President Trump is good for India and bad for China, Pakistan. Here's why

[52051]

The WTO is a jew invention. WTO is also designed to destroy jobs in developed western countries, for undeveloped ones under the idea of helping the poor.

China also violates the WTO, so I wouldn't be against US leaving the WTO anyway.

China is rapidly devaluing its currency. Check its Currency Charts against the US dollar. Who wants to hold a devaluing currency? What companies does china have that have high profit margins?

“Huawei is the exact opposite. They are trying to claw themselves out of the low-end, low-margin into the higher range with you’d think beefier margins.”
I doubt Huawei can ever get profit margins like Apple, even though Apple is in decline.
All Huawei can do is go after other asian companies like Samsung, due to Samsung's terrible management.

China doesn't have good international car companies, doesn't have a high profit semiconductor industry, no airline industry. US will be stronger under trump.

In terms of total profits, Apple is only at 9th overall in the world whilst China's company enjoys 2nd/3rd/4th overall in Fortune 500 ranks.

And the exact reason Apple is against Trump is that it will hurt its profit to make to even further down the list.

The fact Apple is now slides to 4th largest mobile phone supplier positon instead of the top2 it were in China explain something, actually US try their best to ban Chinese mobile like Huawei to enter the US market.

beta.fortune global500(I cannot post link in this stupid forum)

And dont forget many mega state-owned company in China is not even list on this stupid american list.

The fact remains:

China is now the world largest properties market, largest automobile market, largest whatever commodity market, world largest retail market, having the world fastest computers, filed the most number of patents and and produce 10x more steel/10x more machinary than that of the USA.

80% of the so-called economy in the US is generating by wall street frauds, overpriced medial serivce and lawyers, its a paper house, comparing to China's economy where heavy industry output account for 1/2 of the entire world put together.

The US is only backed by credits and it will soon be gone, go get a clue, the only reason RMB devalue is because, thanks to the jew wall street "elites" you hate very much, they have manage to control this distorted world money system where the US benefits the most, and it is a legcy system that could not reflate the huge power balance shift occurs now.

So guess what? to hell with the US dollar, nobody will be more happier than Chinese, and Trump will definitly help China accomplish this, since he has already pissed out middle east oil suppliers and many european states, so it will make China an easy job to finish the dollar's unworthy status off.

So in a trade war, the US will be outweighted and outclassed by China and it will demonstrate to the world who is the boss sooner rather than later.

Don't get me wrong, I dont think Hillary is any better, at least Trump is not a criminal, your election is a joke and everyone, include you, know that, and China will claim the number 1 spot regardless of who elected in the US, althrough the two joking candidates this round will certainly accerlate the process.

 

[forsigmar]

In terms of total profits, Apple is only at 9th overall in the world whilst China's company enjoys 2nd/3rd/4th overall in Fortune 500 ranks.

And the exact reason Apple is against Trump is that it will hurt its profit to make to even further down the list.

The fact Apple is now slides to 4th largest mobile phone supplier positon instead of the top2 it were in China explain something, actually US try their best to ban Chinese mobile like Huawei to enter the US market.

beta.fortune global500(I cannot post link in this stupid forum)

And dont forget many mega state-owned company in China is not even list on this stupid american list.

The fact remains:

China is now the world largest properties market, largest automobile market, largest whatever commodity market, world largest retail market, having the world fastest computers, filed the most number of patents and and produce 10x more steel/10x more machinary than that of the USA.

80% of the so-called economy in the US is generating by wall street frauds, overpriced medial serivce and lawyers, its a paper house, comparing to China's economy where heavy industry output account for 1/2 of the entire world put together.

The US is only backed by credits and it will soon be gone, go get a clue, the only reason RMB devalue is because, thanks to the jew wall street "elites" you hate very much, they have manage to control this distorted world money system where the US benefits the most, and it is a legcy system that could not reflate the huge power balance shift occurs now.

So guess what? to hell with the US dollar, nobody will be more happier than Chinese, and Trump will definitly help China accomplish this, since he has already pissed out middle east oil suppliers and many european states, so it will make China an easy job to finish the dollar's unworthy status off.

So in a trade war, the US will be outweighted and outclassed by China and it will demonstrate to the world who is the boss sooner rather than later.

Don't get me wrong, I dont think Hillary is any better, at least Trump is not a criminal, your election is a joke and everyone, include you, know that, and China will claim the number 1 spot regardless of who elected in the US, althrough the two joking candidates this round will certainly accerlate the process.

China has 3 trillion in reserves, and is also cooperating with the Global elites in devaluing its currency. US de-industrialization is due to this. China can continue to push steel and export it around the world... until everyone starts to block Chinese trade. See Brexit/Trump/Euro steel tariffs unrest as due to partly to Chinese dumping products. On oil, US has its own oil development, and is not surrounded by unstable countries. While China is dependent on middle east oil, has internal civil unrest, and people joining the syrian civil war from Xinjiang. China is also involved in the Sudan Civil war. On middle east oil suppliers being pissed off. Look at how this Saudi prince insulted Trump, then came begging back right after. Its hilarious.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/09/saudi-prince-congratulates-trump/


President elect @realDonaldTrump whatever the past differences, America has spoken, congratulations & best wishes for your presidency.

— الوليد بن طلال (@Alwaleed_Talal) November 9, 2016

Back in December 2015, the Saudi prince acted as if he was in a position to direct U.S. politicians.

.@realDonaldTrump
You are a disgrace not only to the GOP but to all America.

Withdraw from the U.S presidential race as you will never win.

— الوليد بن طلال (@Alwaleed_Talal) December 11, 2015



US blocks Chinese phones, and China blocks google, and forces US tech companies to transfer technology and to build things in china. US has a massive trade deficit with China.

According to the list you posted. All companies on the list, largest 20 companies in the world, from China are State Owned Corporations. US doesn't have a single state owned corporation other than once bailed out GM. I don't believe state owned chinese companies are going to do that well in the future. No one not even chinese people will invest in their stock market.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kennethkim/2015/10/01/chinese-stock-markets-do-not-matter/#41f459bc50df

"China is now the world largest properties market, largest automobile market, largest whatever commodity market, world largest retail market"

Soooo..... all china has a massive property bubble, this is going to go well, largest automobile market, like the automarket a bubble, and "commodity" market. This is funny, because commodity prices are at record lows. Shipping container prices are also imploding. So china with its massive capacity doesn't matter anymore. China's so called internal demand is also funny. China just isn't gonna replace the US consumer sector, ever. Now that the US middle class is dead, China's factories are going to run idle.

Chinese Graduates Say No Thanks to Factory Jobs

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/25/b...ise-in-china-office-jobs-fail-to-keep-up.html

“The best is a government job; you have job security and a retirement fund,” Mr. Wang said.

So basically chinese youth want to be like Japan and America's democrat party, a nice government job maybe at a state owned firm with a nice pension. Its all nice and dandy until profits decline, cuz you can't steal any more tech from the west and the economy goes deadspin and Xi starts looking for a personality cult for stability.

 

[52051]

China has 3 trillion in reserves, and is also cooperating with the Global elites in devaluing its currency. US de-industrialization is due to this. China can continue to push steel and export it around the world... until everyone starts to block Chinese trade. See Brexit/Trump/Euro steel tariffs unrest as due to partly to Chinese dumping products. On oil, US has its own oil development, and is not surrounded by unstable countries. While China is dependent on middle east oil, has internal civil unrest, and people joining the syrian civil war from Xinjiang. China is also involved in the Sudan Civil war. On middle east oil suppliers being pissed off. Look at how this Saudi prince insulted Trump, then came begging back right after. Its hilarious.

So you admit they are pissed now, good, thanks for prove my point.

US blocks Chinese phones, and China blocks google, and forces US tech companies to transfer technology and to build things in china. US has a massive trade deficit with China.

But China also buy your worthless bonds to keep your broken country afloat, thats a deal you dont get?

According to the list you posted. All companies on the list, largest 20 companies in the world, from China are State Owned Corporations. US doesn't have a single state owned corporation other than once bailed out GM. I don't believe state owned chinese companies are going to do that well in the future. No one not even chinese people will invest in their stock market.

Chinese invest alot of in their stock market and actually the only reason no one else invested in Chinese stock market is China BAN ANY FOREIGN INVESTORS there.

And Guess what, despite of the ban, there are two-sigma, citieal whatever other famous wall street trading or stealing firm sneak their business in China's stock market through various means.

You know, you have proven once again you get zero clue.

But I have to give that to you, still China's finanical fraud business is nowhere comparable to you, the indisputable world champion in this area, so cheer up!

"China is now the world largest properties market, largest automobile market, largest whatever commodity market, world largest retail market"

Soooo..... all china has a massive property bubble, this is going to go well, largest automobile market, like the automarket a bubble, and "commodity" market. This is funny, because commodity prices are at record lows. Shipping container prices are also imploding. So china with its massive capacity doesn't matter anymore. China's so called internal demand is also funny. China just isn't gonna replace the US consumer sector, ever. Now that the US middle class is dead, China's factories are going to run idle.

LOL, typical retarded american wishful thoughts, guess what? China's rule is you HAVE TO PAY 35% of the deal in CASH to buy your FIRST HOUSE, AND 70%+ of the deal IN CASH FOR ANYMORE HOUSE YOU PLAN TO BUY, and ONE CAN ONLY BUY AT MOST TWO HOUSES, and you cant use leavage there.

So where is the bubble? you mean your bubbles there?

Chinese Graduates Say No Thanks to Factory Jobs

“The best is a government job; you have job security and a retirement fund,” Mr. Wang said.

So basically chinese youth want to be like Japan and America's democrat party, a nice government job maybe at a state owned firm with a nice pension. Its all nice and dandy until profits decline, cuz you can't steal any more tech from the west and the economy goes deadspin and Xi starts looking for a personality cult for stability.

In contracts, most americans prefer to work in law firm or wall street startup to provide overpriced law consulting service or advanced financial fraud products, this sure explain why america is so great in the future.

Btw I just checked Trump's policy I LOL@this stupid set of "policy" it is definitely the recpite for disaster:

He will cut tax (mostly for the rich LOL)
He will increase defence expense (mostly for the rich again, LOL)
He will not retreat from East Asia and increase the US presense in Europe and Middle East, so basically he wont back down on any front (LOL)

And the only I want to ask is: Where is the money? basically this dumbass try to decrease income while vastly increase expense at the time the US is almost buried by debt, LOL

His policy is full of shit and just by looking at his stupid "policy" or rather the lack of it, I would not be surprised by the end of his term, the US will already be gone forever.

 

[forsigmar]

So you admit they are pissed now, good, thanks for prove my point.



But China also buy your worthless bonds to keep your broken country afloat, thats a deal you simpleton dont get?



Chinese invest alot of in their stock market and actually the only reason no one else invested in Chinese stock market is China BAN ANY FOREIGN INVESTORS there.

And Guess what, despite of the ban, there are two-sigma, citieal whatever other famous wall street trading or stealing firm sneak their business in China's stock market through various means.

You know, you have proven once again you get zero clue.

But I have to give that to you, still China's finanical fraud business is nowhere comparable to you, the indisputable world champion in this area, so cheer up!



LOL, typical retarded american wishful thoughts, guess what? China's rule is you HAVE TO PAY 35% of the deal in CASH to buy your FIRST HOUSE, AND 70%+ of the deal IN CASH FOR ANYMORE HOUSE YOU PLAN TO BUY, and ONE CAN ONLY BUY AT MOST TWO HOUSES, and you cant use leavage there.

So where is the bubble? you mean your bubbles there?



In contracts, most americans prefer to work in law firm or wall street startup to develop advanced consulting service or financial fraud products, this sure explain why america is so great in the future.

Yup, china with its largest companies all state owned corporations like the Soviet Union and the entire net worth of families are put into a bunch of ghost cities. Chinese Youth want to work for government pensions. Factories are at over capacity. Stock markets are untrusted by most Chinese. What a great future.

 

[52051]

Yup, china with its largest companies all state owned corporations like the Soviet Union and the entire net worth of families are put into a bunch of ghost cities. Chinese Youth want to work for government pensions. Factories are at over capacity. Stock markets are untrusted by most Chinese. What a great future.

So many wishful thoughts I dont even know where to begin...

The west prediction, or rather wishful thoughts actually, on China have been CONSISTENTLY wrong it know have a veryy strong staticially significant predictive power on China's future, through negatively correlated lol.

Just keep telling to yourself, with a country full of debts, lawyers and finanical cheaters, lead by a president know nothing at all, your country sure have a very bright future.

Everyone know how american runs a country now:

If your economy is OK:

(1)Cut rich men's tax
(2)Increase defence spending

If your economy is in deep shit:
(1)Cut rich men's tax even further
(2)Increase defence spending even further

Hahaha, so I guess everyone can be a economy speciallist in the US

 

[forsigmar]

So many wishful thoughts I dont even know where to begin...

The west prediction, or rather wishful thoughts actually, on China have been CONSISTENTLY wrong it know have a veryy strong staticially significant predictive power on China's future, through negatively correlated lol.

Just keep telling to yourself, with a country full of lawyers, finanical cheaters, and a president know nothing, your country sure have a very bright future.

Right. China such a "honest" country, where mothers have to buy milk powder in Hong Kong, where wholesalers defraud you and then go bankrupt and start a company with a new name, and countries have to hack US for tech, where GDP numbers are made up and they start asking US for help on their stock market
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...plunge-protection-playbook-its-market-crashed.

Yes, our president was elected and Not chosen in some kind of back room deal of the CCP.
LOL

 

[52051]

Good, I am done with this, we all know who have more solid evidence now, there is little point to try to argue with someone who is in denial, good bye.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Nobody in China cares what trump can do to China, since he can do nothing without backfire themselves serverly, so stop always try to pitting China against trump-america to claim a ww3 is coming or so.

+45% tax on everything imported from China? Good, thats against WTO rule and go ahead and feel free to try that, thats basically means the US will not honor the treats they signed.

Considering the fact US dollar is a credit-based currency, backed by two things, one is oil (he pissed alots of middle east oil suppliers) and the other is the stable of trade.

With that kind of illogical nonsense US can say good bye to the US dollar world reserve currency status and give it to RMB instead, so he actually do alot of good to China.

So stop putting nonsense about how trump will do China whatever shit, China now account for half of the world industry and is size larger than the US, the US can do nothing without burn themselves, regardless of Trump or Hillary or whatever.

Is anything, the Trump's us will retreat from asia, giving up the so-called TPP and Pivoting (which are all obama/hillary's legacy specially targeting China and failed miserably not because they have not tried, but because the US dont have that power), and Trump's economy policy wont do much to China either.

So I only see postive things from a trump victory: Majority rights matter more than minority's rights, Great Power should care themselves more, cares lesser powers less.

The world has been fooled by Commuism nonsense of international working class union and Democrazy nonsense like multi-cutlurism whatever bullshit for too long, and ironially both are jew invention.

This thread is mostly Indian obsession with Pakistan & China and their reliance on USA to flight its regional battle against the two countries.

 

[Mitro]

With china US is nothing china just have to start buying gold in billions and US dollar go down the drain.
Bye bye super Power No money for overseas military bases no money to corrupt the countries no money to ngo"s no money influence anybody .
No money no influence

 

[livingdead]

trump is a very good actor and a lier, his policies will be nothing like what he promised to his people. I think the old video in which he calls republicans dumb is the real Trump.

 

[T-72]

your election is a joke

says a Chinese who has never voted in his life, whose authoritarian government hasn't ever, and won't ever give him the privilege of exercising that power.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Dude he is great for Pakistan what is this BS.

 

[forsigmar]

Good, I am done with this, we all know who have more solid evidence now, there is little point to try to argue with someone who is in denial, good bye.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/investing/china-wang-jianlin-real-estate-bubble/
Billionaire: Chinese real estate is 'biggest bubble in history'

China's Donald Trump.
Chinese billionaire Wang Jianlin made his fortune in the country's real estate market -- and now he's warning that it's spiraling out of control.

Is he in Denial too?

 

[52051]

Billionaire: Chinese real estate is 'biggest bubble in history'

China's Donald Trump.
Chinese billionaire Wang Jianlin made his fortune in the country's real estate market -- and now he's warning that it's spiraling out of control.

Is he in Denial too?

Well, different standards:

Yeah, pay 70% of the property before you can even ask for any kind of loan when you want to buy a property is considered big bubble by China's standard.

While in the wild west america where day-dreams come true, thanks to wall street "genius"'s countless financial "inventions", pay 1% of the property and ask a highly leavaged loan to pay the rest 99% is considered as AAA+ business.

 

[H!TchHiker]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...a-pakistan-heres-why/articleshow/55329942.cms

Donald Trump is at the Oval Office and the big question on India's mind is how should it open up to an American president who mimicked an Indian call centre worker in one of his campaign speeches?

Trump, in most of his campaign speeches, has railed against outsourcing, and has vowed to right trade imbalances of the sort that India currently enjoys with the US.

But Trump couldn't be all that bad for India, says former US diplomat William H Avery. Infact, the billionaire could be more of a problem for China and Pakistan, he adds.

Double whammy for China

China and Pakistan, Avery says, have been using the US as a cash cow for decades: China by running a huge trade surplus ($366 billion in 2015); Pakistan by soaking up US aid (more than $30 billion since 2002), while pretending to fight radical Islam. All signs indicate that Trump would cut down on the flow of cash to both these countries.


seen rapid growth in its manufacturing sector over the same period. Trump is electorally committed to bringing a material number of lost manufacturing jobs back to the US; the only way he can do so will be to offset Asia’s (especially China’s) labour cost advantage in manufacturing with a combination of tariff and non-tariff barriers.

Such a move would come at the worst possible time for China, when a decades-long credit-fuelled investment boom may finally be turning to bust. For China, the potential outcomes of a trade war with the US range from sharply slower growth (best case scenario) to outright recession, which in turn could spark political unrest and, in a worst case scenario, revolution.

Would India lose some technology and outsourcing jobs if Trump Administration abandons US free trade policies? Perhaps, though it is harder to slap a tariff on a piece of code coming over the internet from Hyderabad than on a piece of machinery coming over the ocean from Shanghai. Regardless, in the zero-sum great game of Asian powers, China’s loss is India’s gain. And China stands to lose big under President Trump.

Bad news for Pakistan
India’s other troublesome neighbour, Avery says, is also set to be a big loser in a post-election shake-up of US relations in Asia. Trump has called Pakistan “probably the most dangerous [country]” and has said that “you have to get India involved; India is the check to Pakistan… I would start talking at that level very very quickly”. This statement is a sharp reversal of tone from presidential candidates toward India-Pakistan relationship. Just eight years ago, Barack Obama was hinting at the US mediating in Kashmir.

Since then, as president, he has avoided talk of mediation and stuck to the long-standing Washington script of simply encouraging the two sides to “improve their bilateral relations”. Now, however, the man who could be Obama’s successor is tossing out that script and saying, in effect, Pakistan is a problem, and India is part of the solution to that problem: a profound humiliation for Islamabad.

Trump would be more likely than any of his recent predecessors to try to influence Pakistan’s policy by threatening to cut off US aid. Trump implied as much when commenting on the case of Dr Shakil Afridi, who infuriated Pakistan’s government for allegedly helping the CIA definitively locate Osama bin Laden in 2011; Afridi has languished in a Pakistan jail ever since. "I think I would get him out in two minutes. I would tell them, ‘let him out’ and I’m sure they’d let him out, because we give a lot of aid to Pakistan," said Trump.

And people really believe that Trump can initiate an economic war with China ? or impose tariff of 45% that is what he said during election campaign . Question is how the then US will bear counter measures :

1) In areas of education and tourism where Chinese students and travelers add $28 billion dollars surplus to the American industry ....?..

2) Tesla Motors, Tommy Hilfiger , Oracle, GE , MS will afford to loose 1.4 billion consumer market ?

3) Accusing China of Currency war by keeping it low. How weak that argument is, what if China starts sell its 1.2 trillion dollar investment in American bonds ? this is what you called a currency war.

4) More than 500 Billion dollar stock held by Chinese investors ...What if they start to dis-invest?

5) Obsession from Indian whose country is the biggest recipient of US aid from 1946 to 2012 i.e 65 Billion USD. Atleast china is not getting aid like self proclaimed superpower.

6) Aid to pakistan is just a peanut in last year also. 300 Million USD was not sanctioned. How did it effect Pakistan ?In fact it is good if Trump put a full stop on all the aid. Tell me how would it effect Pakistan then ?

7) This shows the incapability in India to deal with China or Pakistan now wishing Trump to do there Job..Good Luck

China is economic reality like it or not US can't play with them ..Election is over trump has to face reality now.