POLL: Can Ukraine ever regain the Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts?

[jhungary]

Ukraine lost over 5 million people post Maidan, including thousands of soldier dead, over 2 million converted to Russians in Crimea, over 3 million in NAF controlled Donbas, more than half of coal mines lost to NAF controlled Donbas. If I were a Ukrainian, I would see what Maidan has done to Ukraine.

Do you know Russian lost 43 millions of "their" people to EU and NATO after maiden right? Not to mention the whole economy.

If I am Russian, I will see what sticking the neck out for those rebel has done to Russia lol

 

[Superboy]

Do you know Russian lost 43 millions of "their" people to EU and NATO after maiden right? Not to mention the whole economy.

If I am Russian, I will see what sticking the neck out for those rebel has done to Russia lol

Russia is the world's biggest and most powerful state. 17 million square kilometers, the biggest of the former Soviet republics. Population nearly 150 million. PAK FA fifth generation stealth fighters, T-14 tanks. Not even Napoleon and Hitler can beat Russia, so how can Ukraine beat Russia?

 

[jhungary]

Russia is the world's biggest and most powerful state. 17 million square kilometers, the biggest of the former Soviet republics. Population nearly 150 million. PAK FA fifth generation stealth fighters, T-14 tanks. Not even Napoleon and Hitler can beat Russia, so how can Ukraine beat Russia?

lol, but the question is, did Ukraine need to defeat Russia??

 

[Superboy]

lol, but the question is, did Ukraine need to defeat Russia??

Russia is occupying Ukrainian lands. This is humiliation. When Germans occupied Russian lands, Russians took back. What do Ukrainians do? Give up and be humiliated.

 

[jhungary]

Russia is occupying Ukrainian lands. This is humiliation. When Germans occupied Russian lands, Russians took back. What do Ukrainians do? Give up and be humiliated.

well, do you really think these kind of childish argument will hurt my feeling?? I am not Ukrainian nor Russian to begin with

All I know is this, Ukraine were pro-Russia before and now pro-West now, I don't care if Russia occupied the whole of east Ukraine, this does not change the fact that now we in NATO and EU have established "A DIRECT LAND BORDER" to Russia. And RUSSIA LOSE A BUFFER STATE.

So, tell me, why Ukraine need to defeat Russia when they have already served their purpose.

 

[Superboy]

well, do you really think these kind of childish argument will hurt my feeling?? I am not Ukrainian nor Russian to begin with

All I know is this, Ukraine were pro-Russia before and now pro-West now, I don't care if Russia occupied the whole of east Ukraine, this does not change the fact that now we in NATO and EU have established "A DIRECT LAND BORDER" to Russia. And RUSSIA LOSE A BUFFER STATE.

So, tell me, why Ukraine need to defeat Russia when they have already served their purpose.

I'm not Ukrainian or Russian either. We watch, the hunt, in New Russia.

Ukraine is Ukraine. Whether is it pro or anti Russia is up to God to decide. Germany and Japan were enemies of the US, they killed hundreds of thousands of American soldiers. Now they are strategic allies of the US. It is about mutual interests. Time always changes. Allies and foes always change. It is nations that remain unchanged over time.

You know darn well as much as I do. No one can invade Russia and win. Not Ceasar. Not Napoleon. Not Hitler. Russia has 150 million people, can easily form millions of volunteer battalions for defending Russian territory. It dos not matter if NATO states border Russia. NATO cannot invade Russia and win.

 

[Awakened_Fallen_Angel!!]

Nay... Ukraine ain't getting those areas back .. If the Ukrainian fascists continue to provoke, they will lose more territories in future..

 

[jhungary]

I'm not Ukrainian or Russian either. We watch, the hunt, in New Russia.

Ukraine is Ukraine. Whether is it pro or anti Russia is up to God to decide. Germany and Japan were enemies of the US, they killed hundreds of thousands of American soldiers. Now they are strategic allies of the US. It is about mutual interests. Time always changes. Allies and foes always change. It is nations that remain unchanged over time.

it's not up to God to decide, it's up to the people in Ukraine to decide.

and if you think Ukraine as a whole is going back to Russia camp now, tomorrow or ever, then all I can say is Dream on, buddy.

 

[Superboy]

it's not up to God to decide, it's up to the people in Ukraine to decide.

and if you think Ukraine as a whole is going back to Russia camp now, tomorrow or ever, then all I can say is Dream on, buddy.

Kuchma was pro Russia. Yushchenko was anti Russia. Yanukovych was pro Russia. Poroshenko is anti Russia. So? Ukraine cannot be pro or anti Russia forever. Ukraine is a neighbor of Russia. Ukraine cannot invade Russia. NATO cannot invade Russia. You know what? NATO is welcome to share border with Russia. We can barbecue together and sing kumbaya.

 

[jhungary]

Kuchma was pro Russia. Yushchenko was anti Russia. Yanukovych was pro Russia. Poroshenko is anti Russia. So? Ukraine cannot be pro or anti Russia forever. Ukraine is a neighbor of Russia. Ukraine cannot invade Russia. NATO cannot invade Russia. You know what? NATO is welcome to share border with Russia. We can barbecue together and sing kumbaya.

That's before Russia trying to separate Ukraine. Well, Even Hilter is buddy-buddy to Stalin and look how far that goes.

 

[Superboy]

That's before Russia trying to separate Ukraine. Well, Even Hilter is buddy-buddy to Stalin and look how far that goes.

Hitler was a socialist, same ideology as Stalin. Germany and USSR both had red flags. Red for socialism.