can you please remind the members here when was the last time Turkey was in a direct miletery conflict with Greece or France ?

in 1918 Ottoman Army was banned after WW1

in 1919 The UK+France+İtaly+Greece+Armenia all together attacked on unarmed Turkiye

Turks bought weapons from Russians and Turks kicked all of them between 1919 - 1922



today same senario
USA-France are trying weaken Turkish Airforce by arms embargo .to block F-35 , F16V , PATRIOT , SAMP-T to Turkiye
France-Greece wants to use military power to steal oil-gas reserves and around 150.000 km2 area from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean


ERDOGAN should work with Russia

then USA-France will suck in the Black Sea , in the Eastern Mediterranean , in Caucasia , in Libya and in Syria

Turkiye+Russia together can develop super weapons to sell them to 1,8 billion İslamic World , Africa , South America and Asia

Everybody has seen treacherous and unreliable USA over F35 issue

 

[reflecthofgeismar]

Yes I watched the war. Yes Hezbollah suffered. Airstrikes were ruthless but did u miss the screaming crying Israeli soldiers. Littered merkavas and knocked out modern warships. Psychologically Israel was raped for the 1st time

Well, that's a generalization.

Hezbollah has done excellently for the circumstances under which it has struggled.

However, Hezbollah had prepared itself MUCH better than the decadent and safe feeling (their state as a whole isn't really in danger anymore) Israelis.

Hezbollah excels as light infantry.

The Soviet supported Arab armies were quite useless against the "child-murdering Zionists". Jews were just the better soldiers.
They (Jews) had - back in the day fighting spirit and ONE lost war = end of Israel, so they fought tough and bravely.
Don't get me wrong, the US / British equipped Jordanians who were trained by the British fought well.
Same applies for some Egyptian and Syrian units.
But Arab armies are weak because of political intrugies and jealously between "officers".
Lions led by donkeys you could say.
Israelis were lions led by lions back then.

On paper, Arabs had - at least until 1967 the upper hand in quality (mostly) and from the sheer sizes extremely in quantity, they were just weaker just the Jews.

Back to Hezbollah.

Hezbollah = learned from their mistakes in the 80s and 90s.
In the mid to late 90s they had a equal K/D ratio like IDF AND SLA, sometimes even better.
Before that, they had 3-5+ deaths for every Israeli soldier.

Israel in 2006 had EX PILOTS leading tank coys.
The Israelis were arrogant and lazy and that conflict happened to the worst period for them.

The tank losses weren't that high, especially you look WHICH tanks were hit, which were destroyed or damaged beyond repair.
IDF used tanks:
Standard (!) Merkava Mk II (reserve units)
Merkava Mk IID (Still a crime to the own tankists)
Merkava Mk IIIBaz (All Merkava MK III should have been upgraded to Dor-Dalet standard which was - more or less a prototype/test run for Mk IV but because the Jews had back then so many Mk III it would have been useful.).
Merkava Mk IV

Funny thing - the first tank which got (really) destroyed was a Merkava MK IV, by a extremly strong IED on a choke point, when the intial-phase of this conflict was and the Jews didn't understood what happens.

52 tanks were hit by enemy fire (encompassing anything from ATGMs, RPGs, IEDs, etc)
21 of those tanks hit received enough damage to be pulled out of combat (19 resulting from an ATGM hit and 2 from IEDs)
5 of those tanks were deemed irrecoverable losses
(2 Merkavas MkII, 1 Merkava MkIII, 2 Merkavas MkIV).
One of the destroyed MkII and one of the destroyed MkIV were hit by IEDs, the rest were lost due to ATGM fire.
23 Israeli tankers died during the War (18 by ATGM fire, 5 by IEDs)

1 Helicopter shot down, 3 more lost in accidents.
Only INS Hanit (Sa'ar 5 Class Corvette) was damaged, not destroyed - by a C-802 (which is export version of YJ-83).

IDF losses 121
Hezbollah (as good prepared defender) minimum 250 other sources 500 and Israeli sources say ~ 700.

 

[Trango Towers]

Well, that's a generalization.

Hezbollah has done excellently for the circumstances under which it has struggled.

However, Hezbollah had prepared itself MUCH better than the decadent and safe feeling (their state as a whole isn't really in danger anymore) Israelis.

Hezbollah excels as light infantry.

The Soviet supported Arab armies were quite useless against the "child-murdering Zionists". Jews were just the better soldiers.
They (Jews) had - back in the day fighting spirit and ONE lost war = end of Israel, so they fought tough and bravely.
Don't get me wrong, the US / British equipped Jordanians who were trained by the British fought well.
Same applies for some Egyptian and Syrian units.
But Arab armies are weak because of political intrugies and jealously between "officers".
Lions led by donkeys you could say.
Israelis were lions led by lions back then.

On paper, Arabs had - at least until 1967 the upper hand in quality (mostly) and from the sheer sizes extremely in quantity, they were just weaker just the Jews.

Back to Hezbollah.

Hezbollah = learned from their mistakes in the 80s and 90s.
In the mid to late 90s they had a equal K/D ratio like IDF AND SLA, sometimes even better.
Before that, they had 3-5+ deaths for every Israeli soldier.

Israel in 2006 had EX PILOTS leading tank coys.
The Israelis were arrogant and lazy and that conflict happened to the worst period for them.

The tank losses weren't that high, especially you look WHICH tanks were hit, which were destroyed or damaged beyond repair.
IDF used tanks:
Standard (!) Merkava Mk II (reserve units)
Merkava Mk IID (Still a crime to the own tankists)
Merkava Mk IIIBaz (All Merkava MK III should have been upgraded to Dor-Dalet standard which was - more or less a prototype/test run for Mk IV but because the Jews had back then so many Mk III it would have been useful.).
Merkava Mk IV

Funny thing - the first tank which got (really) destroyed was a Merkava MK IV, by a extremly strong IED on a choke point, when the intial-phase of this conflict was and the Jews didn't understood what happens.

52 tanks were hit by enemy fire (encompassing anything from ATGMs, RPGs, IEDs, etc)
21 of those tanks hit received enough damage to be pulled out of combat (19 resulting from an ATGM hit and 2 from IEDs)
5 of those tanks were deemed irrecoverable losses
(2 Merkavas MkII, 1 Merkava MkIII, 2 Merkavas MkIV).
One of the destroyed MkII and one of the destroyed MkIV were hit by IEDs, the rest were lost due to ATGM fire.
23 Israeli tankers died during the War (18 by ATGM fire, 5 by IEDs)

1 Helicopter shot down, 3 more lost in accidents.
Only INS Hanit (Sa'ar 5 Class Corvette) was damaged, not destroyed - by a C-802 (which is export version of YJ-83).

IDF losses 121
Hezbollah (as good prepared defender) minimum 250 other sources 500 and Israeli sources say ~ 700.

Well written

 

[Foinikas]

Well, that's a generalization.

Hezbollah has done excellently for the circumstances under which it has struggled.

However, Hezbollah had prepared itself MUCH better than the decadent and safe feeling (their state as a whole isn't really in danger anymore) Israelis.

Hezbollah excels as light infantry.

The Soviet supported Arab armies were quite useless against the "child-murdering Zionists". Jews were just the better soldiers.
They (Jews) had - back in the day fighting spirit and ONE lost war = end of Israel, so they fought tough and bravely.
Don't get me wrong, the US / British equipped Jordanians who were trained by the British fought well.
Same applies for some Egyptian and Syrian units.
But Arab armies are weak because of political intrugies and jealously between "officers".
Lions led by donkeys you could say.
Israelis were lions led by lions back then.

On paper, Arabs had - at least until 1967 the upper hand in quality (mostly) and from the sheer sizes extremely in quantity, they were just weaker just the Jews.

Back to Hezbollah.

Hezbollah = learned from their mistakes in the 80s and 90s.
In the mid to late 90s they had a equal K/D ratio like IDF AND SLA, sometimes even better.
Before that, they had 3-5+ deaths for every Israeli soldier.

Israel in 2006 had EX PILOTS leading tank coys.
The Israelis were arrogant and lazy and that conflict happened to the worst period for them.

The tank losses weren't that high, especially you look WHICH tanks were hit, which were destroyed or damaged beyond repair.
IDF used tanks:
Standard (!) Merkava Mk II (reserve units)
Merkava Mk IID (Still a crime to the own tankists)
Merkava Mk IIIBaz (All Merkava MK III should have been upgraded to Dor-Dalet standard which was - more or less a prototype/test run for Mk IV but because the Jews had back then so many Mk III it would have been useful.).
Merkava Mk IV

Funny thing - the first tank which got (really) destroyed was a Merkava MK IV, by a extremly strong IED on a choke point, when the intial-phase of this conflict was and the Jews didn't understood what happens.

52 tanks were hit by enemy fire (encompassing anything from ATGMs, RPGs, IEDs, etc)
21 of those tanks hit received enough damage to be pulled out of combat (19 resulting from an ATGM hit and 2 from IEDs)
5 of those tanks were deemed irrecoverable losses
(2 Merkavas MkII, 1 Merkava MkIII, 2 Merkavas MkIV).
One of the destroyed MkII and one of the destroyed MkIV were hit by IEDs, the rest were lost due to ATGM fire.
23 Israeli tankers died during the War (18 by ATGM fire, 5 by IEDs)

1 Helicopter shot down, 3 more lost in accidents.
Only INS Hanit (Sa'ar 5 Class Corvette) was damaged, not destroyed - by a C-802 (which is export version of YJ-83).

IDF losses 121
Hezbollah (as good prepared defender) minimum 250 other sources 500 and Israeli sources say ~ 700.

Great post. Well done man.

 

[MMM-E]

Hezbollah has done excellently for the circumstances under which it has struggled.

However, Hezbollah had prepared itself MUCH better than the decadent and safe feeling (their state as a whole isn't really in danger anymore) Israelis.

Hezbollah excels as light infantry.

52 tanks were hit by enemy fire (encompassing anything from ATGMs, RPGs, IEDs, etc)

Israel made a mistake to use Army ( Tanks and Troops )
but Turkish Armed Forces did not make this mistake against SAA+IRGC+HEZBOLAH in Idlib/Syria


Turkish Armed Forces used UCAVs to kill 3.322 SAA+IRGC+HEZBOLAH militias including 6 generals in 4 days and game over !

also Turkish UCAVs destroyed

8 Air Defense Systems
155 Tanks
51 Howitzers
52 MLRS
29 AFVs
68 Military Vehicles
15 Anti Tank Weapons
36 Pick-up mounted anti aircraft guns
49 Ammunition Trucks
10 Ammunition Storage
2 Missile Systems

 

[retaxis]

militias including 6 generals in 4 days and game over

So Assad doesn't control 90% of the country and FSA won?

So LNA doesn't control all oil fields and majority of country the GNA does?

 

[reflecthofgeismar]

Israel made a mistake to use Army ( Tanks and Troops )
but Turkish Armed Forces did not make this mistake against SAA+IRGC+HEZBOLAH in Idlib/Syria

Hello MMM-E.
It depends on WHAT exactly you want.
Drones ONLY will not achieve the victory, when wanna gain and hold the ground, it's like Americans/Western Allies in Normandy 44' as example.
Sure, Americans and Israelis did use drones before, vs special targets and smaller amounts of enemies.
Never against bigger formations like Turks did.
Is a bit like the usage of cannons. Ottomans were not the first who used them but the first who amassed them properly back then.
Lets be honest, Turks as example have with ACV-30 KORKUT and ALKA good stuff against typical drones vs (better) MALE & HALE you need combined AA missiles, own drones with AA caps and/or planes.
A modified Korkut with AA Hisar-A/O missiles - like Serbian PASARS-16 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PASARS-16) can fight well against these type of drones.

"..."

 

[MMM-E]

Sure, Americans and Israelis did use drones before, vs special targets and smaller amounts of enemies.
Never against bigger formations like Turks did.

For first time in the world, Turkey used Drones as primary element in air strikes

Turkey’s extensive deployment of Armed Drones in its fight against Syrian Regime Forces in Idlib province has put forward a "new military doctrine" in the world

Lets be honest, Turks as example have with ACV-30 KORKUT and ALKA good stuff against typical drones vs (better) MALE & HALE you need combined AA missiles, own drones with AA caps and/or planes.

Turkey has developed SUNGUR and HISAR-A/O Air Defense Systems to hit MALE & HALE UCAVs

Turkey may become the first Country in the World to use UCAVs in interceptor role


AKINCI UCAV air to air combat CAPABILITY

AKINCI UCAV to carry AESA Radar with Air to Air Missiles for air defense capability to intercept Aircrafts , Attack Helicopters and UCAVs

25 km BOZDOGAN air to air Missile
65-100 km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile

Turkey was the first Country in the World that used Laser weapon technology to shoot down Chinese UCAV Wing Loong II in Libya

Turkey uses laser weapon technology to shoot down Chinese UAV Wing Loo

Really important news often goes unnoticed. They occur, no one notices them, but the events mentioned in this news often have consequences that later, havi

www.armyrecognition.com

 

[MMM-E]

like Serbian PASARS-16 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PASARS-16) can fight well against these type of drones.

Serbian System can not stop Turkish UCAVs
RLN-1C Missile has range of 12 km


Turkish UCAVs to be armed with 30 km MAM-T laser guided Bomb and 50 km SDM with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets

 

[Foinikas]

 

[Abid123]

Do you think the Israelis will not use nuclear weapons against Turkey if they try to take Israel?

Besides,the Israelis have one of the best Air Forces in the world. And the Americans would not let them get attacked by Turkey.

No nuclear country would use nuclear weapons against a non nuclear weapon state. Simple logic. Why did USA not nuke China in the Korean war? The Chinese ground forces launched a massive against American forces.

Also Israel and Turkey cant try to "take" each others territory. Neither countries have the ability to project power that far.

Pakistan doesn't sell nukes. Pakistan is not a bandit country and will not risk giving nuclear weapons to Turkey.

We stand with our allies. If any country threatens to use nukes againt Turkey, we will provide nukes to Turkey. You have to understand that nuclear weapons are not a joke. Only bandit countries would threaten non nuclear weapons state with nuclear weapons.