Poverty line and the trick game of governments !!!

[esolve]

your argument has very little of weight, indeed. Where do you live now? What do you work as?
without statistics, I myself can't point out among 90 million of Vietnamese, how many in poverty.
It's harder to have the same statistics among 1.4 billion of Chinese.

simply no statistics is reliable
can you tell me the methodology for estimating how many ppl are under poverty line?

 

[BoQ77]

it mostly depends how many disabled,old ppl or orphans are there in China
but
1) disabled ppl or old ppl may still have jobs or pensions
2) if they don't have jobs or enough pensions, they have government allowances, rural poor ppl get $30/month while city ppl get $60/month, and this allowance continues to grow

so the ppl under that lines are :
1) a few disabled/old/orphan ppl who have no jobs and don't know government policies (e.g, they have no relatives/friends who told them and a few local governments havn't done a responsible job to include them in)
2) some isolated areas where the ppl are lazy, religious and are not willing to work in the cities and enjoying the primary-style life

I don't how many of them, but it is never as many as 80 million

Do you mean this method of statistics is the best ?

 

[Viet]

Japan has 15-16% population under their own national poverty line.
Vietnam 14.5% population under their own national poverty line.

Vietnamese is richer than Japanese ? NO NO NO

We are not fools to be lied by our own govt.

Japan use higher standard to measure the poorness, our govt lied us to use 1.25 USD / person / day to measure the poorness.

no need to open a such thread like this. there is no point in comparing JP to VN.

 

[esolve]

Do you mean this method of statistics is the best ?

I was not giving statistics, I just use the reasoning to show the unreliability of that statistics.

 

[BoQ77]

I was not giving statistics, I just use the reasoning to show the unreliability of that statistics.

your reasons are nonsense.
Not only disabilities, oldies, orphans ...are poor.
And many of oldies are not poor

 

[BoQ77]

no need to open a such thread like this. there is no point in comparing JP to VN.

Many ( not only Vietnamese or Japanese ) confusing about what's poverty line.
I just want to make it clear for all to know well about their own problem.

 

[esolve]

your reasons are nonsense.
Not only disabilities, oldies, orphans ...are poor.
And many of oldies are not poor

did I say all oldies are poor? I MENTIONED some of them are with jobs/pensions
did I say only disabled/old/orphan ppl are poor? I mentioned lazy/religous ppl.

 

[Aepsilons]

Poverty is part of any society. But I would like to ask you guys a poignant question, albeit its more spiritual in form:

Let's say there is a fisherman, he makes $35,000 a year. Yet his family never starves, because of bountiful catches a day. Let's say he also owns a family rice plot , guaranteeing him that he gets 4 harvests a year with fresh rice. His wife also maintains a garden in the backyard, securing fresh produce during harvest season. This fisherman has 3 children; 2 sons and 1 daughter. His eldest son defers going to school and helps his father and learns his trade. His second son and his daughter go to school; his 2nd son wants to be an engineer, and daughter dreams to become a nurse someday. Included in their nuclear family is the fisherman's mother and father. The family eat together , share laughs, they are happy, content, and industrious.

Yet society and statistics declares them "poor". Is it really so? Yes, they may live in the lower threshold of the income bracket in Japan, but they're happy, content, and a cohesive family unit.

Something to ponder on, folks.

 

[BoQ77]

It's totally different in a household with 1.25$/person/day.

In countries, still adopt 1.25$ as poverty line, the household that you mentioned is not any poor.

 

[BoQ77]

did I say all oldies are poor? I MENTIONED some of them are with jobs/pensions
did I say only disabled/old/orphan ppl are poor? I mentioned lazy/religous ppl.

You have no way to check how much they earn.
If you have no alternative, you should depend on statistics.

 

[Viet]

Many ( not only Vietnamese or Japanese ) confusing about what's poverty line.
I just want to make it clear for all to know well about their own problem.

poverty is relative. a poor man/women in a wealthy country as germany has enough to eat and does not need to sleep on the street. the government sponsored social net saves the poor from falling into the darkness. Japan is a rich country having money for the poor, while Vietnam not.

 

[esolve]

You have no way to check how much they earn.
If you have no alternative, you should depend on statistics.

the reality is that the statistics is just not reliable, how do they estimate?

 

[BoQ77]

the reality is that the statistics is just not reliable, how do they estimate?

any method has accuracy, your way has so big big accuracy.

 

[esolve]

any method has accuracy, your way has so big big accuracy.

I ask you how do they estimate?
Since it is a report, so you should believe it?
that is ridiculous
there were tons of reports that "China will collapse next year" for so many years, does that happen?

what is the methodology?
as I told you, the methodology used is not reliable. They just randomly select some villagers and ask them the income
this is very very unreliable

 

[BoQ77]

can you help to find the official report from China govt ?
in my opinion, bad managed govts always make up to their performance.
Reduce the ratio of poverty people is one of those KPI.

While they keep so low standard for more people get out of poverty, they tried to make us believe in their good achievements.
No other could set the national standard of poverty instead of the govt of that nation.

I don't agree for some govt satisfying with low ratio of people has income under 1.25$ / person
It should be at least double of that, ie. 2.50$ or better 4.00$ / person.

Including Vietnam govt.

The govt must work harder, more performance.
They must feel shame on their bad management, high corruption rate in their nation.
While they find tons of cash and jade in some high ranking corrupted officials, there're hundred millions out there must satisfy with just 1-2$ / day.

Sorry to any who pro-govt. I'm just a normal guy, I oppose bad govts.