Reality of Kargill....

[cloud4000]

A successful military operation but turned into debacle because of cowardliness of Nawaz Sharief.

A successful tactical operation, but ultimately a strategic failure. Blame the civilians and praise the military all you want, but call it for what it really is.

Nevertheless, for the longest time Pakistan denied it was its soldiers on Kargil, but Kashmir Mujahadein. Coincidentally, Musharraf was in charge and this is the narrative he continued to push, if anything, to protect his hide.

 

[Taha Samad]

A successful military operation but turned into debacle because of cowardliness of Nawaz Sharief.

What do you think Govt. at the time could do that would have Kagril a success? Diplomatically it could have become indifferent to external pressure, but that was only possible if Army could guranteed success without any further escalation. And how do you guarantee success against an un-hindered / un-countered assault from a powerful enemy on its home turf without further escalation?

So it was conundrum: You can not win Kargil if you don't escalate; but you can not escalate cause you won't win.

 

[Maarkhoor]

What do you think Govt. at the time could do that would have Kagril a success? Diplomatically it could have become indifferent to external pressure, but that was only possible if Army could guranteed success without any further escalation. And how do you guarantee success against an un-hindered / un-countered assault from a powerful enemy on its home turf without further escalation?

So it was conundrum: You can not win Kargil if you don't escalate; but you can not escalate cause you won't win.

What India did when the capture Siachin.....Kargil is also a disputed territory we just need to convey they world at that time we captured disputed territory just like India did. But N.S find his legs jelly and surrendered in front of Clinton and announced unconditional ceasefire without consulting military.

 

[I.R.A]

What do you think Govt. at the time could do that would have Kagril a success? Diplomatically it could have become indifferent to external pressure, but that was only possible if Army could guranteed success without any further escalation. And how do you guarantee success against an un-hindered / un-countered assault from a powerful enemy on its home turf without further escalation?

So it was conundrum: You can not win Kargil if you don't escalate; but you can not escalate cause you won't win.

I am not familiar with military strategies, but if it was me, the civilian involved in decision making (basically NS), I won't permit this op to be conducted in isolation. It should have been coupled with other covert ops.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

This is the reality. .

 

[Areesh]

This is the reality. .

K.

 

[ALi Rizwan]

This is the reality. .

Sir please don't post thing which show your idiocy level.

i will not open this video because its old crap.

I will give you a hint its not what he conclude but what he confirm.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Sir please don't post thing which show your idiocy level.

i will not open this video because its old crap.

I will give you a hint its not what he conclude but what he confirm.

Kargil is 20years old event but still people are opening threads on it.
Idiots are those who are not confirming the statements of commanding officers of that events.
But here normal Pakistanis are still searching excuses to save pride of their "jawans" .

 

[Armchair]

Kargil was a fatal mistake at the decision making level. As the PAF officer who wrote about it pointed out - too many yes-men, no one to question fantastic and unrealistic plans.

So the plot goes "we will send in the military pretending to be militants and take a giant and strategic portion of Kashmir, cutting of Siachin supply lines. Then India will come to the negotiating table".

That's literally how childish and stupid the plan was.

It was obvious India would come at you with everything. In this case with 40,000 soldiers. And what did the PA do? Back out, run away, abandon its soldiers in the front lines.

If it was up to me - I'd say Pakistan should have planned for a full scale conventional war, as you plan for the worst case scenario not rosy pictures painted by your yes-men.

This means the following steps should have been taken:

1. Get everyone on board from the PAF to the politicians, to the foreign office to media.
2. Spend serious money upgrading and improving the armed services particularly PAF, leading up to the war.
3. After the initial infiltration success, push in regular PA units in large numbers to hold the ground.
4. Prepare for an all out war across all sectors and along the full length of the country.

Once Kargil was fully secure and Siachin was starved to death, and 2 weeks of kicking and punching on a full scale war was done with, both sides would be exhausted. After that, sue for peace based on the new realities on the ground.

Never take half measures and fight like a coward. Either don't fight or go all guns blazing. There is no passive-aggressive form of warfare that is successful outside the bedroom.

 

[Taha Samad]

What India did when the capture Siachin.....Kargil is also a disputed territory we just need to convey they world at that time we captured disputed territory just like India did. But N.S find his legs jelly and surrendered in front of Clinton and announced unconditional ceasefire without consulting military.

1. Indian Army captured Siachen. Owned its action. Then held on to the captured area irrespective what Pakistan Army was able to throw at it. Was not worried about things escalating primarily owing to its bigger size.
2. Pakistan Army captured Kargil. Disowned its action. Was starting to lose captured area mainly because it had earlier disowned its men, so it itself and its sister services could not fully support its troops on ground. Additionally, did not want to things to escalate out of control because it was not the best time to fight a war due to sanctions.

So that's why I say Kargil may have been a good tactical plan. But it was improperly executed at an improper time. At an appropriate time with appropriate strategy for all arenas(diplomatic, economic); we may have pulled it off.

Kargil was a fatal mistake at the decision making level. As the PAF officer who wrote about it pointed out - too many yes-men, no one to question fantastic and unrealistic plans.

So the plot goes "we will send in the military pretending to be militants and take a giant and strategic portion of Kashmir, cutting of Siachin supply lines. Then India will come to the negotiating table".

That's literally how childish and stupid the plan was.

It was obvious India would come at you with everything. In this case with 40,000 soldiers. And what did the PA do? Back out, run away, abandon its soldiers in the front lines.

If it was up to me - I'd say Pakistan should have planned for a full scale conventional war, as you plan for the worst case scenario not rosy pictures painted by your yes-men.

This means the following steps should have been taken:

1. Get everyone on board from the PAF to the politicians, to the foreign office to media.
2. Spend serious money upgrading and improving the armed services particularly PAF, leading up to the war.
3. After the initial infiltration success, push in regular PA units in large numbers to hold the ground.
4. Prepare for an all out war across all sectors and along the full length of the country.

Once Kargil was fully secure and Siachin was starved to death, and 2 weeks of kicking and punching on a full scale war was done with, both sides would be exhausted. After that, sue for peace based on the new realities on the ground.

Never take half measures and fight like a coward. Either don't fight or go all guns blazing. There is no passive-aggressive form of warfare that is successful outside the bedroom.

Could not agree more!

 

[Sully3]

Indians were caught with their pants down and ran to their papa America who used political pressure against Nawaz who crumbled at the first instance of displeasure by Clinton.

Indians knew they had been beaten and were facing growing voices in india that the army had lost such strategic points of kashmir.

The real issue for Pakistan came in the cease fire that America backed, Pakistanis were promised that they should recall their soldiers from the areas they had taken over and the would be promised a safe passage back to Pakistan. As usual India the land of snake charmers lied and bombed the pakistani soldiers as they were retreating under cease fire to go back to Pak and hence why you see all this indian propaganda videos of dead bodies of pak soldier after Indians had promised a safe passage back.

things to learn from this:
1) Never trust an indians word, especially after they have taken a beating. they promised a safe passage back PA but bombed everyone as retaliation for getting their pants pulled down in the first place. They removed all their dead bodies and after the cease fire killed our soldiers and filmed it as some kind of victory. even though it was a war crime.

2) once you start a job you should finish it, we had their strategic parts of Kashmir under control but a weak civilian government couldnt handle the pressure from Washington. India had lost kashmir their only card was to cry to Washington and Moscow. they coldnt touch our soldiers till they promised a safe passage back under a cease fire, which they lied about and killed soldiers returning back to Azad Kashmir.

 

[ALi Rizwan]

Kargil is 20years old event but still people are opening threads on it.
Idiots are those who are not confirming the statements of commanding officers of that events.
But here normal Pakistanis are still searching excuses to save pride of their "jawans" .

Commanding officer who served under him even after kargil and when not promoted started bashing him.

let me educate you the whole interview purpose was too defend nawaz and blame Musharraf for everything which he failed.
His Conclusion 100% Musharraf fault while defending nawaz
in interview
1> he confirm Nawaz was Aware
2> Nawaz give go a head(Approval)
3> Blame Musharraf for not informing nawaz about international political blowback.(According to him its Army Chief Job and not his cabinet Secondly ISI was at that run by Nawaz Pet(Ziauddin))

 

[Sully3]

A successful tactical operation, but ultimately a strategic failure. Blame the civilians and praise the military all you want, but call it for what it really is.

Nevertheless, for the longest time Pakistan denied it was its soldiers on Kargil, but Kashmir Mujahadein. Coincidentally, Musharraf was in charge and this is the narrative he continued to push, if anything, to protect his hide.

indians ran to Washington to save themselves the embarrassment of loosing so many strategic points. USA and India guaranteed a cease fire as long as Pak withdrew its troops back to Azad kashmir, as usual india the land of snake charmers lied and to save embarrassment bombed the hell out of all the troops returning back under seize fire. it was a war crime by India who couldnt touch Pak soldiers till they were retreating back under seize fire.

Pakistan should have finished what it started and stayed on in these strategic locations but the civil goverment got scared from USA and that lead to cease fire. if not for clinton i have no doubt you Indians would have ben dragging your PM from PM house for loosing kashmir.

 

[BHarwana]

A successful military operation but turned into debacle because of cowardliness of Nawaz Sharief.

The video was not about Kargil only but the interview touched many issues and considering Musharaf being bias lets leave the top allegations aside and look at the general view it shows India always seeks US help when it comes in the claws of Pakistan.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

indians ran to Washington to save themselves the embarrassment of loosing so many strategic points. USA and India guaranteed a cease fire as long as Pak withdrew its troops back to Azad kashmir, as usual india the land of snake charmers lied and to save embarrassment bombed the hell out of all the troops returning back under seize fire. it was a war crime by India who couldnt touch Pak soldiers till they were retreating back under seize fire.

Pakistan should have finished what it started and stayed on in these strategic locations but the civil goverment got scared from USA and that lead to cease fire. if not for clinton i have no doubt you Indians would have ben dragging your PM from PM house for loosing kashmir.

Lol. What a brainwashed kid you are.
How old you were on the time of Kargil?