Punjab govt allocates over Rs303bn for South Punjab development

[Arsalan]

It is because our progress has been of different nature
1-Those countries don't suffer from chronic energy deficit like we do. If the gap is plugged, Pakistan can easily top the growth rate up by 1.5-2% YoY.
2-The terrorism which is at least fiscally costing us about 200-300 Billion PKR (excluding the damages to economy and increased costs of security)
Srilankans just faced the second one and it wreck havoc on their economy for decades.
The "Andhon ma kana raja" theory still holds as the economy is picking herself back. The changing perception about the economic outlook and improving sentiments were the major driver in sharif's regaining their grip back and PTI losing badly out of KPK. because masses see little value in the narrative of Imran amid improving economy. Had these elections been there with economy on the standstill, the results would have been exactly opposite.
The public goods like health and water etc are a complete wastage in province like Punjab where people take it for granted...Like I always argue with my friends, if you want to make Punjabis realize the preciousness of water and health, just send them to Karachi for a couple of months. The optimal health solution is to privatize the health sector but if that happens then the healthcare costs would shoot out of roof like those in US and advance countries....In public health you can't have equality with private healthcare because of actual costs of healthcare being mammoth when compared with public health.

Who will do all this? who will address this energy shortage and fight the terrorism. Do we still believe that we can handy them by killing them? we need to stop the new recruitment, this is possible when you will give you youth new progressive opportunities. That is not by launching and running a metro project set to be subsidized 66% in opening three years but by setting up a plant where these buses will be manufactured and thus creating jobs. This wont happen by giving students free laptops alone, what need to be done is to get these brands in Pakistan and ask them to make these systems here opening a relatively new industrial field and again, creating job and employment, why we don't set these things up in South Punjab? because the law and order situation is not good there? If so we come back to the original question, who will address these issues?
The talk about ECONOMIC GROWTH is much hyped and exaggerated. While the Gov banged drums about Moody's improved rating and economic report about the Pakistani Economy growing, the failed to mentioned that in the same report Pakistan was above ONLY AFGHANISTAN in the whole Asian region, now progress although but is it what we required? or is it the best we can do? NO!!
Stating that the gov wont provide some basic health facilities because people take it for granted is ridicules. Also note that HEATH sector was only one of the several problems i mentioned for that area? you thin gov do not provide them job because they don't work hard and do not address the law and order as they are all robbers and terrorists already so there is no use, and do not improve the education standard as they are all illiterate so no use ?

Again, i will like to mention that i am discussing all this with a view and aim that only cares about development of Pakistan, not PML or PTI. You on other hand seem to be motivated by political influence only as you managed to drag PTI into this post, AGAIN
REQUEST: Think as a Pakistani and care for Pakistan as PTI, PML or PPP are all political parties of this very PAKISTAN\

 

[SBD-3]

Who will do all this? who will address this energy shortage and fight the terrorism. Do we still believe that we can handy them by killing them? we need to stop the new recruitment, this is possible when you will give you youth new progressive opportunities. That is not by launching and running a metro project set to be subsidized 66% in opening three years but by setting up a plant where these buses will be manufactured and thus creating jobs. This wont happen by giving students free laptops alone, what need to be done is to get these brands in Pakistan and ask them to make these systems here opening a relatively new industrial field and again, creating job and employment, why we don't set these things up in South Punjab? because the law and order situation is not good there? If so we come back to the original question, who will address these issues?

Manufacturing base doesn't appear out of vacuum. A host of factors attribute to the expansion and establishment of industry. Law and order, economic and business sentiment and incentives all play their part in establishing the industry. And industry expansion becomes prominent only when the economic sentiment gathers permanence. Why would a bus manufacturer be interested in launching a bus manufacturing plant in Pakistan given there is no demand in the country.

The talk about ECONOMIC GROWTH is much hyped and exaggerated. While the Gov banged drums about Moody's improved rating and economic report about the Pakistani Economy growing, the failed to mentioned that in the same report Pakistan was above ONLY AFGHANISTAN in the whole Asian region, now progress although but is it what we required? or is it the best we can do? NO!!

Like I said before, the economic uplift depends upon a host of factors. India for example has historically been an investment magnet because of her emerging market. Same goes for Bangladesh and Srilanka that the eradication of insurgencies have resulted in peace dividends. Pakistan has not only been paying for her own strategic foolies but also the hot neighbourhood. And not to mention the domestic constraints and lack of momentum of growth.

Stating that the gov wont provide some basic health facilities because people take it for granted is ridicules. Also note that HEATH sector was only one of the several problems i mentioned for that area? you thin gov do not provide them job because they don't work hard and do not address the law and order as they are all robbers and terrorists already so there is no use, and do not improve the education standard as they are all illiterate so no use ?

If you read my reply, I didn't say that government shouldn't but rather government can't. If you really want to determine the true costs of high class healthcare do visit some good hospital or trying get treatment from a hospital in US or Singapore or Australia or UK or so forth. If health care is considered truly a private good, the higher costs of healthcare would have kept most of the society deprived.

Again, i will like to mention that i am discussing all this with a view and aim that only cares about development of Pakistan, not PML or PTI. You on other hand seem to be motivated by political influence only as you managed to drag PTI into this post, AGAIN

This was an example so as to explain the acceptance of "Andhon ma kana raja" theory. I don't know how you solely implied pure political angle in this.

REQUEST: Think as a Pakistani and care for Pakistan as PTI, PML or PPP are all political parties of this very PAKISTAN\

Well for that my previous reply should suffice, rest you can watch Hassan Nisar for further self satisfaction, if required.

 

[Arsalan]

Manufacturing base doesn't appear out of vacuum. A host of factors attribute to the expansion and establishment of industry. Law and order, economic and business sentiment and incentives all play their part in establishing the industry. And industry expansion becomes prominent only when the economic sentiment gathers permanence. Why would a bus manufacturer be interested in launching a bus manufacturing plant in Pakistan given there is no demand in the country.

Agreed, it cant appear out of vacuum, it have been 7 decades, decades almost since these two parties started getting power, how much more DECADES they want to fill in that void and what have been done to start filling in say last three four terms? Why isn't there any demand? the gov is spending millions is starting the project in different cities, is it necessary that all these must be imported? if Turkey is exporting these to us why can we export to others? We have a population of over 2 corer, this means millions of computer user, what are the two MOST COMMON brands? HP and Dell? If government is giving hundred of thousands of computers to student, why not approach these manufacturers and ask them to make in Pakistan guaranteeing that gov will buy for sure this many number plus it is a big market and you can sell in open market as they are already are doing? Why cant we export? We are importing Audi cars from India, the dealership is with Hamza Shahbaz Sharif, this is where we are spending $$$,,, on other side, the Hundai plant have closed after MR. Zardari allegedly asked them for commission, this is where we lost $$$....
This is the progress we are making to fill in that void?

Like I said before, the economic uplift depends upon a host of factors. India for example has historically been an investment magnet because of her emerging market. Same goes for Bangladesh and Srilanka that the eradication of insurgencies have resulted in peace dividends. Pakistan has not only been paying for her own strategic foolies but also the hot neighborhood. And not to mention the domestic constraints and lack of momentum of growth.

Whose strategic foolies were these? So India is a big market, Srilanka and Bangladesh have gone ahead so now we don't need to work for progress anymore as they are already ahead, instead, why not set up a new plants in Bangladesh. The politicians have milked Pakistan so better move on now

If you read my reply, I didn't say that government shouldn't but rather government can't. If you really want to determine the true costs of high class healthcare do visit some good hospital or trying get treatment from a hospital in US or Singapore or Australia or UK or so forth. If health care is considered truly a private good, the higher costs of healthcare would have kept most of the society deprived.

Again, the is you logic that Government cant so why the effort, let the people die as we cant save them? Have you seen what have happened in Thar? was only Sindh gov responsible? isnt it your or mine responsibility or the responsibility of the people we voted for?
again, note that Health care is ONLY one issue i have pointed in my last two posts.

This was an example so as to explain the acceptance of "Andhon ma kana raja" theory. I don't know how you solely implied pure political angle in this.

because i have been following your posts for some time now. While it is refreshing to see your posts on various topics, it really hurt me when i see you posting on political issues because you ignore the general interest and are a bit too much affiliated with one party ( your right) that almost always try to favor them where it isn't due and drag in the opposing parties just out of paranoia.

Well for that my previous reply should suffice, rest you can watch Hassan Nisar for further self satisfaction, if required.

nah, the mental masturbation is not my area of interest... I am happy kick out all these media jurnos out of my life...

 

[SBD-3]

Agreed, it cant appear out of vacuum, it have been 7 decades, decades almost since these two parties started getting power,how much more DECADES they want to fill in that void and what have been done to start filling in say last three four terms? Why isn't there any demand?

1-Are u sure that Pakistan has been ruled by these "Two parties" for seven decades? Both of these were created by Zia in 80s.
2-The PPP had a chance to prove them but they failed misrabally resulting in a wipe out. PML-N also knows it very well. PTI poses a challenge but they'd have to outperform PML-N to grab the driving seat. Initially we had a bi-partisian now we have a tri-partisian system however and given a couple of more cycles, we may have another big party making it through, not only providing people with better choice but also increasing compitition.

the gov is spending millions is starting the project in different cities, is it necessary that all these must be imported? if Turkey is exporting these to us why can we export to others?

This is a really naive question. Why are we importing solar panels, for example? Its because no manufacturer sees enough potential demand sufficient enough to set up a manufacturing base. A bi-product of laptop scheme is that now the manufacturing base is coming to Pakistan as they see a stable and significant demand going ahead. Likewise for metro buses, we have Hino producing buses in Pakistan. However, to manufacture the buses to the quality of metrobus, they would need to make additional investment in their machinery and infrastructure. The total demand for metro buses right now is about 120-130 buses. So should HINO start investing huge sum just to produce 150 odd units? They didn't even compete in tender because their costs of investments would have been far higher than production gains. Its economics 101.

We have a population of over 2 corer, this means millions of computer user, what are the two MOST COMMON brands? HP and Dell? If government is giving hundred of thousands of computers to student, why not approach these manufacturers and ask them to make in Pakistan guaranteeing that gov will buy for sure this many number plus it is a big market and you can sell in open market as they are already are doing? Why cant we export? We are importing Audi cars from India, the dealership is with Hamza Shahbaz Sharif, this is where we are spending $$$,,, on other side, the Hundai plant have closed after MR. Zardari allegedly asked them for commission, this is where we lost $$$....This is the progress we are making to fill in that void?

Already answered before.

Whose strategic foolies were these? So India is a big market, Srilanka and Bangladesh have gone ahead so now we don't need to work for progress anymore as they are already ahead, instead, why not set up a new plants in Bangladesh. The politicians have milked Pakistan so better move on now

See this is the problem, we don't even comprehend our wrongdoings. Aiding Talibans in Afghanistan, promoting militancy in Kashmir, Kargil venture.....Aided the enemies of Pakistan in not only branding us a unsafe and terror promoting country but also provided them with a valid reason to promote instability in Pakistan.

Again, the is you logic that Government cant so why the effort, let the people die as we cant save them? Have you seen what have happened in Thar? was only Sindh gov responsible? isnt it your or mine responsibility or the responsibility of the people we voted for?
again, note that Health care is ONLY one issue i have pointed in my last two posts.

Again, the point is that government can only match the healthcare to an extent. Thar is a case of government's negligence, not ability. However, you're confusing the reality with emotions.

because i have been following your posts for some time now. While it is refreshing to see your posts on various topics, it really hurt me when i see you posting on political issues because you ignore the general interest and are a bit too much affiliated with one party ( your right) that almost always try to favor them where it isn't due and drag in the opposing parties just out of paranoia.

1-I don't post from unvarifiable posts.
2-I don't make ranting posts
3-I don't provoke others which is a common practice here.
I have said it again and again, if you can correct me, I would gladly accept that.

 

[Arsalan]

1-Are u sure that Pakistan has been ruled by these "Two parties" for seven decades? Both of these were created by Zia in 80s.
2-The PPP had a chance to prove them but they failed misrabally resulting in a wipe out. PML-N also knows it very well. PTI poses a challenge but they'd have to outperform PML-N to grab the driving seat. Initially we had a bi-partisian now we have a tri-partisian system however and given a couple of more cycles, we may have another big party making it through, not only providing people with better choice but also increasing compitition.

I typed "3" but the key was struck may be, the origianl sentence would have read as:

Agreed, it cant appear out of vacuum, it have been 7 decades, 3 decades almost since these two parties started getting power,how much more DECADES they want to fill in that void and what have been done to start filling in say last three four terms? Why isn't there any demand?

This is a really naive question. Why are we importing solar panels, for example? Its because no manufacturer sees enough potential demand sufficient enough to set up a manufacturing base. A bi-product of laptop scheme is that now the manufacturing base is coming to Pakistan as they see a stable and significant demand going ahead. Likewise for metro buses, we have Hino producing buses in Pakistan. However, to manufacture the buses to the quality of metrobus, they would need to make additional investment in their machinery and infrastructure. The total demand for metro buses right now is about 120-130 buses. So should HINO start investing huge sum just to produce 150 odd units? They didn't even compete in tender because their costs of investments would have been far higher than production gains. Its economics 101.

No my friend, THIS is naive approach. We are Importing Solar panels because we never went and ask some companies to manufacture these in Pakistan, we never provided them with the basic facilities like power, law and order, corruption free government agencies there to help set up a new industry. If a Pakistani, living here want to open a mere Petrol Pump they will have t pay around 20 to 25 lacks in bribes to tons of different government departments, now compare that to a foreign company trying to set up a WHOLE NEW PLANT. We never provided them with the required facilities to set up a plant here. If a company like Hyundai came, we asked for commission and they also closed business and ran.
About Hino, they have been manufacturing buses for decades now.
About metro, again, why are we focusing on 150 units?? if we can import from Turkey why cant we export them making these here?

Already answered before.

The same reply as above!! Only in place of 150 make it potential millions of systems that would have been soled in domestic market apart from the export potential of Dell and HP that you must be quite familiar with.

See this is the problem, we don't even comprehend our wrongdoings. Aiding Talibans in Afghanistan, promoting militancy in Kashmir, Kargil venture.....Aided the enemies of Pakistan in not only branding us a unsafe and terror promoting country but also provided them with a valid reason to promote instability in Pakistan.

Yes you are right, it seems we don't!!
I was asking WHO DID all that? Secondly, this have nothing to do with what i posted.

Again, the point is that government can only match the healthcare to an extent. Thar is a case of government's negligence, not ability. However, you're confusing the reality with emotions.

I may be but as before, the argument you are presenting for the poor health care system is quite a weak one and as mentioned before, in last three posts, this is ONLY one of the problems i pointed out in three posts.

1-I don't post from unvarifiable posts.
2-I don't make ranting posts
3-I don't provoke others which is a common practice here.

I never said or though you did, i appreciate what you bring to this forum but as said above, it hurts when i see you posts on political matters as they are blindly in support of one party and i would love to see you criticizing ANYONE bad for Pakistan and appreciating ANYONE good for the nation with out the political affiliation.

I have said it again and again, if you can correct me, I would gladly accept that.

However, if you choose to keep doing so, it is your own personal choice, i have no right to force my liking upon you. All i can do is tell you that you get emotionally driven under political influence and it would be better if it is under patriotic influence only.

 

[Asian.Century]

Great work.

Nowadays South punjab is developing like fast.