Post clashes trend for PAF and IAF

[sparten]

Once tensions simmer down, what are the likely future trajectories of PAF and IAF.
IAF is likely to finalise the Rafale purchase and order more. Would not be surprised if they go for Su-57 as well.
I also think they will upgrade their stand off and AEW capabiliti
They also need a wholesale review of their AD. So again more AEW and better ECCM.
The cat is out of the bag now as to just how good the latest Chinese ECM gear is so, expect them to try and counter.

PAF. I really hope they bring in J-31. While PAF's ability to penetrate Indians airspace, despite probably the least advantageous situation* has been confirmed, the lalajis will no dounbt try and improve. A low observable platform is needed.

The unsung heros of the strike were our UAV, some of which did recce pre-strike and guided our attackers. Need better investment. And need to get our space assets up to speed and by that I mean guve the PAF full control over space launchers, snatch the booster from the Army.

*Enemy on alert, in daytime and through some pretty thick AD nets.

 

[aziqbal]

Probably Rafale in the R4 configuration

Probably still get shot down by JF17 Block III

 

[HawkEye27]

Once tensions simmer down, what are the likely future trajectories of PAF and IAF.
IAF is likely to finalise the Rafale purchase and order more. Would not be surprised if they go for Su-57 as well.
I also think they will upgrade their stand off and AEW capabiliti
They also need a wholesale review of their AD. So again more AEW and better ECCM.
The cat is out of the bag now as to just how good the latest Chinese ECM gear is so, expect them to try and counter.

PAF. I really hope they bring in J-31. While PAF's ability to penetrate Indians airspace, despite probably the least advantageous situation* has been confirmed, the lalajis will no dounbt try and improve. A low observable platform is needed.

The unsung heros of the strike were our UAV, some of which did recce pre-strike and guided our attackers. Need better investment. And need to get our space assets up to speed and by that I mean guve the PAF full control over space launchers, snatch the booster from the Army.

*Enemy on alert, in daytime and through some pretty thick AD nets.

Sincere advice for Indians. Improve your training. Because the air duel has confirmed only one thing

“Its man behind the gun”

 

[Zulfiqar]

Have army family background so am not up to date on PAF. Hopefully that will change as have one sibling lined up for a career in aeronautical engg.

Below is all dependent upon future share in defence budget:

PAF should expedite Block 3 induction along with retrofitting of all Block 1/2s to block 3 config in next five years.

In any war sortie generation is key. Protection of key bases (Kamra, Sargodha, Jacobabad and KHI) should be enhanced by layering them up with long range SAMS backed by CIWS for protection of these SAMS.

Exports of JF-17 should be enhanced and profits should be used for R&D and for purchase of additional comm and ISR satellites so that those can be used to guide the drones/ guided weapons. PAF/IST/Suparco need to work on satellites and sub-components (we can use chinese launchers for now).

PAF needs to work on procuring HavaSOJ type assets to supplement our DA 20s and additional AEW assets backed by blimps carrying AEW equipment.

Ground based radars need to be replaced with AESA type assets.

Induction of Harop type drones (if not being done already) for SEAD/DEAD.

Study on swarm drones is being done. We need to expedite it considering below situation.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...us-india-collaborating-on-air-launched-drone/

Induction of additional drones in order to use them as assets similar to operation mole cricket 19 (if not being done already).

Procurement of more engines in order to enhance the inventory of cruise missiles.

Production/procurement of long range SDBs in order to target each individual hanger of enemy air force base.

K-8s need to be modified to carry hellfire/barq type missiles on multiple racks so that they can supplement attack helicopters in order to counter enemy ground offensive.

Additional R&D with Army for enhancing range of MLRS (a product is in pipeline) so that these can be used to target runways prior to air force strike ( I have heard something similar is in pipeline too).

I knew a guy who was researching on protection of key strategic assets from EMP attacks. Don't know the present status. Need more work on hardening key assets from EMP attacks along with creating an offensive ability in the same category.

Additional R&D in cyber warfare along with Army and Navy. This is a key priority considering stuxnet type attacks.

We have seen how fast this recent skirmish was. Next war would be way faster. We need to invest in assets that help in negating enemy's advantage on the very first day.

 

[Asian.Century]

What a sight it would be Rafale getting shot down by JF-17 Block III.

 

[Signalian]

Once tensions simmer down, what are the likely future trajectories of PAF and IAF.
IAF is likely to finalise the Rafale purchase and order more. Would not be surprised if they go for Su-57 as well.
I also think they will upgrade their stand off and AEW capabiliti
They also need a wholesale review of their AD. So again more AEW and better ECCM.
The cat is out of the bag now as to just how good the latest Chinese ECM gear is so, expect them to try and counter.

PAF. I really hope they bring in J-31. While PAF's ability to penetrate Indians airspace, despite probably the least advantageous situation* has been confirmed, the lalajis will no dounbt try and improve. A low observable platform is needed.

The unsung heros of the strike were our UAV, some of which did recce pre-strike and guided our attackers. Need better investment. And need to get our space assets up to speed and by that I mean guve the PAF full control over space launchers, snatch the booster from the Army.

*Enemy on alert, in daytime and through some pretty thick AD nets.

Have army family background so am not up to date on PAF. Hopefully that will change as have one sibling lined up for a career in aeronautical engg.

Below is all dependent upon future share in defence budget:

PAF should expedite Block 3 induction along with retrofitting of all Block 1/2s to block 3 config in next five years.

In any war sortie generation is key. Protection of key bases (Kamra, Sargodha, Jacobabad and KHI) should be enhanced by layering them up with long range SAMS backed by CIWS for protection of these SAMS.

Exports of JF-17 should be enhanced and profits should be used for R&D and for purchase of additional comm and ISR satellites so that those can be used to guide the drones/ guided weapons. PAF/IST/Suparco need to work on satellites and sub-components (we can use chinese launchers for now).

PAF needs to work on procuring HavaSOJ type assets to supplement our DA 20s and additional AEW assets backed by blimps carrying AEW equipment.

Ground based radars need to be replaced with AESA type assets.

Induction of Harop type drones (if not being done already) for SEAD/DEAD.

Study on swarm drones is being done. We need to expedite it considering below situation.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...us-india-collaborating-on-air-launched-drone/

Induction of additional drones in order to use them as assets similar to operation mole cricket 19 (if not being done already).

Procurement of more engines in order to enhance the inventory of cruise missiles.

Production/procurement of long range SDBs in order to target each individual hanger of enemy air force base.

K-8s need to be modified to carry hellfire/barq type missiles on multiple racks so that they can supplement attack helicopters in order to counter enemy ground offensive.

Additional R&D with Army for enhancing range of MLRS (a product is in pipeline) so that these can be used to target runways prior to air force strike ( I have heard something similar is in pipeline too).

I knew a guy who was researching on protection of key strategic assets from EMP attacks. Don't know the present status. Need more work on hardening key assets from EMP attacks along with creating an offensive ability in the same category.

Additional R&D in cyber warfare along with Army and Navy. This is a key priority considering stuxnet type attacks.

We have seen how fast this recent skirmish was. Next war would be way faster. We need to invest in assets that help in negating enemy's advantage on the very first day.

SSW is not in the equation anywhere

 

[Vortex]

@Signalian what SSW stand for ?
Thanks

 

[Signalian]

@Signalian what SSW stand for ?
Thanks

Special Services Wing.

Just like SSG of PA and SSG (N) of PN, SSW is SF of PAF.

 

[Yaseen1]

India end is near next time if conflict with india occur we should destroy isro and their space agency headquarters as they are creating space junk which is threat to whole world and international space station and I think world will support us on this

 

[Umair Nawaz]

nothing will change for us, we will keep going as planned for Blk3 later Blk4 and Project Azm running along side and due to be inducted in long run..

27 feb has shown that we r doing things right in Aviation and Airforce field.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Sincere advice for Indians. Improve your training. Because the air duel has confirmed only one thing

“Its man behind the gun”

If it were that easy no student would have failed, nothing would have remained in-invented....

You can't change the Fitret that easily...

nothing will change for us, we will keep going as planned for Blk3 later Blk4 and Project Azm running along side and due to be inducted in long run..

27 feb has shown that we r doing things right in Aviation and Airforce field.

The Indians are in a panic mode, so they'll make more mistakes.....

Rafael Bahane, Ambani Shahane....

 

[CrazyZ]

No Su-57 for IAF, there some kind of falling out on this project. Additional rafales and tejas for the IAF.

PAF will get JF17B3. I think the F-16's should be sold off to a third nation to buy even more JF17B3. Project AZM will be full swing. Possible Chinese acquisitions of J10 or J31, if forex situation improves. PN should consider Flankers.

 

[Zulfiqar]

SSW is not in the equation anywhere

We can't use them like 1965 considering such types of attacks can be countered quite easily nowadays. Further we would also need temporary air superiority for their deployment.

A better use will be deployment in small teams for laser designation of bases/key command sites which also will have a low survival rate for the deployed teams.

Alternatively they can be used along with LCBs and Assault Engrs during armour assaults for coordinating air strikes.

Further air mobility is required in order to utilize these assets effectively.

Pakistan clearly needs a SOCOM in order to combine all special operation assets.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

We should invest in a broad spectrum fixed wing platform that can cater small distance civilian commuter requirements, Naval MPA requirement, also be a AWACS/AEW&C and a EW aircraft for PAF, also be ISR and a AC-130 Spectre like gunship for Army.

Or maybe also be an all round general purpose for duties such as. light cargo/troop transport/tanker for all tri-services.

Especially EW aspect cuz I believe The Blinders are not receiving as much praise as they should get.

Good examples.

Same could be done with the helicopter industry. But for that we could engage Turk or Chinese in JVs

 

[Signalian]

We can't use them like 1965 considering such types of attacks can be countered quite easily nowadays. Further we would also need temporary air superiority for their deployment.

A better use will be deployment in small teams for laser designation of bases/key command sites which also will have a low survival rate for the deployed teams.

Alternatively they can be used along with LCBs and Assault Engrs during armour assaults for coordinating air strikes.

Further air mobility is required in order to utilize these assets effectively.

Pakistan clearly needs a SOCOM in order to combine all special operation assets.

You grossly under estimate the potential of SF, I don't.