PRESIDENT ERDOĞAN CELEBRATES HANUKKAH DAY

[al-Hasani]

You are insultingly wrong about Turkey not doing anything for Palestinians.

I'm not going to waste any words. You can do your research yourself and compare what the whole Arab world has done for Palestine and what Turkey has done in terms of investment and help.

Sure. Oh, poor you. You are the last person to talk about insults and nothing I wrote are "insults".

Anyway you already admitted, in post 26, that's it's about Turkish interests and that's just the message I want to spread to our own lot of which a few are still sheep in this regard. But anyway this goes for the entire Muslim world.

 

[atatwolf]

Sure. Oh, poor you. You are the last person to talk about insults and nothing I wrote are "insults".

Anyway you already admitted, in post 26, that's it's about Turkish interests and that's just the message I want to spread to our own lot of which a few are still sheep in this regard. But anyway this goes for the entire Muslim world.

Nor have you answered (or anyone else for that matter) why Arabs should trust Erdogan and his friends and their visions in regards to the Arab world. Visions that are solely about Turkish influence. Like we don't have Farsis, Americans and what not already doing that bit.

Pan-Arabism is dead. The last 100 years has proven that it was a pseudo theory created by the west to destroy the region. We need to move on now and take out the elements who want to halt the progress of the region.

 

[al-Hasani]

Pan-Arabism is dead. The last 100 years has proven that it was a pseudo theory created by the west to destroy the region. We need to move on now and take out the elements who want to halt the progress of the region.

Pan-Turkism is dead. The last 100 years has proven that it was a pseudo theory created by the west to destroy the region. We need to move on now and take out the elements who want to halt the progress of the region.

Anyway you have not answered (or anyone else for that matter) why Arabs should trust Erdogan and his friends and their visions in regards to the Arab world? Visions that are solely about Turkish influence. Like we don't have Farsis, Americans and what not already doing that bit. Also you can insult all Muslims leaders (all Arab leaders included) as I consider every single one of them to be incompetent nor do I care about them.

The Arab-hater in action again. Like we have not seen your and your friends comments in this regard. Quit the comedy.

 

[atatwolf]

Pan-Turkism is dead. The last 100 years has proven that it was a pseudo theory created by the west to destroy the region. We need to move on now and take out the elements who want to halt the progress of the region.

Anyway you have not answered (or anyone else for that matter) why Arabs should trust Erdogan and his friends and their visions in regards to the Arab world? Visions that are solely about Turkish influence. Like we don't have Farsis, Americans and what not already doing that bit. Also you can insult all Muslims leaders (all Arab leaders included) as I consider every single one of them to be incompetent nor do I care about them.

The Arab-hater in action again. Like we have not seen your and your friends comments in this regard. Quit the comedy.

Luckily it is not up to you. We have won the hearts of Palestinians. They have seen that Turks are good people with good intentions while the bideoun mentality is something different which I won't spell out here. Palestinian benefit is our benefit. That is why we invest there and provide all kind of help while the KSA and the likes don't care at all for the people suffering in Syria, Palestine and the region. You first need to learn to not talk for all Arabs. There are arabs in Turkey who would strangle you for the things you said here about Turkey. People like you are halting the progress of the region with your hate for the Turks. It is up to the Syrians, Palestinians and other Arabs to decide their fate. I think we can all agree that the bideoun mentality has destroyed the region in the las t 100 years. I think people throughout the region want to see a change. If people want to halt this process they will be put to justice. The region will see a golden age again with the will of the faithful.

 

[al-Hasani]

Luckily it is not up to you. We have won the hearts of Palestinians. They have seen that Turks are good people with good intentions while the bideoun mentality is something different which I won't spell out here. Palestinian benefit is our benefit. That is why we invest there and provide all kind of help while the KSA and the likes don't care at all for the people suffering in Syria, Palestine and the region. You first need to learn to not talk for all Arabs. There are arabs in Turkey who would strangle you for the things you said here about Turkey. People like you are halting the progress of the region with your hate for the Turks. It is up to the Syrians, Palestinians and other Arabs to decide their fate. I think we can all agree that the bideoun mentality has destroyed the region in the las t 100 years. I think people throughout the region want to see a change. If people want to halt this process they will be put to justice. The region will see a golden age again with the will of the faithful.

Your likes can't even fool a teenage girl with PMS. Rather focus on the Uyghur's or creating a Turkic Union for once. No Arabs want anything to do with an Arab-hater other than giving him a deserved "welcome".

 

[xenon54 out]

JEW Erdogan.

 

[atatwolf]

Your likes can't even fool a teenage girl with PMS. Rather focus on the Uyghur's or creating a Turkic Union for once. No Arabs want anything to do with an Arab-hater other than giving him a deserved "welcome".

2 meter baby

 

[usernameless]

To be honest, i wouldnt be surprised if Erdogan deep down doesn't give a crap about 'brotherhood' with Arabs or anyone under the disguise of Islam. akp/Erdogan is liberal, somewhere along the likes of Germany's and the Netherlands' respective CDU and CDA, and uses Islam as a tool to embrace the majority of the population and also to win the hearts of the Arabs and other muslims. After all, winning the hearts is good for attracting business, winning influence and developing an image. In the meanwhile trade and/or co-op is still continuing with Israel, the west and nato, which are shunned by smaller yet very pro-Islamic Turkish parties, the real 'mullahs' of Turkey. i rather believe Erdogan is after $$$ and influence, be it the average guy on the street or types like Morsi, in order to win a piece of the market share in the ME, which would have been harder/impossible to achieve without using the Islam card, than to believe that he truly sees himself as the champion of Islam and do anything to save muslims (sunnis) no matter what, which he obviously doesn't if it's not worth the risks as has been shown. Erdogan is a sly smart fox who knows how to play this Islamic card well. i think we, Turks and Arabs, shouldn't be proud of the given humanitarian aid, because it seems everybody is doing it for their own image, prestige and influence in the end while the Palestinians will keep suffering while others will try to make the most over their back. If all these countries were seriously interested in protecting the Palestinians, there would have been a common front diplomatic, economical and military wise from Arab countries to Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia etc, but still such a front is nowhere to be seen and probably never will come.

OT: better than nothing, i guess.

 

[Special Delivery]

I really hope your are right brother, the fact that Erdogan has so many links with Muslim Brotherhood is absolutely nauseating to me and many Turkic nationalists across the world. We would like to see cooperation with the Arab world, but not in the manner that the Syrian case has been handled. We should keep out of their internal affairs.

 

[al-Hasani]

To be honest, i wouldnt be surprised if Erdogan deep down doesn't give a crap about 'brotherhood' with Arabs or anyone under the disguise of Islam. akp/Erdogan is liberal, somewhere along the likes of Germany's and the Netherlands' respective CDU and CDA, and uses Islam as a tool to embrace the majority of the population and also to win the hearts of the Arabs and other muslims. After all, winning the hearts is good for attracting business, winning influence and developing an image. In the meanwhile trade and/or co-op is still continuing with Israel, the west and nato, which are shunned by smaller yet very pro-Islamic Turkish parties, the real 'mullahs' of Turkey. i rather believe Erdogan is after $$$ and influence, be it the average guy on the street or types like Morsi, in order to win a piece of the market share in the ME, which would have been harder/impossible to achieve without using the Islam card, than to believe that he truly sees himself as the champion of Islam and do anything to save muslims (sunnis) no matter what, which he obviously doesn't if it's not worth the risks as has been shown. Erdogan is a sly smart fox who knows how to play this Islamic card well. i think we, Turks and Arabs, shouldn't be proud of the given humanitarian aid, because it seems everybody is doing it for their own image, prestige and influence in the end while the Palestinians will keep suffering while others will try to make the most over their back. If all these countries were seriously interested in protecting the Palestinians, there would have been a common front diplomatic, economical and military wise from Arab countries to Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia etc, but still such a front is nowhere to be seen and probably never will come.

OT: better than nothing, i guess.

Finally a person that speaks the truth or at least large parts of it.

People like Atatwolf (open anti-Arabs) are trying to fool the likes of Falcon29 whenever Palestine is discussed but on other topics they are writing bullshit about Arabs. Nobody likes such people. That's not the type of relations that anybody wants with any people. I know that Atatwolf is some teenager that lives in the Netherlands and that does not speak for Turks but he has his followers on PDF in this regard. That's unfortunate.

My impression is also (now I am being honest) that more Turks have a problem with Arabs than vice versa.

Nothing that I have written in this thread was a criticism of Turks as a people but rather Erdogan and his friends. I even mentioned that all Muslim leaders are similar and rather incompetent.

Anyway at least you guys elected your own leaders and if one is harsh one can say that you are responsible for what your leaders are doing. People in the GCC can't say that or much of the Arab world.

 

[atatwolf]

To be honest, i wouldnt be surprised if Erdogan deep down doesn't give a crap about 'brotherhood' with Arabs or anyone under the disguise of Islam. akp/Erdogan is liberal, somewhere along the likes of Germany's and the Netherlands' respective CDU and CDA, and uses Islam as a tool to embrace the majority of the population and also to win the hearts of the Arabs and other muslims. After all, winning the hearts is good for attracting business, winning influence and developing an image. In the meanwhile trade and/or co-op is still continuing with Israel, the west and nato, which are shunned by smaller yet very pro-Islamic Turkish parties, the real 'mullahs' of Turkey. i rather believe Erdogan is after $$$ and influence, be it the average guy on the street or types like Morsi, in order to win a piece of the market share in the ME, which would have been harder/impossible to achieve without using the Islam card, than to believe that he truly sees himself as the champion of Islam and do anything to save muslims (sunnis) no matter what, which he obviously doesn't if it's not worth the risks as has been shown. Erdogan is a sly smart fox who knows how to play this Islamic card well. i think we, Turks and Arabs, shouldn't be proud of the given humanitarian aid, because it seems everybody is doing it for their own image, prestige and influence in the end while the Palestinians will keep suffering while others will try to make the most over their back. If all these countries were seriously interested in protecting the Palestinians, there would have been a common front diplomatic, economical and military wise from Arab countries to Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia etc, but still such a front is nowhere to be seen and probably never will come.

OT: better than nothing, i guess.

Everybody has to do their part. It is unreasonable to put all the weight on Turkey's back as a non-Arab country when organisations like the Arab league is not doing anything because all Arabs in the middle-east don't care about Palestinians. All we can do is our part as humans. We can't push to change all Arabs and to be a common front. We don't have the soft power. Middle-east can only be ruled by hard power. This has never changed.

I really hope your are right brother, the fact that Erdogan has so many links with Muslim Brotherhood is absolutely nauseating to me and many Turkic nationalists across the world. We would like to see cooperation with the Arab world, but not in the manner that the Syrian case has been handled. We should keep out of their internal affairs.

In Syria they screwed up. Largely thanks to the US. They showed support for the opposition of Assad and wanted Turkey to join. After that the US pulled their support and left Turkey with all this mess. All we can do is learn from this mistake and learn lessons so we don't make the same mistake in the future.

 

[al-Hasani]

Everybody has to do their part. It is unreasonable to put all the weight on Turkey's back as a non-Arab country when organisations like the Arab league is not doing anything because all Arabs in the middle-east don't care about Palestinians. All we can do is our part as humans. We can't push to change all Arabs and be a common front. We don't have the soft power. Middle-east can only be ruled by hard power. This has never changed.

LOL, even when people are serious you can't stop the trolling. Did an Arab in the Netherlands steal your girlfriend? What's the matter?

Saying that Arabs have done nothing for Palestinians throughout history is like saying that the earth is the center of the universe. Just stop.

Let users such as @Frogman or @Mahmoud_EGY tell about the Egyptian sacrifices in regards to the Palestinians for instance. That's 1 Arab country out of 22. Even tiny Comoros and their people have donated to this cause and they live in the Southern Hemisphere.

Depending on your ideology then many people actually do not give a crap about ethnicity (some people do not even recognize such a thing and some science tend to agree) but look at things from an Islamic viewpoint. Especially quite a few Arabs. Most don't distinguish between a Muslim Turk and a Muslim Mauritanian for instance. Both are "his friends" so to speak. Especially Palestinians as they need all the help they can get. Hence many of them having an Pan-Islamic approach.

 

[atatwolf]

LOL, even when people are serious you can't stop the trolling. Did an Arab in the Netherlands steal your girlfriend? What's the matter?

Saying that Arabs have done nothing for Palestinians throughout history is like saying that the earth is the center of the universe. Just stop.

Let users such as @Frogman or @Mahmoud_EGY tell about the Egyptian sacrifices in regards to the Palestinians for instance. That's 1 Arab country out of 22. Even tiny Comoros and their people have donated to this cause and they live in the Southern Hemisphere.

Depending on your ideology then many people actually do not give a crap about ethnicity (some people do not even recognize such a thing and some science tend to agree) but look at things from an Islamic viewpoint. Especially quite a few Arabs. Most don't distinguish between a Muslim Turk and a Muslim Mauritanian for instance. Both are "his friends" so to speak.

You have to be more careful when reading. I said Arab league hasn't done anything. If Arabs can't form a front. What can Turkey do? Turkey wanted to form a front with democratically elected Morsi's Egypt, everything went down south with Pan-Arabs taking over and putting the country in chaos. Now Egypt is surviving off the hand outs of Americans and in return the shut the door on the face of the Palestinians. Without the billions of aid Egypt is getting. People would starve. What Turkey can do in these situations is very limited. People like Hazzy understands this because there are a lot of reasonable Arabs. Syrians, Palestinians, Arabs in Turkey and Arabs throughout the region can understand this. The appreciate the help they have gotten. Turkey is doing their part but we can do only so much when others are not cooperating.

 

[al-Hasani]

You have to be more careful when reading. I said Arab league hasn't done anything. If Arabs can't form a front. What can Turkey do? Turkey wanted to form a front with democratically elected Morsi's Egypt, everything went down south with Pan-Arabs taking over and putting the country in chaos. Now Egypt is surviving off the hand outs of Americans and in return the shut the door on the face of the Palestinians. Without the billions of aid Egypt is getting. People would starve. What Turkey can do in these situations is very limited. People like Hazzy understands this because there are a lot of reasonable Arabs. Syrians, Palestinians, Arabs in Turkey and Arabs throughout the region can understand this. The appreciate the help they have gotten. Turkey is doing their part but we can do only so much when others are not cooperating.

Earlier you wrote Arabs. Try to distinguish between current day leaders (mostly unelected even!) that have their own problems to look after as 4 Arab countries are actually engulfed in civil wars (Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen) and earlier times or Arabs as a people. Thousands of Arab soldiers and volunteers from across the Arab world died for the Palestinian cause. No other soldiers have done this. Not a single non-Arab country has ever went to war with Israel.

Nobody asks Turkey to do anything because quite frankly no Muslim country can do anything to Israel. Firstly they have nukes and they will use them if necessary (if their existence is threatened) and secondly they have the back of the US. Need I say more? What do you think would happen if Turkey had attacked Israel after those 8 Turkish activists were killed by Israeli soldiers? Be honest for once and avoid the TURKEY STRONK logic for once.

Understand that my criticism is not labelled at you (well other than you being an anti-Arab) or Turks as a people but the current leadership. In fact I don't have anything major against Erdogan if anything. I am just saying that he cares about his own interests and not Arabs. I don't believe that he cares about poor Kyrgyz people or oppressed Uzbeks either at the end of the day.

Why is Turkey not boycotting Israel then? Trade with Israel strengthens them. That's not something you do to an "enemy" that you really want to "deal with". Let's be honest.. What made the Apartheid system in South Africa collapse? Sanctions played a great role in this.

 

[usernameless]

I really hope your are right brother, the fact that Erdogan has so many links with Muslim Brotherhood is absolutely nauseating to me and many Turkic nationalists across the world. We would like to see cooperation with the Arab world, but not in the manner that the Syrian case has been handled. We should keep out of their internal affairs.

I agree too. We should put more effort on the Turkic world. Especially Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Azerbaijan seem to be really keen on reviving the Turkic sense, but it's a shame that our govt seems to be more interested in trying to win back influence in the ME, which is not bad from an economical point of view, but he pokes his nose too much in certain political affairs, with Syria being the biggest fail. We wouldn't like it if the Arabs or Iranians did the same, do we? In my opinion, if Erdogan's Islamic orientation could be swapped with a bigger Turkic vision, it probably would have been much better than now.