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RSS outfit wants Manusmriti reworked

I don't think muslim leaders/politicians passed and implemented the law banning Sati, it came from within liberal Hindus and was more acceptable to Hindus. What is happening now? Its the hardline hindutva leaders who are creating more noise than liberal muslims themselves. So it is natural that Indian muslims will be more defensive about this. Wasn't tinkering with religious sensibilities one of the reason for 1857?


No, I don't and I want it gone irrespective of how prevalent they are but at the same time, I don't like Sanghis loons imposing their will.


Do you think all muslims get reservation? The answer is no. Its certain sections among muslims who get reservation very much like Hindus. So why does BJP make so much noise when the backwards among muslims get reservation. Look at the below instance

Even after High court upheld muslim reservation, BJP govt scraps it. So you see where the rut lies.

Bombay HC stays Maratha quota, upholds Muslim reservation in education

Devendra Fadnavis government scraps quota for Muslims in education


Then the fault is within ur community. Your liberals have let RSS/BJP hijack this issue. You had one chance to solve it in 1986, but your liberals didnt stand up then. Secondly I am not a fan of RSS. But on this issue I support them cos ur "liberal" leaders have failed bigg time.

Your own women's are protesting, Shia board, Bharat Muslim Andolan started the fight. I dont remember RSS going to court to stop this. The SC asked the center to respond to the cases filed by these organisations and individual womens.

Thirdly, all Muslims are covered under reservation. Infact, other than OC, everyone are covered. I dont know if there are OC Muslims (there should be some). But majority of Muslims are already under OBC and SC. If your students are not coming through the system, again the fault is with your community. They chose wrong leaders, wrong imams who are content in seeing Muslims poor to have them as a vote bank. Even if we argue by ur case, majority of Hindus are left wayside by reservations and I have no sympathy for them except the poor ones.

If there are Muslim Maratha then they have reservation. Secondly BJP as a party dont promote religious based reservations. They came to power promising religious based reservation will be abolished. PS: I am not a Maratha reservation fan either, as they form a good majority in MH, but I am not a citizen of that state, and its for the people to decide.
 
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So my question is why do they need to study it? What is it's relevance in today. The below is what the OP states

“We are debating the removal of portions from the Manusmriti, which are anti-Dalit and anti-woman and often quoted in arguments against Hindu scriptures,” he said.
Just like All Historical studies It relevant An Important Source Piece of history And all are free to Study Sources from there point of view

Like Britisher or Post colonial Scholars And Modern Scholars


“There are some references in Manusmriti where some objectionable things have been mentioned. It should be deleted. We do not support them. We have to see Manusmriti in today’s context. We will suggest to the government that they look into this,” said Chand.

So what is it that RSS is trying to suggest to the government? Why does it want to see Manusmriti in today's concept?

ManuSmiriti Contains Wider Range of Scholar Transcript that Contain Ethics ,Politics,Philosophy Social Study

Just Like chanakya Niti ,Arthasastra or Art of war And Many Other Scholar transcript still Considered Inspirational for Social ethical values

Like Hadith in Muslim Society Outdated,biased ,Primitive Transcript But Still Considered Inspirational for Muslims around the World
 
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Manusmriti is a useless irrelevant book

Nobody cares for it

Manu Smriti is the first legal text of human civilization which till date has the ability to guide and direct the society. Maharshi Manu has said that every statement of the Smriti is like a statement of the Vedas.

The Manu Smriti is the religious text of the Satya Yuga. On the persuasion of the Maharashis (sages), the brain child of Brahma, Prajapati Manu created this text.

Smriti which is said to be created in the Satya Yuga, speaks about the genesis of the universe and humans, the four Ashrams (attainments) and the duties assigned to everyone, politics, public administration and the penal code.


The Manvantara (61 eras of God), the universe and dissolution are countless. The supreme God repeats His play all the time. Even the Srimad Geeta says-

YADAA YADAA HI DHARMASYA GLANIR BHAATI BHAARATAHA ||
ABHYUTHAANAM ADHARMASYA TADATMANAM SRIJAMYAHAM ||


O Arjuna! Whenever Dharma (righteousness) shall attenuate and Adharma (evil) shall increase at that time I shall incarnate.

PARITRAANAAYA SAADHUMAAMA VINAASHAA YASHCHA DUCHKRITAM ||
DHARMA SANSTHAPANARTHYAAYA SAMBHAVAAMI YUGE YUGE ||


For the protection of the good, for the annihilation of the wicked and for the re-instatement of righteousness I shall incarnate in every era.
Manu thus instructs that rise in unrighteousness final accrues in final dissolution and the human society is responsible for the same. Manu Smriti speaks the following thing about the attenuation of righteousness.

CHATUSHPATSKALO DHARMAHA SATYAM CHAIVA KRITE YUGE ||
NA ADHARMENAAGAMAHA KASHCHINA MANUSHYANPRATI VARTATE ||




Meaning: All the four legs of Dharma were present during the Krita Yuga. Truth always prevaled at that time. No human acted unrighteous against anyone.

Manu thus says-

ITERESHVAGAMA ADHARMAHA PAADA-SH-STVAROPITA CHAORIKANRITAMAAYAABHI DHARMACHAAPAITI PAADASHAHA || (1/81).


Meaning: Dharma is attenuated by unscrupulously earning wealth and knowledge in all the eras other than Satya Yuga. One leg of righteousness ceases to exist due to bad deeds such as larceny, lying and cheating.



“Brahma’s life is divided in one thousand cycles (Maha Yuga, or the Great Year). Maha Yuga, during which the human race appears and then disappears, has 71 divisions, each made of 14 Manvantara (1000) years.”

Manvantara is Manu’s cycle, the one who gives birth and govern humankind. Each Manvantara has four divisions, four eras or Yuga-s, each presenting a gradual decline of the spiritual values, in favor of a material progress.

A time of “sunrise” precedes each of these Yuga-s, and they end in a period of twilight.

These four cosmic eras, or Yuga-s, whose duration is in “divine” years are: Satya Yuga (1.728.000 human years), Treta Yuga (1.296.000 human years), Dvapara Yuga (864.000 human years), and Kali Yuga (432.000 human years).

The duration of the four Yuga-s is consequently 4.320.000 human years or 12.000 divine years.

ManuSmiriti Contains Wider Range of Scholar Transcript that Contain Ethics ,Politics,Philosophy Social Study

Just Like chanakya Niti ,Arthasastra or Art of war And Many Other Scholar transcript still Considered Inspirational for Social ethical values

Like Hadith in Muslim Society Outdated,biased ,Primitive Transcript But Still Considered Inspirational for Muslims around the World

Manu Smiriti is Dharam Shastra and in Arabic its called as Shariah.
 
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Don't worry mate, my concern is legit. So much burn over an article written by your very own ilk:disagree:.

May be you should ask your grand parents about manusmriti, they will surely know about it/

Its actually the other way round, you don't deserve India, so why not migrate to some lala land where you can create your Hindu rashtra and let India live in peace.
You are the one who is going gaga over nonsense stuff and making out things were none exists.
ask my grandparents , why the hell should I? You are the one who alleged hindus are following manusmriti , onus is on you to prove it not me.

you are so called concerns are nothing but pure crap intended to turn the focus away from issues plaguing your own community. Irony is that this crap talk about manusmriti comes from ppl who defend triple talaq in court. Most of the hindus dont care to give a hoot to religious ppl while your community is used like sheep by the radical mullahs. Better clean your own stables before you throw garbage at others.
 
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So what is it that RSS is trying to suggest to the government? Why does it want to see Manusmriti in today's concept?

Because we dont want "liberal Intellectuals" and Mullahs to deride the faith of 100 million hindus jst because of some passages and use these passages as a shield to prevent reforms in their own community.

We want to say to the Mullahs - yes some passages are bad and we will scrap them. We are very flexible in this. We dont want to be bound by what was said thousands of years ago.

Can you dare to do the same with controversial passages in your text?

The difference between Hindus and Muslims is that Hindus do not follow these laws. The muslim mullahs on the other hand have made more and more conservative interpretation of their own texts and are forcing poor and illiterate to follow these or risk wrath of god in next life or wrath of mullahs in this one. 3 T is just one example. other examples include Ban on singing and music, compulsory hijab etc.
 
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"kursi" ke liye saala kuchh bhi karega....
 
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First all all "Manusmriti" is the very FIRST smriti, not the last or the latest. There has been at least 20 Smriti following it, the last one being Parashara smriti which was written by Veda Vyasa's Father.

However most of the Indian constitutional Law and Judiciary is based on the Yajanavalkya Smriti, so what is the point of rewriting the Manusmriti ore even writing a new smriti ?
 
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First all all "Manusmriti" is the very FIRST smriti, not the last or the latest. There has been at least 20 Smriti following it, the last one being Parashara smriti which was written by Veda Vyasa's Father.

However most of the Indian constitutional Law and Judiciary is based on the Yajanavalkya Smriti, so what is the point of rewriting the Manusmriti ore even writing a new smriti ?


I have read this.

There are eighteen main Smritis or Dharma Sastras. The most important are those of Manu, Yajnavalkya and Parasara. The other fifteen are those of Vishnu, Daksha, Samvarta, Vyasa, Harita, Satatapa, Vasishtha, Yama, Apastamba, Gautama, Devala, Sankha-Likhita, Usana, Atri and Saunaka.

The laws of Manu are intended for the Satya Yuga, those of Yajnavalkya are for the Treta Yuga; those of Sankha and Likhita are for the Dvapara Yuga; and those of Parasara are for the Kali Yuga.

The Sruti and the Smriti are the two authoritative sources of Hinduism. Sruti literally means what is heard, and Smriti means what is remembered. Sruti is revelation and Smriti is tradition. Upanishad is a Sruti. Bhagavad-Gita is a Smriti.

Vedas are the records of Maharishis, who comprehended the truths through their divine power, otherwise called tapas and yoga. Puranas describe penance for several years without food, which are only a description of such divine power. That divine power is revealed to mankind through some sages, who propagate the truths and tenets recorded in the eternal Vedas.

The Dharmashastras laid down the law or rules of conduct regulating the entire gamut of human activity. This necessarily included civil and criminal law.

The earlier works, which laid down the law in the form of sutras, were divided into three classes, viz.Srauta sutras, Grihya sutras and Dharma sutras.

The important Dharma sutras, which were considered as high authority, were of Gautama, Baudhayana, Apastamba, Harita, Vasista and Vishnu.

The eighteen sub-divisions of law, which cover civil as well as criminal law,are the special features of the Manu Smriti.
 
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I have read this.

There are eighteen main Smritis or Dharma Sastras. The most important are those of Manu, Yajnavalkya and Parasara. The other fifteen are those of Vishnu, Daksha, Samvarta, Vyasa, Harita, Satatapa, Vasishtha, Yama, Apastamba, Gautama, Devala, Sankha-Likhita, Usana, Atri and Saunaka.

The laws of Manu are intended for the Satya Yuga, those of Yajnavalkya are for the Treta Yuga; those of Sankha and Likhita are for the Dvapara Yuga; and those of Parasara are for the Kali Yuga.

The Sruti and the Smriti are the two authoritative sources of Hinduism. Sruti literally means what is heard, and Smriti means what is remembered. Sruti is revelation and Smriti is tradition. Upanishad is a Sruti. Bhagavad-Gita is a Smriti.

Vedas are the records of Maharishis, who comprehended the truths through their divine power, otherwise called tapas and yoga. Puranas describe penance for several years without food, which are only a description of such divine power. That divine power is revealed to mankind through some sages, who propagate the truths and tenets recorded in the eternal Vedas.

The Dharmashastras laid down the law or rules of conduct regulating the entire gamut of human activity. This necessarily included civil and criminal law.

The earlier works, which laid down the law in the form of sutras, were divided into three classes, viz.Srauta sutras, Grihya sutras and Dharma sutras.

The important Dharma sutras, which were considered as high authority, were of Gautama, Baudhayana, Apastamba, Harita, Vasista and Vishnu.

The eighteen sub-divisions of law, which cover civil as well as criminal law,are the special features of the Manu Smriti.

Apart from what you have mentioned, there is also Vishwamitra smriti, Laghu Smriti, Brihadyama Smriti, Vriddha Shatatapa Smriti, Bhrigu smriti, Vaikhanas smriti, Utathya smriti, Brihaspati smriti, Kashyapa smriti, Gargya smriti and Pracheta smriti, Kunika smriti and Pushkarsadi smriti, Aupajamghini smriti, Katya smriti, Kashyapa smriti, Prajapati smriti, Maudagalya smriti,
Shankha smriti, Likhit smriti, and Vruddha-Gautam Smriti.

So how many does that make it ?

However the 20 prominent smriti's are,

Manu Smriti, Vyas Smriti, Laghu Vishnu Smriti, Apstamba Smriti, Vashishth Smriti, Parashara Smriti, Brihat-Parashara Smriti, Atri Smriti, Laghu Shankh Smriti, Vishwamitra Smriti, Yama Smriti, Laghu Smriti, Brihadyama Smriti, Vriddha Shatatapa Smriti, Shatatapa Smriti, Laghu Shatatapa Smriti, Vriddha Gautam Smriti, Brihaspati Smriti, Yajnavalkya Smriti, Brihadyogi Yajnavalkya Smriti.


Bhagavad-Gita however is both Shruti AND Smriti. Its a smriti only because it comes under Mahabharat which is Ithihasa.


The various Shruti's are Four Vedas i.e Rigveda, Samaveda, Yajurveda and Athrvaveda with Samhita, Brahmana, Aarnyaka, Upanishads and various Aagmas (including Tantra and Yantra). They are of divine origin and are Author less.


Smriti's is derivative work from the shruti's and is a produced of the intellect of its author or interpreter or divinely inspired like the Ramayana. The various smriti's are Vedang, Upaveda, Upang, Dharma-Sutra and Shastra , 18 Purans, Itihasa i.e Ramayana, Mahabharata (Bhagavad Gita) etc., Commentaries on various Shruti texts by Aacharyas including Brahma Sutra etc. and various scriptures on Darshan Shastra (Sankhya,Yoga, Vaisheshika, Mimamsa, Nyaya etc.)


Dharama Sutra's are derived from the Vedas and in turn the Dharma shastra's are derived from the Dharma sutras.

Apart from the Grihya sutra which talks about common mans duties, there is also Samayacarika sutras which talks about our social responsibilities and relationship with others around us.


Finally Dharma shastra's are not "law or rules of conduct", they are guides to conduct and social order. It only prescribes PENANCE and not Punishment within the social order.

Hindus do not have "Law or Rules" of conduct. The duty to uphold dharma was of the entire society and not only of the Kshatriya. It was a collective responsibility, and power was not vested in a single Authority like the king or the court. The king however had the final say if the matter went up to him.

However for state craft along with law and order, other books were written, like the Artha Shastra which gave details of LAW and RULES of the state.

Its foolish to compare that to a Smriti.


Finally as side note, do not be under the impression that you are "debating" with me. Your know how comes from copy pasting from wikipedia, mine does not.
 
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These guys should Leave the ancient scripture in their original form, we have constitution. Any attempt to corrupt the scriptures will only create more confusions.
Any ancient scripture which is perceived to be preaching bias against one of our own has no relevance today. The greatest strength of our religion is to accept the wrongs, debate and correct the wrong. It just shows that we are bound to a certain centuries old book like some are. We need to work our way to fix the discrimination against some, we need to impart knowledge to our kids from the books that preaches equality, not the ones that divides us. Dharmics has always done that and thats why we are so.different from Abrahamics!! We should maintain the same standards. I know my words with hurt some but all I am doing ia stating the facts.
 
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