Putin’s MiGs vs. US F-16s in Syria

[WaLeEdK2]

Go kid do some research and than talk SU and MIGS are garbage planes, F-22 and F-35 are world most electronically advanced planes on the planet

He didn't say they were garbage though

 

[Ultima Thule]

He didn't say they were garbage though

He says that MIG and SU are better than F-22 , F-35, you knows that what the truth, F-16, F-15, and F-18 are way a head electronically from these junkise

 

[Viper0011.]

Iraqi MiG25 were old and not upgraded (due to sanctions).. whr as US F15 had latest upgrade...
In Syria it will be nice to see Upgraded MiG31 Vs Upgraded F16... I will happy if some Turkish bird goes down
Recently Russian ATM (anti tank missiles) eat up some Saudi M1Abarams..

You are making assumptions that every -15, 16 or 18 in Iraq's war was the MOST updated jet, upgraded just a week before deployment... But there was one incident where between Iraqi Mig-25's and the -15's (I think 2-2 formation), there were a total of 10 missiles fired on each other, resulting in 0 kill on either side! So if I take your suggestion, then, in this example, both the Mig-25's should've been downed with the first two missile fired from the -15?

Let's assume out of 10, only 4 missiles were fired from the Mig-25's, still, they some how managed to escape from 6 missiles (or switch the order in any way you want to, they didn't lose the jet).

Iraqi Mig-25's were upgraded too, before sanctions, and they were able to fire BVR missiles just like any other Russian plane. Plus Mig-25 gets the benefit of its much higher speed too.

People on here are quick to jump to conclusions to discredit the American military almost immediately, without having facts straight. Its unfortunate. A real heavier and real comparison of the Mig's in Syria are still the -15 and the -18's. But I am more than sure that -16 block 52 and above, can handle the Mig-31 too. You'll see the results when this fight takes place!

 

[saadee]

He says that MIG and SU are better than F-22 , F-35, you knows that what the truth, F-16, F-15, and F-18 are way a head electronically from these junkise

Raptor, undoubtedly is a lethal threat and a game changer but you have to keep one thing in mind that F-35 is also one of the worst dog fighter in the world.

 

[Yazp]

He says that MIG and SU are better than F-22 , F-35, you knows that what the truth, F-16, F-15, and F-18 are way a head electronically from these junkise

The new Sukhoi's and MiG counterparts will easily take out the F16s, F15s, F18s and dare I say, F35s and F22As.

Emphasis on counter parts. I never said which one was better, I only said they all have their equivalents and that both of them can easily take each other out.

Considering that an F16 can take down a F35, I am sure that the Su-35 will easily take on the F35, If the conditions are met.

The F35 is the biggest waste of money in the 21st century. It's design was based on the Russian Yak-141:

The F22A however, is a different story. It is an excellent fighter, whose equivalent is the PAK-FA or the Chinese J-31.

 

[saadee]

He says that MIG and SU are better than F-22 , F-35, you knows that what the truth, F-16, F-15, and F-18 are way a head electronically from these junkise

In addition, I don't think you're aware of recent dog fight in between F-16 and F-35. F-35 got toasted over and over by the F-16. Su is in a different league. I don't believe in FOF crap because not every BVR missile can hit the target accurately. I mean pilots can dodge the missile but what will happen if WVR takes place in between SU and F-35? It is not easy as it seems

 

[Ultima Thule]

In addition, I don't think you're aware of recent dog fight in between F-16 and F-35. F-35 got toasted over and over by the F-16. Su is in a different league. I don't believe in FOF crap because not every BVR missile can hit the target accurately. I mean pilots can dodge the missile but what will happen if WVR takes place in between SU and F-35? It is not easy as it seems

You forget the F-35 ETOS system, its a exception Mr, SU and MIG are big planes, they have big infrared and huge RCS F-35 will toast MIG and SU in BVR fight before its comes to WVR fight, think about that kid

 

[nvKyleBrown]

What's this thread doing in Pakistani Air Force section?

Their range is limited. Sure a MANPAD is faster than a jet, but it has limited range to catch up to a jet.

The AIM-120 is an air-to-air missile, not a MANPAD, with a 90+mile range in the latest variants. Speed is Mach 4. You are not outrunning it with a Mach 3 capable aircraft, particularly when aircraft accelerate slower. You are not going to be cruising around at very high speeds due to fuel consumption issues. So, you detect the launch, by the time you get your MiG up to Mach 2 or 3, you've been hit already.

And a MiG-31 is not going to outmaneuver anything. The AIM-120 includes a track-on-jamming mode as well, with auto-switchover to that mode if jamming is detected.

 

[soldier of Putin]

The AIM-120 is an air-to-air missile, not a MANPAD, with a 90+mile range in the latest variants. Speed is Mach 4. You are not outrunning it with a Mach 3 capable aircraft, particularly when aircraft accelerate slower. You are not going to be cruising around at very high speeds due to fuel consumption issues. So, you detect the launch, by the time you get your MiG up to Mach 2 or 3, you've been hit already.

And a MiG-31 is not going to outmaneuver anything. The AIM-120 includes a track-on-jamming mode as well, with auto-switchover to that mode if jamming is detected.

Faster things are harder to maneuver. A plane is far more agile in the air than a tube.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

Faster things are harder to maneuver. A plane is far more agile in the air than a tube.

No, missiles don't have pilots, which is the limiting factor for agile aircraft. The MiG-31 is not an agile aircraft in any event. It is an interceptor, not a dogfighter. I'd expect a PK around 50-60% for AIM-120s vs MiG-31s. The MiG is the wrong aircraft if you intend to intimidate opfor fighter aircraft. It's an old-school high speed interceptor, completely lacking in stealth or agility.

 

[saadee]

You forget the F-35 ETOS system, its a exception Mr, SU and MIG are big planes, they have big infrared and huge RCS F-35 will toast MIG and SU in BVR fight before its comes to WVR fight, think about that kid

SU and MIG are big planes, they have big infrared and huge RCS F-35 will toast MIG and SU in BVR<<< Is this your explanation?
Both of them are BVR capable. Use you head rather than your mouth. There is no guarantee that every BVR will hit the target.
F-35 ETOS system
No wonder why it got toasted over and over again by the F-16.

 

[Ultima Thule]

SU and MIG are big planes, they have big infrared and huge RCS F-35 will toast MIG and SU in BVR<<< Is this your explanation?
Both of them are BVR capable. Use you head rather than your mouth. There is no guarantee that every BVR will hit the target.
F-35 ETOS system
No wonder why it got toasted over and over again by the F-16.

kid remember F-35 is stealth plane not an ordinary plane SU and MIG comes closer to F-35 try to engage F-35 than it will game over for MIG and SU use the common-sense kiddo

 

[Manindra]

kid remember F-35 is stealth plane not an ordinary plane SU and MIG comes closer to F-35 try to engage F-35 than it will game over for MIG and SU use the common-sense kiddo

Don't you know delusion is stronger than reality.

 

[RazorMC]

The Eagles would be a better match for the Mig-31.

But at close range, I'd like to be in an F-16, not an interceptor.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Don't you know delusion is stronger than reality.

No and you? F-35 has an edge in BVR fight, remember F-35 half generation ahead of SU and MIG and look F-35 radar first detect MIG and SU because of their excess infrared and RCS, where as those MIGS and SU can detect F-35 relatively close by because F-35 VLO design when this happen F-35 already fires its BVR to MIG and SU, so therefore game over for SU and MIG, understand kid why I am insisting that F-35 has an edge in BVR fight over to SU and MIG, if you still don't understand ask Mr.gambit thank you