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My sister is a lawyer and we discussed this subject intensively, Pakistan laws are somewhat influenced by Brit laws due to the era of British Empire. I've studied blasphemy laws comprehensively.

Going to keep the response concise, logical and not staple sacred scriptures.

First and foremost it is appalling rather than condemning such atrocities you are creating alibis which prune the affects of objecting heinous crimes in the name of Faith. There were people recording the incident but not one sheltered, protected or tried preventing the incident - makes me sick to the core.

Secondly, this law is misused to settle personal scores. If your neighbour is a Christian/atheist/hindu/sikh and forgot to return your tub of daal, you do NOT accuse them of 'blasphemy' which endangers their lives and guess what? 70% of it won't be looked into, investigated, but resort to damaging their property by a flock of misguided people - how has this projected Faith and the civilians of the Country? You know it, I know it, majority of us know it that this law (Section 295-C) is used to scare, manipulated and bully non-Muslims. This isn't acceptable and it most certainly isn't a representation of teachings of The Faith.

Thirdly, IF the person has committed the offence, you go through correct and legal procedures provided by the State. I highly recommend that local police authorities do not determine the fate of the case but it is scrutinised by higher authority and courts. The culture of a local police officers divulges (community contacts) and meddles with the case as it can easily be influenced and perverts justice.

Fourthly, if accusations are proved incorrect, then the accuser should be charged for causing inconvenient stress, loss of time and compensate the victim for reputation damage, as well as maintain their distance and withdraw contact. If the victim is harmed then severe actions will be taken. Justice will be served.

Lastly, Pakistan needs to consider 'egg-shell' laws - which covers taking the person as they are, a sane and healthy person's offence shouldn't be weighed the same as a person who is mentally unstable. They don't equate equal.

This should be established to ensure a prosperous, tolerant, educated and Fair law within Pakistan and above all enhances Faith - rather than tarnishing it.

Peace out.

Divergent.
 
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Wait I thought religious threads weren't allowed? why don't you do your bit here too? Or is it one rule for someone else and another rule for someone else?

Mine was discussing the murder linked to Blasphemy Law. This is specifically based on religion.

@Proudpakistaniguy

Why don't you admit that there is a problem with blasphemy laws being misused and that it does require a reformation. It's better to let someone go accidentally than to KILL them accidentally.

I find it strange that we expect mercy and forgiveness from God yet we show no mercy and empathy toward fellow human being. Islam is not as rigid as Pakistani Mullahs made it just to gain full control on gullible public. Was there any Blasphemy law enforced in era of prophet Muhammad(PBUH)? There were many people who committed blasphemy during Prophet(PBUH) era and they were not killed and did became great Sahaba later on. We are all sinner so why don't we punish ourselves first before punishing others for their sins ?

Pakistan is a country where nobody follow any laws except to be the champion of blasphemy laws whom implication and misuses is debatable. The merit of any law should be judged by the result it brings & not the debate or controversy it creates. We will only bring shame for our religion and country by promoting intolerance and bigotry. There is simply no excuse and justification for mob rule. Some people will realize this only when such irrational mob will attack one of their dear ones because they said something which was perceived blasphemy by mobs. If i am real Ashiq e rasool then I will try to follow the Sunnah of prophet Muhammad(PBUH) in my own life and I will not kill others Muslims mere on speculations to prove my love for Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). Look what sort of incident being happening in our country

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Reading all these comments i feel sorry. And we wonder why is Pakistan today so far away from where it was supposed to be.
I wonder what happens to this Islam when these people indulge in other haram activities, such hypocrisy. Apparently corruption, stealing, abusing is not such a big problem. Or even terrorism doesn't concern us.
My sister is a lawyer and we discussed this subject intensively, Pakistan laws are somewhat influenced by Brit laws due to the era of British Empire. I've studied blasphemy laws comprehensively.

Going to keep the response concise, logical and not staple sacred scriptures.

First and foremost it is appalling rather than condemning such atrocities you are creating alibis which prune the affects of objecting heinous crimes in the name of Faith. There were people recording the incident but not one sheltered, protected or tried preventing the incident - makes me sick to the core.

Secondly, this law is misused to settle personal scores. If your neighbour is a Christian/atheist/hindu/sikh and forgot to return your tub of daal, you do NOT accuse them of 'blasphemy' which endangers their lives and guess what? 70% of it won't be looked into, investigated, but resort to damaging their property by a flock of misguided people - how has this projected Faith and the civilians of the Country? You know it, I know it, majority of us know it that this law (Section 295-C) is used to scare, manipulated and bully non-Muslims. This isn't acceptable and it most certainly isn't a representation of teachings of The Faith.

Thirdly, IF the person has committed the offence, you go through correct and legal procedures provided by the State. I highly recommend that local police authorities do not determine the fate of the case but it is scrutinised by higher authority and courts. The culture of a local police officers divulges (community contacts) and meddles with the case as it can easily be influenced and perverts justice.

Fourthly, if accusations are proved incorrect, then the accuser should be charged for causing inconvenient stress, loss of time and compensate the victim for reputation damage, as well as maintain their distance and withdraw contact. If the victim is harmed then severe actions will be taken. Justice will be served.

Lastly, Pakistan needs to consider 'egg-shell' laws - which covers taking the person as they are, a sane and healthy person's offence shouldn't be weighed the same as a person who is mentally unstable. They don't equate equal.

This should be established to ensure a prosperous, tolerant, educated and Fair law within Pakistan and above all enhances Faith - rather than tarnishing it.

Peace out.

Divergent.
What a waste of your time. Try focusing more on new lawns or whatever women talk about, trust me i have done this a number of time, you ain't convincing them.
 
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I am not and the punishment has been given to lot of people in past 1400 years including the one who was hiding behind Kaba during fatha Makkah was killed also the two prisoners after returning from Badar were killed and there are lot of other examples
All those examples are of people who were responsible for many other crimes except blasphemy, including attempting to kill and attack Muslims. All the other blasphemers were spared.

If blasphemy was punishable by death; what about the bedouin who urinated infront of the Prophet, what about the people of Ta'if, and what about all those verses of the Holy Qur'an?

I've argued with you on this before, remember?

You need to directly address those verses - you have always ignored them and jump directly to Hadith and Fatwas. First point of reference is Quran, and it takes precedence.

trust me i have done this a number of time, you ain't convincing them.
As hopeless as it seems, it's still worth a try. Even if you don't convince them, you might convince someone else reading the thread, or at least counteract the extremist propaganda so it doesn't convince someone else.
 
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What happened a few days ago was totally disgraceful and brutal.It is the same thing ISIS is doing now a days;using the name of Islam to kill innocents.And it is strongly needed to arrest all those who are responsible and hang them publically to make sure in future incidents of this kind could never happen.
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But for blasphemy their is no forgiveness if a person has actually done that and after evidence he should be sentenced to death.
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Sorry for those who can't understand urdu.I tried my best but could not find its english version.
 
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Bhai Jaan Dr Shab Ki Sari Baatain Sahi Hain Lekin Itna Jazbaati Honey Bhi Zarorat Nhi Ha Ager Detail Study Karengey Case Ko Pata Chulgaeyga Ka Is More Of Political Killing Than A Religious One, ANP's Student Wing Was Involved In This Killing Where As He Was Also A Member Of the same group but There was A power struggle was going He Recently returned from Russia And After Doing Engg There He Was Stiding Mass Communication Which Is Astonishing And From VC To Administration Whole Are ANP Affiliated, And Even If This was Still Done on the Bases of religious matter u can still can't blame muslimhood for that because 2 hafiz were linched by christian at the youhannabad and don't forget sialkot incident so don't quote religion because it is nothing to do with religion but religion is the answer our society has been divided in 2 mentality secular or liberal and religious which is potraying it to that religious ppl are to blame because this mentality is controlling politics and media, while it is otherwise because we saw it in youhannabad and not to forget DG Khan incidend where an alleged murder was beaten to death and then linched and it was done by the shia communty but no media out let or foriegn forces, PM Or Even Judicary Took Notice Because Media didn't highlighted it While It Was A pure religious matter but a so called oppressed miniority was involved in it It is the hypocrisy and injustice which is causing such incident
 
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All those examples are of people who were responsible for many other crimes except blasphemy, including attempting to kill and attack Muslims. All the other blasphemers were spared.

If blasphemy was punishable by death; what about the bedouin who urinated infront of the Prophet, what about the people of Ta'if, and what about all those verses of the Holy Qur'an?

I've argued with you on this before, remember?

You need to directly address those verses - you have always ignored them and jump directly to Hadith and Fatwas. First point of reference is Quran, and it takes precedence.


As hopeless as it seems, it's still worth a try. Even if you don't convince them, you might convince someone else reading the thread, or at least counteract the extremist propaganda so it doesn't convince someone else.
No they weren't the one hiding in Kana his only crime was abusive poetry against RASOOL SAW he was killed for that
 
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No they weren't the one hiding in Kana his only crime was abusive poetry against RASOOL SAW he was killed for that
Right - what was his name? Where is it mentioned? Is it in the Qur'an?

If it's not in the Qur'an, we can't use that one incident to derive legal rules when there are dozens upon dozens of incidents where blasphemers were forgiven.

Why is this one incident more important than all the other incidents and all the verses from the Qur'an which recommend forgiving rather than punishing blasphemers? Because some molvi said so?
 
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Right - what was his name? Where is it mentioned? Is it in the Qur'an?

If it's not in the Qur'an, we can't use that one incident to derive legal rules when there are dozens upon dozens of incidents where blasphemers were forgiven.

Why is this one incident more important than all the other incidents and all the verses from the Qur'an which recommend forgiving rather than punishing blasphemers? Because some molvi said so?
Right - what was his name? Where is it mentioned? Is it in the Qur'an?

If it's not in the Qur'an, we can't use that one incident to derive legal rules when there are dozens upon dozens of incidents where blasphemers were forgiven.

Why is this one incident more important than all the other incidents and all the verses from the Qur'an which recommend forgiving rather than punishing blasphemers? Because some molvi said so?

you are wasting your time asking Zarvan for a Proof ...
 
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Thats one powerful and explosive piece of article i read in a long time. Seems like all the bottled up anger inside the writer came eruptinh out in a volcanic blast. This piece needs to be shared on social media, urdu newspapers, tv channels, word of mouth, everything.
 
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But for blasphemy their is no forgiveness if a person has actually done that and after evidence he should be sentenced to death.
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Here's the English version of the first one;
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."
Ka'ab bin al-Ashraf was killed for trying to murder the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) and for trying to raise armed opposition to the Muslims in wartime, which is treason. Blasphemy was not his only crime.

Similarly, Abu Rafi was responsible for rallying the tribes to attack the Muslims in the Battle of Khandaq, which is why he was killed.

Here is a detailed study of this event;
It is claimed by some that Ka’b Ibn al-Ashraf was killed as a result of him annoying the Prophet (p). This is simply not true. Ka’b was a tribal leader who gave assistance to the pagan Arabs i.e., the Quraysh. The Quraish were the enemy of the Muslim community. They persecuted the Muslims for many years in Makkah, to the point that the Muslims ended up leaving, exiled to Madinah. Even when the Muslims left to get away from the Quraish tyrants, the disbelievers of Makkah hatched up many plans to exterminate the Muslim community.

Ka’b Ibn al-Ashraf gave the Quraish assistance, and organised the assassination of Prophet Muhammad (p). Hence, Prophet Muhammad (p) had decided to deal with him. The folowing Hadith shows Ashraf, was treacherous, and instigated war against Prophet Muhammad (p):

Ka’ab bin Malik who was one of those whose repentance was accepted said “Ka’ab bin Al Ashraf used to satire the Prophet and incited the infidels of the Quraish against him. …” (Sunan Abi Dawud: Book 19, Hadith 2994)

Safi-Ur-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri:

KA’B BIN AL-ASHRAF, KILLED
Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf was the most resentful Jew at Islam and the Muslims, the keenest on inflicting harm on the Messenger of Allah (p) and the most zealous advocate of waging war against him. He belonged to Tai’ tribe… [1]

Muslim scholar Muhammad Ali Bin Zubair Ali also comments:

After the battle of Badr, a Jew by the name of Ka’b ibnul Ashraf who harboured intense hatred for Nabee (Prophet) was greatly saddened by the defeat of the mushrikeen (idolaters) at Badr as well as the death of their leaders. As a result he travelled to Makkah to sympathise with the Mushrikeen (idolaters). While there, he composed verses expressing condolences about the dead leaders as well as poetry insulting Our Beloved Prophet (a practice he was perpetrating all along). He also incited the Mushrikeen (idolaters) to take revenge against Nabee (Prophet) and the Muslims. This was the same enemy who invited Nabee (Prophet) for a meal and has placed some people to kill him. Allah informed Nabee about this plan and he left from there before this evil plan could be executed. Many Sahabah intended killing this evil man but were exhorted by Nabee (Prophet) to exercise patience and tolerance. However when his evil crossed all limits Nabee (Prophet) permitted action against him and Muhammad bin Maslamah and other finally carried out a mission in which they annihilated this enemy of Allah from the face of the earth. [2]

Scholar Maulana Muhammad Ali:

KA’B IBN ASHRAF
We now come to the genuine cases which are mentioned in collections of Hadith. The first of these is the case of Ka’b ibn Ashraf. We propose to discuss it in detail, for this one case would show how the Holy Prophet has been misrepresented. Ka’b’s father belonged to the tribe of Tayy, but coming over to Madinah he became an ally of the Jewish tribe Nadir and became so influential that he succeeded in marrying the daughter of a Jewish leader. Ka’b thus stood in a very near relationship to both Jews and Arabs. When the Holy Prophet came to Madinah, the Jews made an agreement with him, by the terms of which Jews and Muslims were to live as one people, both retaining their own faith, and in the case of an attack on Madinah or an unaggressive war with a third party they bound themselves to help each other. The Prophet was accepted as the final court of appeal in all disputes.

When, however, Makkan army advanced on Madinah in the 2nd year of Hijrah, the Musims had to meet them alone, and notwithstanding that they were less than a third of the Makkan army and very inferior in efficiency and arms, they inflicted a crushing defeat on the invading army at Badr. The Muslim victory only added to the Jewish spite against Islam. Ka’b, who was bound by the Madinah treaty, now used his poetic gift freely to excite hatred of Islam and the Muslims. Not content with this, he proceeded to Makkah and openly joined hands with the enemies of Islam. He urged upon the Quraish the necessity of attacking Madinah with a strong force at an early date, and swore in the Ka’bah that he would fight against the Muslims when Madinah was invaded. Not only this; he returned from Makkah with a plan to put an end to the Prophet’s life by underhand means.

That there was a war between Muslims and non-Muslims at the time of the alleged ‘assassination,’ in the third year of the Hijrah, is an undeniable fact. The question is whether Ka’b was among the combatants or the non-combatants. If he actually joined hands with the enemies of Islam and placed himself among those who were fighting with the Muslims, and he was killed by the Muslims, can this be called a case of treachery, cruelty or butchery? That Ka’b had openly joined the combatants and become their ally is borne out by all historical accounts; nay, some of them go so far as to say that he had planned to murder the Holy Prophet treacherously. Here are a few authorities:

‘he went to the Quraish, weeping over their killed (at Badr) and inciting them to fight with the Prophet.’ (Zurqani, vol ii, p. 10)

The Prophet said): ‘He (Ka’b) has openly assumed enmity to us and speaks evil of us and he has gone over to the polytheists (who were at war with Muslims) and has made them gather against us for fighting’ (Zurqani, vol. ii, p. 11)

‘And according to Kalbi, he united in a league with the Quraish before the curtains of the Ka’bah, to fight against the Muslims.’ (Zurqani, vol. ii, p. 11)

‘And he prepared a feast, and conspired with some Jews that he would invite the prophet, and when he came they should fall on him all of a sudden.’ (Zurqani, vol. ii, p. 12)

Commenting on Bukhari’s report relating to the killing of Ka’b, the author of Fath al-Bari relates the reports which we have quoted above from Zurqani, viz., Ka’b’s going to Makkah and inciting the Quraish, entering into a league before the curtains of the Ka’bah to fight against the Muslims, the Holy Prophet’s declaration that he had assumed open enmity, and his plan to kill the Prophet by inviting him to a feast. Bukhari himself speaks of the incidents relating to the killing of ‘Ka’b under headings in which the word harb (fighting) occurs, thus showing that he was looked upon as a combatant. Abu Dawud speaks of the incident under the heading, ‘When the enemy is attacked and he unprepared.’ Showing that Ka’b was dealt with as an enemy at war with Muslims. And the comment on this is that ‘Ka’b used to incite people to murder the Muslims’, and discussing the legality of what the party sent out for the punishment of Ka’b did, the same commentator adds: ‘This is not allowed in the case of an enemy after security has been given to him or peace has been made with him … but it is allowed in the case of one who breaks the covenant and helps others in the murder of Muslims.’ And Ibn Sa’d tells us that when the Jews complained to the Holy Prophet that their leader was killed, ‘he reminded them of his deeds and how he urged and incited (the Quraish) to fight against them,’ and adds that ‘the Prophet then called upon them to make an agreement with him’, and this agreement ‘was afterwards in the possession of Ali.’ All this evidence is too clear to show that Ka’b was put to death for having broken the agreement with the Prophet and joining his enemies who were at war with him and he was therefore treated as a combatant, while the other Jews who did not go to this length, though they were not less active in speaking evil of the Holy Prophet, still lived at peace with him and all that they were required to do was to sign an agreement that they would not join hands with those who were at war with the Muslims.

The only question that is worth considering is why Ka’b was put to death by certain Muslims attacking him suddenly and unawares. In the first place, it must be clearly understood that responsibility for the manner in which he was put to death cannot lie with the Prophet. That the Prophet considered Ka’b as deserving death is quite true, but there is no proof at all that he gave any directions as to the manner in which that sentence was to be carried out. On the other hand, according to one report, when the Prophet was asked by Muhammad ibn Maslamah whether he should kill him he assumed silence, while according to another he said: ‘If you are going to do it, be not in a hurry until you have consulted Sa’d ibn Mu’adh’ (Zurqani, vol ii, p 12). At any rate he knew nothing about the details, and it is even doubtful whether the details as given are true, the Holy Prophet had nothing to do with them. And leaving aside the question of the Prophet’s responsibility, there was no other method to which resort could be had under the circumstances. The hostile critic takes it for granted that the conditions under which the Muslims lived at Madinah were very like those under which he lived in the twentieth century. They had to deal with an enemy, and they dealt with him in the only way in which it was possible to proceed under circumstances then existing. Ka’b had chosen to enter into a league with an enemy at war with Muslims, and according to all human and Divine laws he could not but be treated as an enemy at war. And dealing with him as a combatant, the Holy Prophet sent a party against him; it I definitely called a sariyyah (lit. a portion of an army) in al biographical works, this showing that the party was sent to fight with him; but it rested with the leader of the party to choose the best way in which he could deal a blow at the enemy. And Muhammad ibn Maslamah, the leader, chose a method which was recognised among the Arabs and which in his opinion was the best and most effective way under the circumstances. If the leader of the party had chosen to attack Ka’b openly, there would have been much more bloodshed, and probably the whole Jewish tribe of Bani Nadir would have suffered along with Ka’b. Ka’b had broken his agreement with the Prophet, he had revolted against him, he had entered into a league to fight against Muslims till they were extirpated, and he had secretly planned to take away the Prophet’s life. For every one of these offences he had forfeited his life. A part was sent to execute this decree and his life was taken in a manner which, if it had the fault of being secret, had also the merit of not involving innocent people along with the culprit, which would surely have been the result in the case of an open attack. But the Holy Prophet was not in any way responsible for the method of execution. [3]

Ibn Hajar (1372 – 1449 AD):

“The author [Bukhari] placing this in the chapter of Jihad gives the mean that Ka’b was a war enemy. … He was assassinated only because he violated his treaty and assisted in the war against the Messenger of Allah (p)…” [4]

Imam Al-Qastalani (1447 – 1557 AD) briefly comments:

“He violated his pact and supported the war against the Prophet (p)…” [5]



Another issue brought up is that Prophet Mohammad (p) approved of Maslamah to lie, and then get Ka’b killed. There is no evidence from hadith to suggest this happened. Some scholars have put words in brackets trying to explain that lying was allowed in order to kill the enemy i.e., Ka’b. However, this is not the case. We have other Hadith, and Scholars who agree that prophet Muhammad (p) did not order Maslamah to deceive Ka’b or to lie. The following evidence shows that Prophet Muhammed (p) did not encourage Maslamah to lie. Islamic scholar Allama Shibli Nu’mani comments on Ka’b ibn Ashraf’s killing. He writes:

“One his return to Medina, he began to incite people and compose satirical verses against the Prophet.2 In Arabia poetry exerted the same influence over public mind as the stirring speeches of great statesmen and the articles of leading newspapers do today. A single poet through his verse could ignite a whole tribe. There is another report to the effect that he went to Mecca with forty others, Abu Sufyan, and incited him to avenge the dead at Badr. Abu Sufyan took them all to the Haram, and there, holding the certain of the Ka’ba, they vowed vengeance for the battle of Badr. Not satisfied with all that, he made plans to get the Prophet secretly assassinated.

Allama Ya’qubi, in his history says: ‘Ka’b Ibn Ashraf, the Jew, made an effort to get the Prophet treacherously murdered.’ This report is further corroborated by another quoted by Allama Hafiz Ibn Hajar, who, while dealing with the murder of Ka’b Ibn Ashraf, states on the authority of ‘Ikrima that Ka’b invited the Prophet to feast and appointed his men to murder him when he came. Hafiz Ibn Hajar has declared this report weak, yet in view of the existing circumstances the weak points in the sources do not warrant its rejection.

Fearing more trouble from these covert designs, the Prophet spoke of it to his Companions, and with his approval, Muhammad Ibn Maslama consulted the leaders of Aus, and then as advised, murdered him in the month of Rabi al-Awwal in the 3rd year of the Hijra i.e., August 624 C.E.

Traditionists have stated that Muhammad Ibn Maslama came to the Prophet and asked for his permission in these words, ‘Let us have permission to say something.’ ‘To say something’ has been interpreted by writers on history as saying false things, which they believe, the Prophet permitted as all is fair in war. But the report in Sahih al-Bukhari has the words: ‘We may be permitted to have a talk with him.’ Sahih al-Bukhari’s words in no way suggest that permission to say something untrue was sought and given. On the other hand the dialogue reported to have taken place reveals low morals and inner mind of the Jews. Muhammad Ibn Maslama went to Ka’b and said: ‘ We gave shelter to Muhammad an incurred the wrath of the whole of Arabia. Now alms and charities are demanded of us. SO we come to you to pawn our things and get money from you.’ At this Ka’b said, ‘You will get fed up with Muhammad. All right, you should pawn your wives.’ But this beautiful face of yours, said Ibn Maslama, ‘does not let us trust the fidelity of our wives.’ Ka’b then replied, ‘then mortgage your children.’ ‘This will bring us into disgrace and disrepute throughout Arabic’, said Ibn Maslama, ‘We shall pawn our arms and you know how great is their these days.’ The report of this murder as mentioned in the Sahih al-Bukhari runs thus: ‘The people called Ka’b out of his house in a friendly manner and then pretending to smell his lock of hair caught hold of it, and killed him.’ This report does not mentioned the Prophet permitting anybody to do it. Among the Arabs of the days such methods of murder were not objectionable. [6]

Allama Shibli Nu’mani is quite clear that Prophet Muhammed did not permit Maslamah to lie, as there is nothing to suggest such. Those who claim that the Prophet (p) killed Ashraf because he annoyed him, are untrue. There are many Hadiths which prove that the Prophet (p) never took revenge on anyone for his own-self:

Narrated `Aisha: Allah’s Messenger never took revenge for his own self in any matter presented to him till Allah’s limits were exceeded, in which case he would take revenge for Allah’s sake. (Sahih al-Bukhari: Volume 8, Book 82, Hadith 836)

`A’ishah said: the Messenger of Allah was never given his choice between two things without taking the easier(or lesser) of them provided it involved no sin, for if it did, no one kept farther away from it than he. And the Messenger of Allah never took revenge on his own behalf for anything unless something Allah had forbidden has been transgressed, in which event he took revenge for it for Allah’s sake. (Sunan Abi Dawud: Book 42, Hadith 4767)

‘Aishah reported: Whenever the Prophet was given a choice between two matters, he would (always) choose the easier as long as it was not sinful to do so; but if it was sinful he was most strict in avoiding it. He never took revenge upon anybody for his own sake; but when Allah’s Legal Bindings were outraged, he would take revenge for Allah’s sake. (Riyad as-Salihin Book 1, Hadith 641)

Conclusion:

Ashraf being killed was not as a result of him annoying the Prophet (p), but that he was a warmonger who wanted to assassinate the Prophet (p). The above evidences show that Prophet Muhammad (p) never took revenge on anyone who abused him verbally. Hence, Ka’b ibn al-Ashraf was killed because he was a threat to peace in the community – the Prophet (p) did not have any option left but to eliminate the danger that was posed to him, and the Muslim community. Furthermore, the assertion by some that Mohammed (p) allowed deception be used in order for Ka’b to get killed is untrue, as scholar Allama Shibli explained, there is nothing in the Hadith which suggests this.

References:

[1] Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum – The Sealed Nectar: Biography of the Noble Prophet By Safi-Ur-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri, page 241
[2] Seerah Sayyidul Ambiyaa – The Noble Life of Prophet Muhammad By Muhammad Ali Bin Zubair Ali, page 139
[3] Muhammad the Prophet: by Maulana Muhammad Ali, page 202 – 206
[4] Fath al-Bari, by Ibn Hajar, page 160 and page 340
[5] Sharh al-Bukhari, by Al-Qastalani, volume 5, page 156
[6] Sirat-Un-Nabi [The Life of the Prophet] – By Allama Shibli Nu’mani, volume 2, page 92 – 94

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The Qur'an clearly states that it is better to forgive blasphemers and that Allah will punish them if they deserve punishment:
". . . But they uttered blasphemy . . . if they repent, it will be best for them, but if they turn back, Allah will punish them." [9:47]
"When ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme." [Qur'an 4:140]
"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "to us our deeds and to you yours; peace be to you." [Qur'an 28: 55]
"Hold to forgiveness, command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant." [Qur'an 7:199]
"Have patience with what they say, and leaves them with noble (dignity)." [Qur'an 73:10]
"And the servants of Allah . . . are those who walked on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say 'Peace'" [Qur'an 25:63]
"Allah is with those who restrain themselves." [Qur'an 16: 128]

The death penalty is reserved for murder, rebellion/treason and fasad fil-ard (spreading disorder in the land)
 
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Right - what was his name? Where is it mentioned? Is it in the Qur'an?

If it's not in the Qur'an, we can't use that one incident to derive legal rules when there are dozens upon dozens of incidents where blasphemers were forgiven.

Why is this one incident more important than all the other incidents and all the verses from the Qur'an which recommend forgiving rather than punishing blasphemers? Because some molvi said so?
No every Islamic law doesn't have to be found in the Quran. Quran and Sunnah are both part of Islam and this punishment was given in life of RASOOL SAW and also in 4 Caliphs time and all the other Caliphate upto Ottomans. And name of that guy is mentioned in several places. And there are around dozen incidents where they were eliminated. Also lot more in time of 4 Caliphs and after that

Here's the English version of the first one;

Ka'ab bin al-Ashraf was killed for trying to murder the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) and for trying to raise armed opposition to the Muslims in wartime, which is treason. Blasphemy was not his only crime.

Similarly, Abu Rafi was responsible for rallying the tribes to attack the Muslims in the Battle of Khandaq, which is why he was killed.

Here is a detailed study of this event;


The Qur'an clearly states that it is better to forgive blasphemers and that Allah will punish them if they deserve punishment:


The death penalty is reserved for murder, rebellion/treason and fasad fil-ard (spreading disorder in the land)
No KAAB wasn't killed for trying to murder RASOOL SAW go realize all the Hadith on that incident you will know he was basically killed for his abusive poetry about RASOOL SAW.
 
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It's totally Islamic law and I know Hadith rejectors hate this law because there issue was always with RASOOL SAW and his status in Islam but this is law is totally Islamic and is there and will remain there no power on earth can take it from our constitution
The law is totally un-Islamic and is not in the constitution.

It is in the penal code and based on British Imperial law.

No every Islamic law doesn't have to be found in the Quran.
Yes, but laws found outside the Qur'an must not contradict the Qur'an. If the Qur'an says 'be patient' and 'forgive them', you can not use Hadith or other sources to develop a law that says 'kill them'.
 
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The law is totally un-Islamic and is not in the constitution.

It is in the penal code and based on British Imperial law.


Yes, but laws found outside the Qur'an must not contradict the Qur'an. If the Qur'an says 'be patient' and 'forgive them', you can not use Hadith or other sources to develop a law that says 'kill them'.
They are not contradicting the Quran. It's not the penal based on British this law was always there and implemented by RASOOL SAW himself his 4 Sahabas who were caliphs and than up to Ottomans
 
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