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This guy is a lunatic:

President Trump Threatens to Send U.S. Troops to Mexico to Take Care of 'Bad Hombres'

(WASHINGTON) — President Donald Trump threatened in a phone call with his Mexican counterpart to send U.S. troops to stop "bad hombres down there" unless the Mexican military does more to control them itself, according to an excerpt of a transcript of the conversation obtained by The Associated Press.

The excerpt of the call did not make clear who exactly Trump considered "bad hombres," — drug cartels, immigrants, or both — or the tone and context of the remark, made in a Friday morning phone call between the leaders. It also did not contain Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto's response.

Still, the excerpt offers a rare and striking look at how the new president is conducting diplomacy behind closed doors. Trump's remark suggest he is using the same tough and blunt talk with world leaders that he used to rally crowds on the campaign trail.

A White House spokesman did not respond to requests for comment.

The phone call between the leaders was intended to patch things up between the new president and his ally. The two have had a series of public spats over Trump's determination to have Mexico pay for the planned border wall, something Mexico steadfastly refuses to agree to.

"You have a bunch of bad hombres down there," Trump told Pena Nieto, according to the excerpt seen by the AP. "You aren't doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn't, so I just might send them down to take care of it."

A person with access to the official transcript of the phone call provided an excerpt to The Associated Press. The person gave it on condition of anonymity because the administration did not make the details of the call public.

A Mexican reporter's similar account of Trump's comments was published on a Mexican website Tuesday. The reports described Trump as humiliating Pena Nieto in a confrontation conversation.

Mexico's foreign relations department denied that account, saying it "is based on absolute falsehoods."

"The assertions that you make about said conversation do not correspond to the reality of it," the statement said. "The tone was constructive and it was agreed by the presidents to continue working and that the teams will continue to meet frequently to construct an agreement that is positive for Mexico and for the United States."

Trump has used the phrase "bad hombres" before. In an October presidential debate, he vowed to get rid the U.S. of "drug lords" and "bad people."

"We have some bad hombres here, and we're going to get them out," he said. The phrase ricocheted on social media with Trump opponents saying he was denigrating immigrants.

Trump's comment was in line with the new administration's bullish stance on foreign policy matters in general, and the president's willingness to break long-standing norms around the globe.

Before his inauguration, Trump spoke to the president of Taiwan, breaking long-standing U.S. policy and irritating China. His temporary ban on refugees and travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries, aimed at reviewing screening procedures to lessen the threat of extremist attacks, has caused consternation around the world.

But nothing has created the level of bickering as the border wall, a centerpiece of his campaign. Mexico has consistently said it would not pay for the wall and opposes it. Before the phone call, Pena Nieto canceled a planned visit to the United States.

The fresh fight with Mexico last week arose over trade as the White House proposed a 20 percent tax on imports from the key U.S. ally to finance the wall after Pena Nieto abruptly scrapped his Jan. 31 trip to Washington.

The U.S. and Mexico conduct some $1.6 billion a day in cross-border trade, and cooperate on everything from migration to anti-drug enforcement to major environmental issues.

Trump tasked his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner — a real estate executive with no foreign policy experience — with managing the ongoing dispute, according to an administration official with knowledge of the call.

At a press conference with British Prime Minister Theresa May last week, Trump described his call with Pena Nieto as "friendly."

In a statement, the White House said the two leaders acknowledged their "clear and very public differences" and agreed to work through the immigration disagreement as part of broader discussions on the relationship between their countries.

http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-bad-hombres/
 
Bad hombres': reports claim Trump spoke of sending troops to Mexico
Transcript of phone conversation is said to include president telling his Mexican counterpart that America’s military might weigh in against gangs



Wax replicas of Donald Trump and Enrique Peña Nieto on display in Mexico City. Photograph: Rebecca Blackwell/AP

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David Agren in Mexico City


Thursday 2 February 2017 04.25 GMT First published on Thursday 2 February 2017 02.38 GMT

Donald Trump spoke of sending troops south of the border to take care of “bad hombres” while on the telephone with his Mexican counterpart, according to a transcript cited by the Associated Press.

Trump was said to have made either an offer – or a veiled threat – of the US military weighing in to fight Mexican gangs in a conversation on Friday that Enrique Peña Nieto’s office later described as “constructive”.

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According to reports that were apparently based on a leaked White House document, the US president told Peña Nieto: “You have a bunch of bad hombres down there. You aren’t doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn’t, so I just might send them down to take care of it.”

The overall tone of the conversation is unknown and who the “hombres” are is unclear but in a separate report Mexican journalist Dolía Estévez said it referred to drug cartels.

It portends a further souring of relations between Mexico and Trump, who partly built his election campaign on vilifying Mexicans and promising to make the southern neighbour pay for a border wall.

Peña Nieto called off a trip to Washington last week after Trump tweeted that it was not worth coming unless paying for the wall was on the agenda. Trump and Peña Nieto ended up speaking on 27 January by telephone and reportedly agreed not to speak publicly about who would pay. It was a conversation Peña Nieto’s office called “constructive and productive around the bilateral relationship”.

Mexico’s foreign ministry denied any threats were issued by Trump in his talks with Peña Nieto, saying in a statement on Tuesday evening that the information in Estévez’s report “didn’t correspond with reality”. It reiterated that the tone of the telephone conversations between Peña Nieto and Trump “was constructive”.

Some reporting suggested the transcript came from an internal White House summary of the phone call and was not a verbatim account – though the “bad hombres” reference reprises comments Trump made during the 2016 election campaign about evicting Mexican criminals from the US.

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Trump during the election campaign vows to rid US of ‘bad hombres’ – video
CNN had its own version of the conversation: “You have some pretty tough hombres in Mexico that you may need help with. We are willing to help with that big-league, but they have to be knocked out and you have not done a good job knocking them out.”

Estévez, who is based in Washington, reported earlier on Tuesday that Trump had “humiliated” Peña Nieto and threatened to slap import duties on Mexican-made goods to pay for a border wall.

Sources told Washington-based Estévez that Trump said: “I don’t need the Mexicans. I don’t need Mexico. I’m going to build a wall and you’re going to pay for it, like it or not.”

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Estévez wrote in the Mexican publication Proyecto Puente: “Trump signalled that Mexican soldiers are not doing a good job in combating narcotics trafficking and therefore suggested that he would have to send US troops to assume the duties of defeating the cartels.”

The Mexican military has battled drug cartels for a decade in a crackdown that has cost an estimated 200,000 lives and left another 25,000 people missing.

Mexico has captured dozens of cartel kingpins and increasingly extradited them to the United States – most recently two-time escapee Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán, who was sent north on the eve of Trump’s inauguration.

Talk of troops violating Mexican sovereignty stirs up strong emotions in Mexico, which lost half its territory – including California, Arizona and Nevada – in the Mexican-American war of the 1840s.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...aim-trump-threatened-to-send-troops-to-mexico
 
This guy is a lunatic:

President Trump Threatens to Send U.S. Troops to Mexico to Take Care of 'Bad Hombres'

(WASHINGTON) — President Donald Trump threatened in a phone call with his Mexican counterpart to send U.S. troops to stop "bad hombres down there" unless the Mexican military does more to control them itself, according to an excerpt of a transcript of the conversation obtained by The Associated Press.

The excerpt of the call did not make clear who exactly Trump considered "bad hombres," — drug cartels, immigrants, or both — or the tone and context of the remark, made in a Friday morning phone call between the leaders. It also did not contain Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto's response.

Still, the excerpt offers a rare and striking look at how the new president is conducting diplomacy behind closed doors. Trump's remark suggest he is using the same tough and blunt talk with world leaders that he used to rally crowds on the campaign trail.

A White House spokesman did not respond to requests for comment.

The phone call between the leaders was intended to patch things up between the new president and his ally. The two have had a series of public spats over Trump's determination to have Mexico pay for the planned border wall, something Mexico steadfastly refuses to agree to.

"You have a bunch of bad hombres down there," Trump told Pena Nieto, according to the excerpt seen by the AP. "You aren't doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn't, so I just might send them down to take care of it."

A person with access to the official transcript of the phone call provided an excerpt to The Associated Press. The person gave it on condition of anonymity because the administration did not make the details of the call public.

A Mexican reporter's similar account of Trump's comments was published on a Mexican website Tuesday. The reports described Trump as humiliating Pena Nieto in a confrontation conversation.

Mexico's foreign relations department denied that account, saying it "is based on absolute falsehoods."

"The assertions that you make about said conversation do not correspond to the reality of it," the statement said. "The tone was constructive and it was agreed by the presidents to continue working and that the teams will continue to meet frequently to construct an agreement that is positive for Mexico and for the United States."

Trump has used the phrase "bad hombres" before. In an October presidential debate, he vowed to get rid the U.S. of "drug lords" and "bad people."

"We have some bad hombres here, and we're going to get them out," he said. The phrase ricocheted on social media with Trump opponents saying he was denigrating immigrants.

Trump's comment was in line with the new administration's bullish stance on foreign policy matters in general, and the president's willingness to break long-standing norms around the globe.

Before his inauguration, Trump spoke to the president of Taiwan, breaking long-standing U.S. policy and irritating China. His temporary ban on refugees and travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries, aimed at reviewing screening procedures to lessen the threat of extremist attacks, has caused consternation around the world.

But nothing has created the level of bickering as the border wall, a centerpiece of his campaign. Mexico has consistently said it would not pay for the wall and opposes it. Before the phone call, Pena Nieto canceled a planned visit to the United States.

The fresh fight with Mexico last week arose over trade as the White House proposed a 20 percent tax on imports from the key U.S. ally to finance the wall after Pena Nieto abruptly scrapped his Jan. 31 trip to Washington.

The U.S. and Mexico conduct some $1.6 billion a day in cross-border trade, and cooperate on everything from migration to anti-drug enforcement to major environmental issues.

Trump tasked his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner — a real estate executive with no foreign policy experience — with managing the ongoing dispute, according to an administration official with knowledge of the call.

At a press conference with British Prime Minister Theresa May last week, Trump described his call with Pena Nieto as "friendly."

In a statement, the White House said the two leaders acknowledged their "clear and very public differences" and agreed to work through the immigration disagreement as part of broader discussions on the relationship between their countries.

http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-bad-hombres/

IMO Trump is not only lunatic, he is new Hitler.
 
It was Obama who attacked 7 countries last year. So far Trump has only attacked Yemen.


They were not "attacked" as a whole. The US did, however, target terrorists in these countries like ISIS (the vast majority of the activities were conducted in Syria and Iraq).
 
Man I like this guy.
He is really the new Caesar.

Please read a bit more (preferably a lot more) about Caesar first. Thanks.

Loudly announcing something is very different from putting it into operation....and seeing it through to success...and leading those grunts into battle yourself and willing to learn from all the defeats you encounter along the way.

I doubt Trump will achieve anything like Caesar did in Gaul against the odds. Trump is a business man with an inheritance....Caesar was a genuine military mind and one of the greatest military tacticians ever. They belong to different realms.
 
Could some one Tweet the White house and explain to Dump that Tom Clancy is a fiction writer and that there is no Jack Ryan
 
Looks like he is getting the results somehow.

Mexican forces kill drug cartel leader, 11 others

Juan Francisco Patron Sanchez, a regional leader of the Beltran Leyva cartel, was among those killed in the gun battle, said the Mexican government.



Mexican marines patrol the area after a gun battle in which the leader of the Beltran Leyva cartel, Juan Francisco Patron Sanchez, and several accomplices died in the exchange in Mexico.
Mexican authorities killed a drug cartel leader and 11 other gang suspects in clashes involving ground forces and a military helicopter that fired at the gunmen, officials said on Friday. Juan Francisco Patron Sanchez, a regional leader of the Beltran Leyva cartel, was among those killed in the gun battle late on Thursday in the Pacific coast state of Nayarit, the government said.

The navy said in a statement that the skirmish began when the gunmen used “high-caliber” weapons against federal forces who had been following the suspects in the town of Tepic.

“To reduce the level of aggression and lower the risk of death among civilians and federal forces, (troops) repelled the attack with the support of dissuasive fire from a helicopter,” the statement said.

A federal official told AFP it was a marine Black Hawk helicopter. Marines were involved in the initial attack and they were later joined by federal police and army troops, the official said on condition of anonymity.

The use of the helicopter allowed ground forces to “control the aggression, resulting in the death of eight suspected lawbreakers,” including Patron, the navy said.

Several rifles and handguns, as well as a grenade launcher, were seized.

Federal forces repelled a “second aggression” near Tepic’s airport, leaving four more suspects dead, the statement said.

None of the federal forces were hurt.

The interior ministry said Patron was the cartel’s leader in Nayarit and part of the neighboring state of Jalisco.

The region is also home to the powerful Jalisco New Generation drug cartel, which brought down a military helicopter with a rocket-propelled grenade in May 2015, killing seven soldiers and a policewoman.

Days after that clash, the federal police, backed by a Black Hawk helicopter, killed 42 New Generation suspects in Tanhuato, a town at the border of the states of Michoacan and Jalisco.

President Enrique Pena Nieto fired the federal police chief last year following allegations that at least 22 suspects were summarily executed in Tanhuato.

Nayarit also shares a border with the northwestern state of Sinaloa, where at least 21 people have been killed since last weekend, including a marine.

The powerful Sinaloa drug cartel used to be allies of the Beltran Leyva crime family, but the groups are now enemies.

The Beltran Leyvas have been weakened in recent years following the capture of kingpin Alfredo Beltran Leyva in 2008, the death of his brother, Arturo, in a shootout with troops in 2009, and the arrest of another sibling, Hector, in 2014.

Looks like Trump is making Mexico get some results!

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Looks like Trump is making Mexico get some results!

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It's all for show. Corruption in Mexico goes up to the highest levels in both the civilian government and the military. They will never get rid of the cartels as long as they are being paid off. And in any case, I don't think operations in Mexico have much to do with Trump.
 
It's all for show. Corruption in Mexico goes up to the highest levels in both the civilian government and the military. They will never get rid of the cartels as long as they are being paid off. And in any case, I don't think operations in Mexico have much to do with Trump.

Well I totally agree on the corruption. I even bet a rival cartel actually ordered the hit!
 

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