Prospect of Iran-Azerbaijan relations

[haman10]

This conflict is because Iran wants to dominate transportation business. They are charging Turkish trucks with extra charges so that we can't do business and they can steal our business. Turkey retaliated with the same, and by-passed Iran.

Situation solved. Inshallah we will stop buying over-priced natural gas from Iran when TANAP completes.... it is impossible to do business with Mullahs.

inshaallah

turkey is a rogue regime anyways . t is impossible to do business with dum dums

this thread has nothing to do with turkey too @Serpentine

 

[haman10]

TURKEY HOPES TO NORMALIZE TRUCK TRANSIT FEES WITH IRAN
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ANKARA — Turkey retaliated with increasing transit fees for Iranian trucks only when Iran hiked the rates for our Turkish trucks, Customs and Trade Minister Nurettin Canikli has said.

The transit fee for trucks has lately become a sticking point between Turkey and its neighbor Iran.

In an interview with Turkish broadcaster A Haber channel on Monday, Canikli said that despite the disagreement over the fee, Turkey and Iran remained friendly neighbors with strong trade ties.
Turkey and Iran inked an agreement on road transportation in 1994.
However, the minister acknowledged that the high transit fees were affecting the numbers of Turkish trucks crossing the border into Iran.

"Turkey only used its right to retaliate. We tried to negotiate with Iran, but they insisted on that fee. Our transport sector cannot progress in Iran with that high fee," he said.

He said the recent development was bad for both sides. "It hurts Turkish transport sector as well as Iran's transport sector. We see that the number of Iranian trucks and Turkish trucks crossing the border has decreased. We are trying to normalize this using the proper channel. But we are also committed to protecting the rights of our trucks," the minister said.

Canikli added that the high fee was also seriously damaging Iran's trucks.

"We estimate that the process will damage Iran's transport sector more than Turkey. We also estimate that Iran will understand its damages after realizing its costs and it will proceed to normalize routine transport fees," he said.

According to Turkish Customs and Trade Ministry, Iran previously charged each Turkish truck that passed through its territory using the formula of distance in kilometers multiplied by 0.32.

Then Iran increased the rate to distance in kilometers times 0.32 multiplied by 0.8.

Turkey then increased its transit fee for Iranian trucks using the same formula.

However, Iran increased the transit fee formula again to distance in kilometers multiplied by 0.32 multiplied by 0.80, multiplied by 1.60 on October 10. Turkey retaliated by also changing its fee for Iranian trucks using the same formula.

For example, if an Iranian truck passes from Turkey's eastern customs gate to the country's western customs gate, the distance will be roughly 1200 kilometers. According to the previous formula, this truck would pay $307 as transit fee, but according to the recent hike, each driver would now have to pay $614.

Professor Selçuk Çolakoğlu, Vice President of an Ankara-based think-tank USAK, described Iran's move to increase the transit fee as a way to protect its own logistics sector.

"Iran is trying to protect its logistic sector by implementing the high transit fee since the logistics sector of its neighbor, Turkey, is highly competitive," Çolakoğlu said.

Can Acun, an analyst from the Foundation for Political Economic and Social Research, said Iran was perhaps trying to increase Turkey's costs for its exports to Central Asia.

"Turkey and Iran's relations were characterized by years of rivalry, Iran has responded to Turkey's good faith by attempting opportunism. Iran has been creating some difficulties for Turkey to transport goods to Central Asia and Iraq after the recent turmoil in the Middle East," he said.

Turkey's trucks use Iranian territory to export goods to Central Asia.
The self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham's (ISIS) invasion of Mosul has hampered Turkey's route to the region.

"Iran is also trying to get Turkish goods markets in Central Asia. Iran does not want Turkish logistic companies to be more active inside the country," Acun added.

According to Turkish officials, the trade between Turkey and Iran stood at $22 billion in 2012 before dipping to $14.5 billion in the following year due to economic sanctions imposed on Tehran.

The trade volume between the two countries stood at $3.2 billion in the first quarter, according to Turkey's official statistics office.

Turkey hopes to normalize truck transit fees with Iran | Economy | Daily Sabah

this thread has nothing to do with that post , with all due respect .

 

[Serpentine]

This conflict is because Iran wants to dominate transportation business. They are charging Turkish trucks with extra charges so that we can't do business and they can steal our business. Turkey retaliated with the same, and by-passed Iran.

Situation solved. Inshallah we will stop buying over-priced natural gas from Iran when TANAP completes.... it is impossible to do business with Mullahs.

Not everything has a conspiracy theory behind it, no one is trying to 'steal' your business.

 

[New]

The possibility of rail transportation is compensating it.

Yes maybe, but only for Central Asia, for other states, there is only this way. Btw we should we should see the developments in coming months in the trades to judge.

well i believe baku is much better and econamical for CA the goods will go from turkey to azerbijan by railway there and by ship they will move to turkmenbashi and aktau port from turkmenbashi the goods will move agian by railway to turkmenabat than serdar than ashgabat than merv and from merv to uzbekistan and rest of the CA countries , track will be very expensive and also dont have good road for all the city of turkmenistan and CA ,while the soviet railway is

Guys, you are all talking about transportation like it is some imaginary concept,
For rating the transportation corridors the important elements are :
1) To be monotonic.
means, the less shift in transporting phases. (Water way, Ground Road, Air Way)
2) optimized coordination of time and cost leading to best options:
1- rail road or road ways based on the optimization of distance and costs and time
2- Water ways
3-Air ways
3) The flexibility
To lessen the disadvantages of bulk transportation in case of contingencies.
All in all a trade of of all aspects, leads to the conclusion that for Europe and Turkey and even Azerbaijan, the best route to access the CA, SA and Gulf Arab countries, by far remains the ground route via Iran, but it doesn't mean that Iran has the upper hand here. To enter the world economy every one has to obligate to it's responsibilities, that's all.

 

[atatwolf]

With the recent Iran-Turkey truck fee crises, it became very clear for me that Iran can't be trusted in any field. Even with very simple things like truck fees they are trying to screw us over. We need to work with Azerbaijan and Azeri regions as much as possible.

This conflict is because Iran wants to dominate transportation business. They are charging Turkish trucks with extra charges so that we can't do business and they can steal our business. Turkey retaliated with the same, and by-passed Iran.

Situation solved. Inshallah we will stop buying over-priced natural gas from Iran when TANAP completes.... it is impossible to do business with Mullahs.

I'm glad Iran is showing their face so clearly.

 

[Hakan]

this thread has nothing to do with that post , with all due respect .

Yes it does. We were talking about routes for trucks and the recent problem between turkey and iran regarding prices. The article explains how the pricing works and the reasons behind price increases.

Why were we talking about trucks in the first place? Because Turkey will be sending some of its trucks through azerbaijan across the caspian sea instead of through iran.

But I think you should open a thread for me in the GHQ if you belive that was an off topic post because those are against the rules and being a mod i shouldnt be breaking the rules.

 

[atatwolf]

Yes it does. We were talking about routes for trucks and the recent problem between turkey and iran regarding prices. The article explains how the pricing works and the reasons behind price increases.

Why were we talking about trucks in the first place? Because Turkey will be sending some of its trucks through azerbaijan across the caspian sea instead of through iran.

But I think you should open a thread for me in the GHQ if you belive that was an off topic post because those are against the rules and being a mod i shouldnt be breaking them.

If you look at the map, they want to by-pass Turkey to sell their energy.

These smart asses want Azerbaijan to turn their back on Turkey and do business with Iran and give them monopoly

In my book only this is possible:

 

[ResurgentIran]

TANAP is just a pipedream (pun intended)

 

[Azeri440]

TANAP is just a pipedream (pun intended)

yep , that is why it's U/C

 

[-SINAN-]

TANAP is just a pipedream (pun intended)

Conctruction is going to start in 2015.

 

[xenon54 out]

TANAP is just a pipedream (pun intended)

Nah our Azeri bros are becoming economically very strong, together we will do it no doubt.

Azerbaijan to start construction of TANAP pipeline in April 2015 — Pipelines International — The international pipeline magazine

 

[ResurgentIran]

Conctruction is going to start in 2015...

............NOOOOOT.
I love Borat. lol

 

[Azeri440]

Conctruction is going to start in 2015.

actually it already started

 

[atatwolf]

actually it already started

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The pipe dream is becoming a reality for us and a nightmare for Iran

Maybe we should listen to Iran and stop TANAP?

 

[asena_great]

Guys, you are all talking about transportation like it is some imaginary concept,
For rating the transportation corridors the important elements are :
1) To be monotonic.
means, the less shift in transporting phases. (Water way, Ground Road, Air Way)
2) optimized coordination of time and cost leading to best options:
1- rail road or road ways based on the optimization of distance and costs and time
2- Water ways
3-Air ways
3) The flexibility
To lessen the disadvantages of bulk transportation in case of contingencies.
All in all a trade of of all aspects, leads to the conclusion that for Europe and Turkey and even Azerbaijan, the best route to access the CA, SA and Gulf Arab countries, by far remains the ground route via Iran, but it doesn't mean that Iran has the upper hand here. To enter the world economy every one has to obligate to it's responsibilities, that's all.

i agree with CA -persian gulf iran is best route but i must disagree about CA-turkey route turkey have done reasonable thing to build railway to baku it was the only way to get to CA via railway , iran also the soviet railway and westren railway (as far as i know ofc ) are not a same type so when goods want to enter soviet railway it should change it's train but bulding westren type railway from turkey to baku this problem fixed this is the most econamical actions in other hand iran should build soviet type railway to connect CA to persian gulf
this is the map with diffrent type of railway

today azerbijan has to diffrent railway type east -west is westran type and north-south is soviet type

and guys dont fight over tracks soon turkey will send it's goods by railway-sea port via azerbijan to CA and iran will send it's goods by ship from caspian sea to eastren europ via russia