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Ray Dalio says China is winning the economic race against the US, China would likely become "stronger in most ways."as the billionaire investor doubles down on controversial stance

Harry Robertson
Dec. 10, 2021, 08:33 AM

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Ray Dalio founded the hedge fund Bridgewater Associates.
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  • Billionaire investor Ray Dalio has said China is winning the economic race against the US.
  • The hedge fund titan told the BBC that China would likely become "stronger in most ways."
  • Dalio has caused controversy for his remarks on China, drawing criticism from Senator Mitt Romney.
Billionaire investor Ray Dalio has said China is winning the economic competition against the US, doubling down on his controversial stance on the country.

Asked on the BBC's "Newsnight" program Thursday whether China was beating the US, Dalio said: "Yes, it's winning."

He added: "Their growth rate at a slow level is about twice the Western world's growth rate at a fast level."

The hedge fund titan also predicted the Chinese economy would overtake the US in size to become much more powerful.


"[China is] four times the size population-wise [than] the United States," he told the BBC. "So if its per capita income was half the size, the [economy] as a whole would be twice the size.

"So yes, that's the character of the environment where it's winning and it has a lot more likelihood of being much larger, stronger in most ways."

Dalio founded, and is now the chief investment officer of Bridgewater Associates, the biggest hedge fund in the world. His net worth is $20 billion, according to Forbes.

The famous investor has waded into controversy over China, with critics accusing him of ignoring the human rights issues in a country in which he has significant financial interests. The Wall Street Journal has reported that Dalio recently raised $1.3 billion for its third China fund.

Dalio found himself in the spotlight last month after likening Beijing to strict parents, when asked by CNBC's Andrew Ross Sorkin about the country's human rights record and the disappearance from public view of tennis player Peng Shuai.

Senator Mitt Romney said Dalio's "feigned ignorance of China's horrific abuses and rationalization of complicit investments… is a sad moral lapse."

Dalio later said he was misunderstood and that he took China's human rights record into account when investing there.

China's economy has grown almost 10% a year on average since Beijing carried out major reforms in the late 1970s, lifting more than 800 million people out of poverty, according to the World Bank.

China's gross domestic product in dollar terms is around $14.7 trillion, whereas that of the US is $20.9 trillion, World Bank data shows.

Yet there are clouds on the horizon, with highly indebted property developer Evergrande teetering on the edge of default and a falling working-age population.

Dalio told the BBC that he believes the collapse of Evergrande is being dealt with in a "healthy" way and that it will be good for the Chinese economy for the government to curb property speculation.

 
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We don’t need Ray Dalio to tell that China is winning. Anyone with half a brain can tell you that. If anything Dalio underestimates China’s capabilities and overestimates American capabilities.
 
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$12,000 per capita

US is over $60,000

so after 40 years of development you have reached a GDP per capita of 5 x times less than US

I guess that is a achievement for China but still decades if not century away from Western world

actually at that rate China may never reach Western standard

Then US can relax and don't be so insecure to China 😉
 
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$12,000 per capita

US is over $60,000

so after 40 years of development you have reached a GDP per capita of 5 x times less than US

I guess that is a achievement for China but still decades if not century away from Western world

actually at that rate China may never reach Western standard

If the dollar system collapses, 60000 dollars will become 60000 Venezuelan&Zimbabwean currencies.
If global inflation continues like Venezuela&Zimbabwe, how long can the dollar system last?
 
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If the dollar system collapses, 60000 dollars will become 60000 Venezuelan&Zimbabwean currencies.
If global inflation continues like Venezuela&Zimbabwe, how long can the dollar system last?

if dollar collapses yes big part of that is "if"

if revolution comes to China again millions will die again and China will go back 200 years

this is more likely to happen as it keeps happening to China for last 5,000 years which is why China is alway playing catch up
 
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If the dollar system collapses, 60000 dollars will become 60000 Venezuelan&Zimbabwean currencies.
If global inflation continues like Venezuela&Zimbabwe, how long can the dollar system last?

With current trends happening, that black hole 'BUBBLE' will burst in the end of this decade or next decade
 
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if dollar collapses yes big part of that is "if"

if revolution comes to China again millions will die again and China will go back 200 years

this is more likely to happen as it keeps happening to China for last 5,000 years which is why China is alway playing catch up

Big if? What is the CPI of USA?
If the Chinese govt decides to block the national ports for one year in order to deal with the covid epidemic, how can USA solve the global inflation caused by $3 trillion?
 
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$12,000 per capita

US is over $60,000

so after 40 years of development you have reached a GDP per capita of 5 x times less than US

I guess that is a achievement for China but still decades if not century away from Western world

actually at that rate China may never reach Western standard
The US is not the Western world. The Western world's GDP per capita is $40,000, not $60,000. And the US doesn't need a Zimbabwean style currency collapse to revert to the mean, just a decline of around a third. Second, China's per capita GDP is $12,000 is nominal terms and its currency is kept artificially low for strategic reasons. China's real per capita GDP is close to $20,000.

That's also not saying nothing of the useless activities and waste that goes on in Western societies that counts toward their GDP. What work did a lawyer ever do to merit even a dollar?
 
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The US is not the Western world. The Western world's GDP per capita is $40,000, not $60,000. And the US doesn't need a Zimbabwean style currency collapse to revert to the mean, just a decline of around a third. Second, China's per capita GDP is $12,000 is nominal terms and its currency is kept artificially low for strategic reasons. China's real per capita GDP is close to $20,000.

That's also not saying nothing of the useless activities and waste that goes on in Western societies that counts toward their GDP. What work did a lawyer ever do to merit even a dollar?


The US basically a third world country
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Their doesn't make sense dollar value is a bubble waiting to burst
 
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$12,000 per capita

US is over $60,000

so after 40 years of development you have reached a GDP per capita of 5 x times less than US

I guess that is a achievement for China but still decades if not century away from Western world

actually at that rate China may never reach Western standard
China’s gdp per capita is kept artificially low because of the exchange rate. This will change as the digital yuan rolls out and they unpeg from the dollar. The US’s gdp is inflated because all kinds of fluff like Wall Street derivatives are counted which don’t really contribute much to the real economy.

China has the worlds largest industrial base and largest consumer market for almost all types of goods. It’s actually far larger than the nominal figure suggests. I’d say it’s actual gdp is probably closer to $28 trillion similar to its PPP.
 
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