"Police waale tang karain to seedha fire karna" - Zulfiqar Mirza to his guard

[rockstar08]

Defending what you think is right is your right and I never denied it. Personally insulting me is not your right.

yeah i know .... but you failed to accept my right to defend my point of view ..

No, you get aggressive because you can't tolerate criticism. I have not neglected anything in my arguments.

I am not even a Follower of MQM , i have repeatedly said it here , but i just defend what is good in MQM , i would not Criticize them for something they are not doing but , i criticize them for where they are wrong ..
yes you do neglected , i have showed you Picture Pointing out the Rangers pointing Gun at Waqas , later in Footage its clearly shown that no Ranger guy even try to disperse the Mob ( which is not Violent ) , and try to help him .. MQM workers have no Weapons in their Hands Rangers have no threat there .. its clearly shown in footage ...
you completely Neglected the case of the Thieve who get shot by Rangers in Park of Clifton i guess ... i have mentioned it many times .. i get no reply ...

I'm sure there are MQM workers who are patriotic - but why they choose to follow Altaf Hussain is beyond me. Individual MQM supporters may be patriotic, but the party leadership is not.

Altaf Hussain is not a born Criminal like other , its just his arrogance ,and excess of Power make him , not just him but every other Politicians , now tell me that am i not right here ? every political leader in Pakistan who get some power , he consider himself God , name one leader ... who never committed any Crime ?
i have told you go and read the threat of secur , all most all leaders have speak against Pakistan , Khwaja asif and Hussain Haqqani , baloch leaders and all .. still no one call them traitors , nor i see any struggle from Govt to bring them back .. look at case of Uzair Baloch , where is he ? why he is not in Pakistan ?they guy who play football with human heads ...
I know a Family , who's young boy been beaten by Pathans in Sohrab goat , they put ellfie in his Eyes and Nose ... now tell me who is monster ? ? he was not a MQM worker or supporter ...
I live here, i go out Daily , we know ground realities , unlike other who are not even in Karachi and make their judgment in Suni Sunai Afaaen ...

I'll reiterate: I never said all MQM supporters are criminals. But there is no denying that some are. If you look back, the argument was about those who were arrested. Most of those who are arrested are, in fact, criminals.

I never deny that those who were arrested were Criminals, its good Rangers Arrest them .. go again to 90 if they find other criminals even mobile snatchers i will say arrest them ... but my Argument is that Raid Bilwaal house as well ,on the bases of Zulfiqar Mirza Confessions , that is what justice is ..
and other reason for me to be pissed off by rangers is that waqas guy ... no one help him , nor Rangers take any action ..

That does not justify the language you used. If you are speaking of ethics and morals, you should know that it is unethical to personally attack someone, regardless of how many times you have debated with other people about this same topic.

I have not repeated anything that is false. Everything I said was true. There is nothing wrong with repeating the same thing over and over again if it is true.

yeah agreed that Personal attacks are no Justification ...
but what you say was truth in some aspect , whole truth no one knows .. and you know that what we heard or see is just 30-40% truth .. rest is just Boogiyan ..

 

[Bratva]

What an immature reply.
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This ''retard logic'' is a proven and internationally recognized psychological phenomena.

Another personal attack.

What a load of nonsense.
There is no slap on my allegation. Your own response is a slap on yourself. You aren't arguing with the point, you are saying that others do it.


Another personal attack. Jahil insaan.

None of this is worth replying to.
@waz @Horus I'm done with this.

You can't argue with MQM'ers who would employ shifting and circular techniques, jumping from one point to other, blaming others while portraying themselves as victims and generalizing whole community support MQM.. The glaring example of this

"Altaf Hussain is not a born Criminal like other , its just his arrogance ,and excess of Power make him , not just him but every other Politicians , now tell me that am i not right here ? every political leader in Pakistan who get some power , he consider himself God , name one leader ... who never committed any Crime ?
i have told you go and read the threat of secur , all most all leaders have speak against Pakistan , Khwaja asif and Hussain Haqqani , baloch leaders and all .. still no one call them traitors , nor i see any struggle from Govt to bring them back .. look at case of Uzair Baloch , where is he ? why he is not in Pakistan ?they guy who play football with human heads ...
I know a Family , who's young boy been beaten by Pathans in Sohrab goat , they put ellfie in his Eyes and Nose ... now tell me who is monster ? ? he was not a MQM worker or supporter ...
I live here, i go out Daily , we know ground realities , unlike other who are not even in Karachi and make their judgment in Suni Sunai Afaaen "

How a story of a young boy is being generalized to show Muhajir Vs Pathan clashes. Without knowing the actual cause of feud.

They will not admit how many times Altaf hussain has bark against pakistan army/rangers vs how many times khawaja asif or other politicans has barked against Pakistan army and would portray MQM as innocent. Others do it, so it justify MQM actions. Pathetic line of argument I must say

@rockstar08 How many times you are going to lie about Waqas incident ? We debated this at length. I'm shocked this is your definition of crowd being peaceful. I mean are you for serious ? Provoking rangers for nothing, is this the definition of peaceful ? Instead of repeating my self, I would only say this, do share picture of ranger pointing gun at waqas.

And do share Zulfi confessions where he says Bilawal house shelters weapons and target killers in it.

 

[rockstar08]

How many times you are going to lie about Waqas incident ? We debated this at length. I'm shocked this is your definition of crowd being peaceful. I mean are you for serious ? Provoking rangers for nothing, is this the definition of peaceful ? Instead of repeating my self, I would only say this, do share picture of ranger pointing gun at waqas.

And do share Zulfi confessions where he says Bilawal house shelters weapons and target killers in it.

i have posted the pic .. look at page 3 or maybe 4 ..
well actually i am shocked that you find the crowd violent ? just shouting and protesting is violent to you ? so this mean if MQM workers start throwing stones , you will say bring the Tanks and roll over from them ? no matter how many Kids or women die ?? are you not ashamed on yourself to even say that the Protesters were violent ? you want me to post the footage again ? and show me the footage of 90 raid , where MQM workers were violent ..

and tell me this , will you support the Killing of Palestine people , when they protest against Israel ? IDF shoots them for throwing stones , and yeah we can understand because IDF is a force who are surprising people , you want same in Pakistan ??
seriously ?
go and search his recent TV interviews , he call zardari a RAW agent , along with AH , and top that , look at clip in OP, he saying , shoot the police if you see something suspicious activity from them ..

 

[Bratva]

i have posted the pic .. look at page 3 or maybe 4 ..
well actually i am shocked that you find the crowd violent ? just shouting and protesting is violent to you ? so this mean if MQM workers start throwing stones , you will say bring the Tanks and roll over from them ? no matter how many Kids or women die ?? are you not ashamed on yourself to even say that the Protesters were violent ? you want me to post the footage again ? and show me the footage of 90 raid , where MQM workers were violent ..

and tell me this , will you support the Killing of Palestine people , when they protest against Israel ? IDF shoots them for throwing stones , and yeah we can understand because IDF is a force who are surprising people , you want same in Pakistan ??
seriously ?
go and search his recent TV interviews , he call zardari a RAW agent , along with AH , and top that , look at clip in OP, he saying , shoot the police if you see something suspicious activity from them ..

There are no pictures of rangers pointing gun at waqas. Lie No.1

And when does provoking Law enforcement agency became a peaceful protest ? Was Rangers manhandling people at that time that People were provoking them ? Were rangers doing some unspeakable harm to people that they were provoking law enforcement ? Are you that blind you cant see the man and women constantly trying to provoke rangers, is this what you call a peaceful protest ? You should be ashamed of blatantly defending such acts of provocation

It seems you are ignorant about what happens if exact behaviour is replicated infront of USA police, infront of british police, or infront any civilized world police. There are videos on youtube you can check their reaction about what happens if they do peaceful protest and when they start provoking LEA.

And why the fook would MQM members would get violent for raid of 90 ? The arrest of target killers and weapons seizing had proved what kind of activities 90 were involved in. If anyone tried to resist or creat chaos there, it would have reinforced the public opinion about MQM criminal activities and defending them. People there had more brain than you ever have. Hence they didn't Damage MQM reputation further.


And why are you changing and shifting your argument. I specifically asked, when you are demanding to raid of Bilawal house, you said Zulfi said so and so that proves bilawal house houses illegal elements. Prove that Zulfi says or eat your words and don't try to compare apple and oranges. I dont want to hear BS shifting arguments about Asif zardari being raw agent or not

 

[rockstar08]

There are no pictures of rangers pointing gun at waqas. Lie No.1

Jazbati Insaan
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let me read your full post and reply ..

 

[Bratva]

Jazbati Insaan
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let me read your full post and reply ..

Any person with 6 eyes could attest to the fact Ranger was pointing pistol at the provocateur who is provoking them with the women, While waqas is standing behind the door and gun is not even angled towards him

So I once again ask, when rangers pointed gun towards waqas ?

 

[haviZsultan]

People like Zulfiqar Mirza and Altaf Hussain, even Zardari should be rotting in jails. Instead they are in prime positions and have retinues of 20-30 guards. I love my country and I won't let ethnic or political divisions destroy it. These people indeed are a cancer to Pakistan.

 

[rockstar08]

And when does provoking Law enforcement agency became a peaceful protest ? Was Rangers manhandling people at that time that People were provoking them ? Were rangers doing some unspeakable harm to people that they were provoking law enforcement ? Are you that blind you cant see the man and women constantly trying to provoke rangers, is this what you call a peaceful protest ? You should be ashamed of blatantly defending such acts of provocation

look how Civilized Forces behave in such situation ..
Amid riots, pockets of hope in Baltimore neighborhoods

this crowd is more violent than the 90 crowd ... now prove it wrong ...
200 people were arrested but no deaths ... unless i miss something

Any person with 6 eyes could attest to the fact Ranger was pointing pistol at the provocateur who is provoking them with the women, While waqas is standing behind the door and gun is not even angled towards him

So I once again ask, when rangers pointed gun towards waqas ?

Holy potatoes , man are you blind ? i have showed the position of Waqas with Red circle ...
he was right behind the man but not behind the door , and as the sound of shot fired is heard the front guy go behind the gate , and waqas was out of frame , and the camera men lost focus , later in 1-2 seconds he recover the camera position was lying dead, if he was shot by the man than he ( waqas ) would have not die instantly , thoda tu tarapta na ?

 

[Bratva]

look how Civilized Forces behave in such situation ..
Amid riots, pockets of hope in Baltimore neighborhoods

this crowd is more violent than the 90 crowd ... now prove it wrong ...
200 people were arrested but no deaths ... unless i miss something



Holy potatoes , man are you blind ? i have showed the position of Waqas with Red circle ...
he was right behind the man but not behind the door , and as the sound of shot fired is heard the front guy go behind the gate , and waqas was out of frame , and the camera men lost focus , later in 1-2 seconds he recover the camera position was lying dead, if he was shot by the man than he ( waqas ) would have not die instantly , thoda tu tarapta na ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/543068692314345472

https://twitter.com/x/status/543092006877003776

So your point being ?Only rangers draw pistols at so called peaceful protestors ?


Holy smoke, I mean show your picture to everyone on PDF and ask where waqas is standing, and the angle of gun. Because you are seriously suffering sight problems and no matter the amount how much I convince you, you wont budge from your position.

And once again you forget/ignored the exit wound of Waqas and post mortem report. He died instantly. There were no moments for him to convulse.

 

[TankMan]

he was right behind the man but not behind the door , and as the sound of shot fired is heard the front guy go behind the gate , and waqas was out of frame , and the camera men lost focus , later in 1-2 seconds he recover the camera position was lying dead, if he was shot by the man than he ( waqas ) would have not die instantly , thoda tu tarapta na ?

Waqas died long after the ranger with the pistol left. The only ranger within range at the time was the one with the G3 atop the vehicle. His gun was pointed downwards.

yeah i know .... but you failed to accept my right to defend my point of view ..

I accepted all the nonsense you typed to defend your point of view. The only thing I ''failed to accept'' was your insults.

I am not even a Follower of MQM , i have repeatedly said it here , but i just defend what is good in MQM , i would not Criticize them for something they are not doing but , i criticize them for where they are wrong ..
yes you do neglected , i have showed you Picture Pointing out the Rangers pointing Gun at Waqas , later in Footage its clearly shown that no Ranger guy even try to disperse the Mob ( which is not Violent ) , and try to help him .. MQM workers have no Weapons in their Hands Rangers have no threat there .. its clearly shown in footage ....

Footage? You mean this one?:

Lie number 1: ''Ranger pointed gun at Waqas.''
No, he didn't. It was pointed at the mob in general.

Lie number 2: ''Rangers did not try to disperse the mob''.
They did. The soldier atop the vehicle did aerial firing.
00:30 in the video.

Lie number 3: ''Mob is not violent.''
Yes, it is:

1:48 in the footage, these people pushed the rangers and tried to grab his gun arm.

you completely Neglected the case of the Thieve who get shot by Rangers in Park of Clifton i guess ... i have mentioned it many times .. i get no reply ...

It was irrelevant. This has nothing to do with MQM.

I know a Family , who's young boy been beaten by Pathans in Sohrab goat , they put ellfie in his Eyes and Nose ... now tell me who is monster ? ? he was not a MQM worker or supporter ...
I live here, i go out Daily , we know ground realities , unlike other who are not even in Karachi and make their judgment in Suni Sunai Afaaen ...

Anecdotal. One boy was beaten by Pathans, so now Pathans are monsters and MQMers are angels? Come on.

but my Argument is that Raid Bilwaal house as well

Valid argument. It'll probably happen soon.

and other reason for me to be pissed off by rangers is that waqas guy ... no one help him , nor Rangers take any action ..

That is false.
They took action. They collected evidence, performed an autopsy, found the bullet and evidence. Not enough evidence, but they did take some action.
He died on the spot, no one could have helped him.

 

[Slav Defence]

@TankMan @Rockstar and others...
I condemn both Zulfiqar Mirza and Mr.Hussain for kind of language they use.I am totally speechless right now because entire argument between you two is typical that whether MQM has terrorists masses or not?
Such topic is discussed to death by many people including me.
I simply believe that:
-All political parties including PPP,MQM etc must be unarmed and provided security by government of Pakistan.
-Criminal masses deep within these parties must be arrested for all crimes they have done so far.

I guess that discussing MQM in this thread is not relevant because matter is between zulfiqar Mirza and zardari rather than AH.
Mrirza claims that Zardari's "girl friend" was gang raped and Miss.Bhutto wanted to file divorce against him.
Instead that government makes announcement to file investigation against such claims,some police was sent to Mirza and ,ah,how ridiculous to see that he is saying something as disgusting as this (earlier he broke something in police station, I wonder as if on what basis is police arresting him?for harassing police officer or for breaking some glass?,lol and why he wasn't arrested and punched immediately, lol)
Don't you all get it?everything is so distorted and unusual-it looks more a kind of staged drama.
1)Mirza accused zardari
2)Broke a glass in police station.
3)Some die hard PPP fans lady parliamentarians jumped up at Mirza
4)Mirza even blamed that zardari is behind her sisters "unmarried life",lol
5)Police suddenly realized that they were mocked by Mirza.
6)Police jumps up at his home but stands quietly outside requesting him to give his arrest.
7)While Mirza continues deliberately to do some moo k fire(fire mouthing, flame war,lol)

What should be done in ideally is:
-Mirza to be approached and asked for proves.
-If provided than zardari to be arrested.
-If Mirza has no proves than zardari was free to file case against him and Mirza would have been in jail.


But,ah..
Seems like it is staged for British entertainment as last time their ambassador (correct me,if I am wrong) enjoyed AH-Mirza stupidity over Mi5 conspiracy calling Pakistani politics as most interesting, and he was laughing and waiting for more such stories, lol

Regards

 

[rockstar08]

https://twitter.com/x/status/543068692314345472

https://twitter.com/x/status/543092006877003776

So your point being ?Only rangers draw pistols at so called peaceful protestors ?


Holy smoke, I mean show your picture to everyone on PDF and ask where waqas is standing, and the angle of gun. Because you are seriously suffering sight problems and no matter the amount how much I convince you, you wont budge from your position.

And once again you forget/ignored the exit wound of Waqas and post mortem report. He died instantly. There were no moments for him to convulse.

my point is been simple , first you lie about rangers carrying side Arms ,later , i show you the Image of Rangers pointing Gun at direction of waqas , and now you are diverting to Post mortem report , how my Questions are logical but your explanations are consist of Flaws ... the Ranger guy clear holds the Pistol , i dont know which kind on his direction , and if the guy in check shirt was killer why he suppose to duck to save his own life ? camera man lost focus but what about the Media standing there ? and Rangers ... they standing on few feet and couldn't detect the shooter ? who you are trying to fool buddy ? why there was no Investigation on Waqas Murder ? ? please enlighten me ..

Waqas died long after the ranger with the pistol left. The only ranger within range at the time was the one with the G3 atop the vehicle. His gun was pointed downwards.

entire you are deliberately ignoring the picture i send you ... or you are just too much blind in your Hate , that a innocent kid murder cant effect you ... look at the pic again ..

Lie number 1: ''Ranger pointed gun at Waqas.''
No, he didn't. It was pointed at the mob in general.

Lie number 2: ''Rangers did not try to disperse the mob''.
They did. The soldier atop the vehicle did aerial firing.
00:30 in the video.

Lie number 3: ''Mob is not violent.''
Yes, it is:

lie really ? are you blind ? have you even care to open the Picture , even a blind man can see the Pistol and its direction ..

lie 2 ? Rangers did not Disperse the Mob ? so what they firing for ? dance show ? or for New year ?

Lie 3 ? Mob was violent , how many Rangers guy's gets injured ? during the raid ? ?
None , Zero " 0 " ..

Anecdotal. One boy was beaten by Pathans, so now Pathans are monsters and MQMers are angels? Come on.

no MQM's is no saints but the reason to tell you about the guy , was that he has no Affiliation with MQM and still get beaten to almost death .. and its for you because people like you believe that even if a Dog die in Road accident in Karachi its MQM's fault ..but again you are just a blind hater , nothing more ...

Valid argument. It'll probably happen soon.

lol yeah .. Hope hahahahaah i get it

That is false.
They took action. They collected evidence, performed an autopsy, found the bullet and evidence. Not enough evidence, but they did take some action.
He died on the spot, no one could have helped him.

what action they took ? kindly tell me ?
and yeah just because he was MQM worker that is there was no JIT launch on his Investigation or maybe wait , if the Investigation goes further , than it will be Proven that who Killed him ? which 70% Chance of Rangers shot him ..


now see the Press conference of Rangers , full version ... at 2:40 , he said " koi mazahmat nai ki gae " buhat Cooperative the "
for @Bratva @TankMan @Slav Defence you guys need to listen his conference and than read the Posts of these two Gentle men @Bratva @TankMan who think Mob was violent ... now tell me who is lying Rangers Spokes Person you two ...

One dead, several injured as Rangers raid MQM headquarters - The Express Tribune

 

[scionoftheindus]

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How bravely they are displaying guns! Muslims across the sub continent has this attitude of showing their so called virility by showing talwars and weapons.,.it has come down a lot in India...pak should also take serious measures to curb such attitudes...such culture doesn't bring peace to the society.

 

[scionoftheindus]

Pakistan for most part was ruled by army...why did they allow such culture to prevail?....why didn't they act strictly ?or were they also part of encouraging this gun culture just like politicians?

 

[scionoftheindus]

How about throw both in jail instead of having to put up with either of them? Why should we choose between two landlords whose sole claim to power are gangs of illiterate thugs?

Do you people regret for not bringing land reforms like how Nehru did in India and ending this zamindari system.....actually there is a theory in India about partition which says all Muslim zamindars in Pakistan came together and encouraged partition to save their lands and authority when congress declared that all the lands from zamindars will be taken and given to poor after independence.