Revenge by Pakistani Pashtuns: Private war breaks out on Pak-Afghan border

[Armstrong]

@Nair saab : Aur kaiseiii mizaaag hain huzooor ke ?

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Well let me give my perspective on it - the Pashtuns in the Pak Army/ISI have become desified/Indified....Historically Pathans were never considered a part of the subcontinent..

And who cares about that..? Pakistan isn't India, meaning it's not really exclusive to any geographical region.
Besides, states like Arunachal Pradesh and even Assam, Sikkim etc have not been part of India historically.

 

[Armstrong]

@DRaisinHerald : Dude Biology mein BSc kar ke kiyaa karooo geiii ?

Future plans kiyaa hai ?

 

[DRaisinHerald]

@DRaisinHerald : Dude Biology mein BSc kar ke kiyaa karooo geiii ?

Future plans kiyaa hai ?

I do have plans, but I don't wanna mention them in case 'nazar' etc. comes and haunts me..
Besides, I would probably flop any other degree I try to do. I just had this interest in Biology since high school; it's one of the primary reasons I chose it..

 

[haviZsultan]

Why do you care so much about what others think? Because of such marriages, my IQ and that of my sis is in the 99.9th percentile. I say, we mix more!

I agree. Inter-marriages can be the cure to Pakistan's ethnic problem and has been proposed by his Lordship Zerab... one of our leaders. Also being inbred ruins your gene pool. All researchers say it. Its an old arab thing we adapted anyway which wanted to keep their tribe pure... whatever that means. In this time and age... quite a foolish concept. Backward people like Luffy and gang may still practice it.

It's all quite unfortunate..


Btw, Havisultan must be pissed his thread has been raped by off-topic posts so badly

I have become a grouch. Politics is basically the only thing I know. I swear you don't know me. There are like these reports and all these figures in them I have memorized by heart. For example I can tell you how many ghost schools there are in Pakistan, how many planes we have, PIA's exact losses in year 2011... i have all that memorized. Part of it is a result of being sick. Rest is well... raw nationalism.

People are scared of getting in a debate with me. lol. But I guess being at home for a while and being sick (have an ulcer-some other issues too) has basically got me a little locked up at home. So all I have is my laptop for the whoooooole day.

Otherwise I would very keenly take part in this. I am actually. But you are right... the thread is full of off-topic posts. Armstrong, is spamming allowed or is this a special privilege given to you?

So are you taking her to Waziristan ?

My friend had complains. Orakzai larki thi in Canada... but she like mingled with guys... pretty easy-going family. Nationalists like me. But never had a boyfriend or anything... or i didn't hear of it. She'd look at guys and say he's cute just to stay in the conversation with the other girls and stuff etc... but never like u know have a relationship and stuff. Nice person and upright. Active as a social worker too.

She would get a little angry when someone asked about Orakzai agency... she didn't think of the place too highly I must say though she defended the people there against an outsider... with fellow Pakistanis she would just be very negative and people from big cities love asking questions of tribals (like you @Armstrong) but she would get annoyed. I don't know why. She used to be a little obscure when she answered... like she would rather like to avoid the selected topic.

One day she got angry when I asked too much:

"Man I stayed locked up in a room there for 4 years, no freedom, no nothing and people just kill people for no reason. You like it so much-its all a male-dominated society full of hot-heads... go there shoot guns or something and come back when your brain kicks in again."

She was also the one friend of mine whose family hated the Afghans. I don't know what their history was but they hated them so much their hate could literally melt the snow off the mountains of the Hazarajat.

A friend of her told me that she has worked tirelessly to improve things in Orakzai... make it normal for women to be seen in the main bazaar or something. But she grew frustrated. In many ways she was like me... serving the nationalist cause for ever yet we all know neither the government gives a damn... nor anyone else. We will die in obscurity... but in our nationalism we smile at every difficulty.

That was the story of a Nationalist from FATA and if Luffy or Sher Malang spewed this rubbish there... oh man... you wouldn't like it when she swears. Earlier I heard stories of it... she getting pissed off at some Luffy-like person who came up to her and asked her why she was talking to Punjabis.

But one day at her college I swear to god she was threatening her professor because he messed up her grades or something! I don't know what happened after that but no one dared to raise the topic because she got real angry.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

@Armstrong
What are you doing nowadays?

 

[Sedqal]

Well let me give my perspective on it - the Pashtuns in the Pak Army/ISI have become desified/Indified....Historically Pathans were never considered a part of the subcontinent..the traditional boundaries of the subcontinent atleast - for over a millenia after the fall of the Hindu shahi kings - was the Indus river with the Pathans playing the role of the aggressors and the areas east of Indus (usually the Punjab region) being their raiding grounds with one small exception under the Sikh empire.. Same goes for the Baloch..and as far as the accession/referendum is concerned it was just a sham with the main political party boycotting and even then the referendum going through with a wafer thin majority..So the Pathans in the Army/ISI/bureaucratic setup can be counted upon only having their interests in their mind (which is siding with Pakistan) than with even their own blood.

Also with the loss of East Pakistan, other Pakistanis have become utterly paranoid of anyone even identifying with their ethnicity proudly that those people are denounced as traitors, even though they value their national identity as importantly as their ethnic identity..

And honestly I am baffled how non-pathans like havi can somehow adopt one ethnicity and start lecturing born pathans how they should act. I mean seriously. I can understand that for Mohajirs pakistan is the last resort because they wont be tolerated in India again..but honestly that is not the same for others.

Anyway the only reason I'm even seeing this discussion is because of my principle that a man can have multiple identities like ethnic, linguistic, faith etc and still be a good patriotic citizen, whereas this forum seems to have been filled with a boatload of people who thinks the only identity a pakistani can have is his national indentity (+ his faith) and all others need to be discarded.

That is not the case. Public remembers East Pakistan as a tragedy and common citizen is least bothered or even aware about these issues.

Your perspective is highly biased .

 

[A1Kaid]

Guys, no need to reply to that Indian troll it's not like we welcome his opinion any ways...

 

[Armstrong]

@haviZsultan : Tell your friend a big 'thank you' from me ! She seems like a really nice person & undoubtedly a big asset for Pakistan !

On the 'spamming' bit - Dude, would you rather this d*ck measuring continues on or our enemies teaching us the intricacies of Pakistan because the last 14 or so pages sure haven't been a constructive debate ! I just pop up with my remarks simply to break the ice.

Sorry if I offended you - I'd quit the thread now !

 

[Sedqal]

@luffy, I think Havi writes these long posts because he is a writer and used to writing. In any case I enjoy both yours and Havi's posts. Never thought Pushtoons tribalism would be so complex

 

[Hyperion]

Yeah me also out of here. One ANA foot soldier riled us all up. Ganda bacha Hyperion, for taking the bait!

@haviZsultan : Tell your friend a big 'thank you' from me ! She seems like a really nice person & undoubtedly a big asset for Pakistan !

On the 'spamming' bit - Dude, would you rather this d*ck measuring continues on or our enemies teaching us the intricacies of Pakistan because the last 14 or so pages sure haven't been a constructive debate ! I just pop up with my remarks simply to break the ice.

Sorry if I offended you - I'd quite the thread now !

You haven't seen 1% of it yet!

@luffy, I think Havi writes these long posts because he is a writer and used to writing. In any case I enjoy both yours and Havi's posts. Never thought Pushtoons tribalism would be so complex

 

[KS]

And who cares about that..? Pakistan isn't India, meaning it's not really exclusive to any geographical region.
Besides, states like Arunachal Pradesh and even Assam, Sikkim etc have not been part of India historically.

Your statement is not 100% correct..yet my rebutal would take it entirely offtopic. So I would just say Indians from other parts dont get paranoid when NE people take pride in their ethnic identity or we ask them to completely discard that..something you guys are doing on one guy.

That is not the case. Public remembers East Pakistan as a tragedy and common citizen is least bothered or even aware about these issues.

Your perspective is highly biased .

Im an Indian and ofcourse it will be biased or appear biased.

Anyway carry on with the discussion.

 

[Sedqal]

Your statement is not 100% correct..yet my rebutal would take it entirely offtopic. So I would just say Indians from other parts dont get paranoid when NE people take pride in their ethnic identity or we ask them to completely discard that..something you guys are doing on one guy.

India did get paranoid when Punjab asked for autonomy, shenanigans of RSS and other right-wing nutcases is also tolerated because they provide a 1 India narrative. Same reason why Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism is claimed to be Hindu when the same people find it insulting.

No one is ganging up on anyone, Luffy is a treasured member of PDF whose input is highly appreciated.

[I don't deny that Pakistan has not tried the same with its own religious nuts]

 

[haviZsultan]

@haviZsultan
Some one has told me you are descendant of adam khan and durkhanai? How do you feel about it?
By the way i have reported you for saying that heera mundi is filled with Afghan women. I am not sure whether pakistani mods here take action against degrading remarks about afghans, buts its my moral obligation to report you.

Luffy... I have a strong fear that your inability to use your mind can seriously result in major issues in life in the future and impair your ability to make decisions. Your wife tells you to bring roti you bring dal, she tells you to bring her a cup of tea and you bring a glass of water. She will divorce you in moments

This is what I said Luffy. Read carefully:

You should feel ashamed. But the only time you feel ashamed is when someone talks about Afghanistan or Afghan (Afghanistan) women... your sense of honor which in your allies-the taliban often results in beheading innocent people hitting the roof. A lot of women at heera mandi, according to documentary maker Asif who I happen to know were Afghans (Nation) who happen to make up heera mandi which your fellow Afghans never seem to mention when they are insulting Punjabi women and lar Pashtun women for loss of nang and morals, including referring to Peshawar heartland of Pashtuns as heera mandi culture. You can find the thread... the poster was shadowgovernor and kalewal's old ID. Its obvious as daylight that their hate includes lar Pashtuns... but you are blind. They didn't just insult Jinnah... they continuously attacked our way of speaking Pashto, Urdu being mixed with it (despite being the Farsi-zabaan monkeys they are) they attacked our customs and way of life. If we were loyal to Pakistan... it was worse.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/afghan...s-out-pak-afghan-border-12.html#ixzz2GOBlDZlu

Don't put words in my mouth. Those were the words of a friend who is an expert on the matter and knows the treacherous caverns and political/criminal influences that play a part in the running of heera mandi. He has also stated that a lot of these Afghan girls are 12-20 years old and have been kidnapped or sold. It is a very much debatable topic related to this.

I should have expected that you would ignore the rest of the message. You are a hypocrite and you deserve a smacking from your parents which has made you like you are right now.

@haviZsultan : If you did say that then yaraa aisaaa nahin kehnaa chahiyee thaaa !

He said it and you believed it. Read the above. Man do you know what those guys say on the other forum. Its exactly stuff like that and never once he raised a finger. The mullah lot there once said Peshawar was heera mandi inspired and had Punjabi/Hindko culture and was the most corrupt of all Pashtun cities. That is the heart of Pashtun culture they are talking about.

This guy is a complete hypocrite.

 

[haviZsultan]

@haviZsultan : Tell your friend a big 'thank you' from me ! She seems like a really nice person & undoubtedly a big asset for Pakistan !

On the 'spamming' bit - Dude, would you rather this d*ck measuring continues on or our enemies teaching us the intricacies of Pakistan because the last 14 or so pages sure haven't been a constructive debate ! I just pop up with my remarks simply to break the ice.

Sorry if I offended you - I'd quit the thread now !

I am not in proper contact... though she has sniffed me out through my twitter account. I lost contact with 90% of the people I knew. I breathe a little hard and stuff... some issues with stomach pains too. Don't want the troops to see the leader in a greatly attenuated position. I was the head of the Canada chapter... old day, eh. Will miss em.

Yaar, armstrong yaar... tu offense ley gaya... yaar don't man. Its perfectly okay. This lightens up the mood... though perhaps it must be fun reading some of my posts about Luffy and the videos i posted. Maybe I'm an idiot to laugh at my own joke but I laughed a lot when I saw that batman and spiderman video and turned the two kids into Sher Malang and Luffy in my mind.

I'm all for fun and games man. But politics is an intrinsic part of me... nothing can pull me from it, it comes up everywhere-people usually try to make every effort to avoid it around me. I apologize. @Armstrong you have really helped because with Luffy I would have lost my head.

The thing is i am a moron. I can't bear to see a bigot. I can't see something wrong... I hate corruption, I never break the law (did in the past-yes), and I can't see poverty. You don't know much about me I guess. I have to change something if it is wrong. I have to. I can't sit and do nothing. Back in Canada i started this little graphic design business. Sent everything to a school in Karachi. I want more than anything for Luffy to understand... but in this regard I am a failure. Can do nothing.

@Hyperion's connections to the ISI he'll know they will never hire me. They pay so many bribes you would go crazy just thinking about it. Also u can never feel sympathy. People are a tool to be used and discarded but agencies are usually cold bastards. We nationalists have members too @Hyperion.