Question about Ottoman rule in Eastern Europe

[Sargon of Akkad]

Sargon I am nominally and by unproven sources partly a pashtun though more of a muhajir because we can't prove our pashtun links nor a lot of people know about them even in our family. So you aren't only insulting one person but a lot of people. At the end of the day all people are working to better themselves. I have noticed a feeling of superiority among Saudi arabs and this is an impediment towards peace between us. Don't get emotionally carried away. Criticism is good sometimes but our societies paint it as an evil.

I have noted that in societies with less freedoms of expression and other freedoms people tend to be more sensitive towards any form of criticism. Thats how I feel you are behaving. You can always ignore a person you don't like-but better it is to debate with them without losing your cool

I am not going to tolerate insults coming from, objectively speaking, people that have achieved much less than Arabs on every front that I and most other people on the planet can think of. Especially not unmotivated insults or racial insults. This guy has an obsession with Black people that have no historical or genetic relationship to Saudi Arabians, other Arabs or Semites that are native to West Asia, This has been proven by genetic tests. We have our Afro-Arab community which are great btw, but that is about it. This guy looks like a Gypsy and has a dark complexion himself yet he is obsessing about skin color in his 50's and supposedly as a Brit. What does that tell you if not some serious personal problems of some sort?

Why is it that this individual, despite having a very little knowledge about the Arab world (cradle of civilization), is so eager to embarrass himself for all to see by trying to act like a professor and trying to teach us locals about our region?

How many Pashtuns are there? 40-50 million? There are over 10 times as many Arabs so why is it that I should accept his insults (that he began) and not reply in kind? As you see after telling him a few truths it seems that he has calmed down. You see, it works!

Your land is terrorist havens? Without them Arabs defending you you'd still be under communist control.

And without Arabs allowing his cousins to work as taxi drivers and laborers in the GCC (which he even has the audacity to complain about as if we owe his people anything, lol) he would be starving or going to India looking for work because the West are closing their borders. Or his former masters the Soviets where he would be beaten to death by Russian Neo-Nazis and taken as a Gypsy.

Or drowning in the Mediterranean trying to cross into Europe or being confined to refugee camps in the Arab world as 100.000's of his likes are currently doing while we speak and pretend to be Arabs, despite not uttering a word of Arabic or even remotely looking like Arabs. You can't imagine the number of Afghans and Pakistanis (mostly Pashtuns) in Western Europe that I have spotted pretending to be Syrian refugees. Comical.

Ungrateful illiterate weaklings. Bacha bazi and heroin addiction should be his main occupation not talking smack in front of Arabs.

There is nothing more to add for my part.

 

[Awan68]

We are extremely proud people and I do admit that most of us have a hot temper but that's not the problem here. The "problem" or rather the comedy is some Pashtun (of all people and moreover a racist despite looking like a Gypsy) migrant in his 50's based in the UK, who by his silly unmotivated insults and false superiority, honestly believes or thinks (I doubt that he really does that because if he does he is more messed up than I thought) that the legacy of his people, accomplishments, achievements etc. are anywhere remotely comparable to that of Arabs.

Even on Stormfront or some White supremacist webpages, where both peoples are hated (those that even know what a Pashtun is as most people in the world have no clue - you go ask Egyptians and 95% of them would never have heard about such a people), they would laugh at such an suggestion. Anywhere for that matter. Even on some Pashtun forum they would admit it.

Ask any people regardless of ethnicity or nationality and they would obviously agree with what I have written. This is the objective truth that is undeniable.

At least if I was discussing with equal opponents (Italians, Persians, Turks, French, Brits etc.) and other imperial people who have had great legacies and shaped the world on numerous fronts at certain time periods and in ancient times as Arabs did etc., I would have taken it more seriously. But his likes? Nah, that's an insult to me and you. Especially if racist, despite looking like a Gypsy himself, and with obsessions and false beliefs of superiority. I know that any neutral reading this discussion would agree with my views. It is even comical for me to discuss this. And believe me I have nothing against his people or even give them a thought (positive nor negative) but notice that I did not begin the insults but I am for sure not going to tolerate some Pashtun of all people to insult our great and undeniable legacy on numerous fronts.

In short big words from a person belonging to a people that my people conquered and influenced heavily. Changes that are still felt almost 1400 years later. Imagine a Nigerian being racist and having a superiority complex against a Brit? Everyone should get the drift by now.

Idiot islam of arabia was not meant to conquer people, it was meant to spread islam n Allahs word to humanity, how dare u insult the arab muslims of old by assosiating words like conquest with them, after a man becomes a muslim there is no nationality, they are bretherin of a single body and dont cry about arab glories of the past, that era is long gone, Allah gave the helm to ottomans and now He has given the spear of leadership to pakistan, live with it, u people n ur saudi family is an insult to islam, u r israel's bitch, we pakistani's are the only ones protecting n fighting for the word of Allah now, u arabs have shamed urselves and get this im a pakistani of arab descent n im a sunni n im not pro iran...

 

[الأعرابي]

Go free the Palestinians who are getting busted by the Jews everyday - tough guy.

Got no issues with the Jews.

 

[Awan68]

what's new. another thread anxious to re-write history of conversion by sword.

Is that why there are still 1 biilion hindus in india even after a 1000 yrs of muslim rule???, shove ur dellusions mate...

Your land is terrorist havens? Without them Arabs defending you you'd still be under communist control.

People listen to this aristotle, i thought hameed gul, isi n cia broke up the soviet union yet u claim that somehow some arabs aliens ftom pluto did it??, interesting...

Got no issues with the Jews.

Thats because ur an a***le who with his zionist saudi family worshio the illegal entity of israel, u have nothing in common with the arab muslims whose heritage u claim, the arabs of old woukd taught israel some lessons n kicked thier *** ten ways till sunday, while saudi vermin like u have no problem with jews??? n dont pull the arab card here, im sure im more arab than u..

 

[Pakistani E]

Because most Europeans were not sellouts to their faith ,prefering a life in misery than to trade their souls.

Yeah, they instead preferred to take another middle eastern religion and proudly call it their own. Not sell outs there then?

 

[Sargon of Akkad]

ily worshio the illegal entity of israel, u have nothing in common with the arab muslims whose heritage u claim, the arabs of old woukd taught israel some lessons n kicked thier *** ten ways till sunday, while saudi vermin like u have no problem with jews??? n dont pull the arab card here, im sure im more arab than u..

I would prefer an sane and respectful Israeli Jew (over 50% of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews) over some inferiority-ridden racist in his 50's who himself is of a dark complexion and who has admitted being taken for a Gypsy in the UK and anti-Arab clown. What are you going to do about that?

And we can all see your "Arab descent" at display here. Defending the individual who started making unmotivated insults against Arabs and who tried to teach us our very own history by embarrassing himself in the process and being condescending. Just because we are guests here, you think that we will accept unmotivated insults? You are talking to Arabs. One of the most proud people in the world. Everyone knows about this. We don't take such things lightly. Understand this once and for all. On the other hand there are almost 1 million Pashtuns in the Arab world that live many times better in our lands among our people than they would in their ancestral lands in Eastern Afghanistan and Western Pakistan. Not only many of them have been born in Arab lands and despite being unable (currently) to get citizenship like all other foreigners, they identity as Arabs and want to remain more than anything else.

We have welcomed them and allowed them to live in our lands among ourselves when we could have welcomed fellow Arabs instead or other more closely related peoples. We don't owe them anything at all. Absolutely nothing. As in nothing.

So we respect Pashtuns that respect us and any other people for that matter but not his likes. Not my problem if you cannot understand this.

In any case this guy has written many anti-Islam posts in the past so if you think that you are defending some innocent Muslim brother you are wrong. He probably has only contempt for an conservative like you and probably consider you an Arab slave although he won't admit it here openly. So no, we don't want anything to do with him or his likes and the only think that he will receive from an Arab, depending on how big his mouth is, is either a punch straight in the face or a bullet in the head.

 

[Awan68]

Yeah, they instead preferred to take another middle eastern religion and proudly call it their own. Not sell outs there then?

They even think jesus was white with blue eyes n golden hair, lol...

 

[الأعرابي]

People listen to this aristotle, i thought hameed gul, isi n cia broke up the soviet union yet u claim that somehow some arabs aliens ftom pluto did it??, interesting

The Arab fighters that flocked to your lands to defend you back in the 80s are the ones who saved your people from the Soviets.

Thats because ur an a***le who with his zionist saudi family worshio the illegal entity of israel, u have nothing in common with the arab muslims whose heritage u claim, the arabs of old woukd taught israel some lessons n kicked thier *** ten ways till sunday, while saudi vermin like u have no problem with jews??? n dont pull the arab card here, im sure im more arab than u..

Arab Israelis of Palestinian background live freely and have more rights in Israel than their Palestinian brethrens in Palestine. However I believe in a 2 state solution for the conflict. Meanwhile I'm all for Saudi family + Israel realitions, it'll be beneficial for both countries

 

[AmirPatriot]

Only Sindh in what is now Pakistan was taken by the Arabs and even that was for a very short period. And Persia was not held by Arabs for 500 years.

@AmirPatriot @Arminkh

No no no... I won't get dragged into this. Not when Hasani Al "500 million Arabs" Baghdadi is present.

 

[Pakistani E]

They even think jesus was white with blue eyes n golden hair, lol...

I thought we would have a civil and intellectual discussion about a part of history. I was so wrong, this thread is full of unwanted and shameful display of human arrogance and racism. Sad.

 

[Awan68]

I would prefer an sane and respectful Israeli Jew (over 50% of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews) over some inferiority-ridden racist in his 50's who himself is of a dark complexion and who has admitted being taken for a Gypsy in the UK and anti-Arab clown. What are you going to do about that?

And we can all see your "Arab descent" at display here. Defending the individual who started making unmotivated insults against Arabs and who tried to teach us our very own history by embarrassing himself in the process and being condescending. Just because we are guests here, you think that we will accept unmotivated insults? You are talking to Arabs. One of the most proud people in the world. Everyone knows about this. We don't take such things lightly. Understand this once and for all. On the other hand there are almost 1 million Pashtuns in the Arab world that live many times better in our lands among our people than they would in their ancestral lands in Eastern Afghanistan and Western Pakistan. Not only many of them have been born in Arab lands and despite being unable (currently) to get citizenship like all other foreigners, they identity as Arabs and want to remain more than anything else.

We have welcomed them and allowed them to live in our lands among ourselves when we could have welcomed fellow Arabs instead or other more closely related peoples.

So we respect Pashtuns that respect us and any other people for that matter but not his likes. Not my problem if you cannot understand this.

I belong to the awan clan hence no one can refute my arab heritige, moving on i too am fiercely proud of the muslim arab heritage not arab heritage, get it, u would choose an israeli jew over a muslim pashtoon??, than my friend ur arab heritage is the heriatge of pagans of makkah and abujahils heritage, u cant claim muslim arab heritage with ur mentality, a muslim automatically becomes better for me than any non muslim cause i follow the conceot of one body given by prophet(pbuh), i dont follow the agenda of proudness and thinking others inferior on basis of ethinicity n nationality like abu jahil used to preach, israelis are the single most terrible enemy of islam yet u have no problem with them??, they are burning muslim countries away using thier lapdog usa n yet u have no problem with them?? They are commiting genocide against the muslims palestine n yet u have no problem with them??, u call open enemies of Allah n islam sane and than have the audacity to claim muslim arab heritage??, the only arab heritage the likes of u represent is that of the pre islam era and that my friend is a totally disgraceful heritagr, u dont represent the muslim heritage of arabia, it was not the arabs that were great, it wasvislam that was great, shove ur nationalism , most of the family of the prophet(pbuh) due to whom arabia vecome great migrated to india and other far lands to escape execution by ummayad arabs...

 

[YeBeWarned]

@Sargon of Akkad avoid insulting a Country or ethnicity .. you are a hot-head, but mind your language here cause there are people who will love to insult your ancestors here for Free ..
@The Eagle @waz @WebMaster please have a look at his language ..

 

[Awan68]

I thought we would have a civil and intellectual discussion about a part of history. I was so wrong, this thread is full of unwanted and shameful display of human arrogance and racism. Sad.

O bhai i wasnt bieng rascist, i was merely showing europeon dellusions, esa(as) of nazareth was from the middleeast wherr people are generally not blonde nor do they have blue eyes yet in every european depiction of jesus we see a blue eyed blonde ma...

 

[Pakistani E]

O bhai i wasnt bieng rascist, i was merely showing europeon dellusions, esa(as) of nazareth was from the middleeast wherr people are generally not blonde nor do they have blue eyes yet in every european depiction of jesus we see a blue eyed blonde ma...

Not you brother, the others in this thread.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Not when Hasani Al "500 million Arabs" Baghdadi is present.

500 million Arabs all rolled in one. Ha Ha Ha my ribs gonna crack.