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Sunday, September 19, 2010
ISTANBUL – Daily news with wires




Police are searching for protestors who booed the prime minister following the FIBA 2010 World Basketball Championship final in Istanbul after identifying them in security footage from the arena, private news site CNNTürk reported Saturday.

The Istanbul Police Sports Security unit asked for video footage of the ceremony held after the match between Turkey and the United States in Istanbul on Sept. 12. Twenty people were identified in the footage and one of them, a minor, was detained. He was later released after a court decision.

Erdoğan was booed at the award ceremony honoring the world’s top two basketball teams. Politicians at the event reacted negatively to the jeering, while basketball players also criticized the protestors.

Team captain Hidayet "Hedo" Türkoğlu, who plays for the Phoenix Suns in the NBA, apologized to the prime minister for the protest and center Semih Erden also criticized the act, saying sports should not be mixed with politics.
 
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This is Erdogan's democracy i hope everyone got the memo.
 
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The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com
Turkey: a democratic superpower in the Middle East

Turkey's vote for constitutional reforms last week helped solidify its position as the new superpower of the Middle East and the shining model of what a modern, Muslim-majority democracy can achieve if given the opportunity.

By Reza Aslan
posted September 17, 2010 at 11:05 pm EDT
Istanbul —

A political party espousing a commitment to what it calls “Islamic moral values” has brought Turkey closer to a full-fledged democracy than it has ever been.

Last week, 30 years after a military coup overturned the democratically elected government of Suleyman Demirel, Turks voted overwhelmingly for constitutional changes pushed through by the moderate Islamists of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party (known by its Turkish initials AKP).
Strengthening minority rights

The reforms strengthen the rights of women, children, and the handicapped, provide greater freedoms for Turkey’s Christian and Kurdish minorities (both of whom have been repeatedly persecuted and marginalized by previous governments), relax Turkey’s restrictive labor laws, curtail the role of the military in political affairs, and allow for the creation of more democratic institutions throughout the country. More crucially, the reforms reorganize the structure of the court system, providing greater legal protections for ordinary citizens while stripping the military of its immunity against prosecution in civilian courts.

Opponents in the constitutional referendum argued that it ceded too much power to the president and parliament, particularly when it comes to appointing judges. Yet such arguments failed to persuade voters, nearly 60 percent of whom voted for the package of reforms that the AKP presented as a necessary step toward Turkey’s membership in the European Union. (Interestingly, even as enthusiasm for EU membership has deteriorated in Turkey – support has dropped to 54 percent from 68 percent in 2005 – the economic and political changes have proved so popular that they seem no longer to be dependent on what Europe wants from Turkey, but on what Turks want for themselves.)


Since coming to power in 2002, the AKP, which models itself on Europe’s conservative Christian Democratic parties, has steadily chipped away at the military’s self-ascribed role as the protector of Turkish democracy. Instead, the AKP has provided Turks with a model of governance that reflects a commitment to constitutional democracy and the rule of law, but without the need to forcibly repress the country’s religious identity.

Economic might

Not only has Turkey become a freer, more liberal, more inclusive, and more democratic country under the AKP, it has also become a more dominant global power and has experienced an unprecedented period of economic growth. Indeed, the Turkish economy has come out of the global recession stronger than ever, posting a 10.3 percent growth in GDP in the second quarter of this year. That makes Turkey the third-fastest-growing economy in the world behind Singapore and Taiwan.

And yet the AKP continues to face the same tired rhetoric from Turkey’s main opposition parties that it is undermining the “secular foundations” of the state by, for example, allowing girls to go to school while wearing a simple scarf over their hair.

One hears similar criticisms in the United States, where there has been a lot of hand-wringing lately over Turkey’s increasingly assertive foreign policy, its deepening ties with Iran, Syria, and Iraq, and its overt criticism of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Some have even suggested that Turkey, the only Muslim member of NATO, is turning away from its strategic alliance with the West and instead building an “Islamic axis” against America’s interests in the region.

This is nonsense.
It is not Islam that drives the AKP’s foreign or domestic policy but rather its economic and national security interests. If Turkey has been focusing its diplomatic efforts on the Middle East, Central Asia, and the Persian Gulf, it is because that is where its economic growth is coming from, not from Europe or the United States.

Further, Turkey’s more-robust foreign policy and its attempts to insert itself as a mediator in the region’s conflicts are the result of its revived sense of national confidence. Turkey is no longer willing to be subordinate to the US but insists on being treated as an ally and equal, with its own proposals and policies for dealing with the region’s problems.

A crucial US ally

That is a good thing, because Turkey’s interests in the region – whether regarding a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or building stability in Iraq and Afghanistan, or keeping Iran from developing nuclear weapons – align with those of the US. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that Turkey is now America’s most important strategic ally in the Middle East.

More significantly, Turkey has provided the peoples of the Middle East with a more authentic example of Islamic governance than one finds in the secular dictatorships of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, or the religious authoritarianism of Iran and Saudi Arabia. The AKP has proved that there need not be any contradictions between Islam and democracy, that a party committed to Islamic values can be equally committed to human rights, constitutionalism, pluralism, and the rule of law. And with the passage of the constitutional reforms, Turkey took another step toward solidifying its position as the new superpower of the Middle East: the shining model of what a modern, Muslim-majority democracy can achieve if given the opportunity.

Reza Aslan is the author of “No god but God: The Origins, Evolution and Future of Islam."
 
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^^^load of crap sorry to say. I don't care what they claim it does. If i can't boo at the basketball game without the police trying totrack me down,arrest me and put me in court i could care less what the AKP claim this referendum does. All it does is hand over more control to the AKP government and they market it as democratic change.

Disgusting. That last part is saying this is the way to Islamic governance ? We are a damn secular unitary republic. I guess all that is changing now. Makes me sick
 
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At least be reasonable -- A source you present (CNNTurk) alleges that 20 persons were questioned - it, the source suggests that the purpose of the detention it alleges, is to investigate the booing of the Premier.

When presented with a piece published in the CSMonitor (and CSM is not a friend of the AKP) you rubbish it as if it has no merit.

that last part is saying this is the way to Islamic governance ?

You have now presented at least two pieces, first the allegation that the AKP is being financed by Iran and now this -- of course it's your right to present such material and you are a honorable and valuable member of the forum - at least consider the other side of the coin as well.

We all know that since Turkiye has decided to not allow the Israeli to get away with inflicting injury and fatal harm upon the Palestinian, eyebrows have been raised in some quarters in the West - and why not, they have a right to express their concern for their interests - but look at this from the Christian Science piece:


One hears similar criticisms in the United States, where there has been a lot of hand-wringing lately over Turkey’s increasingly assertive foreign policy, its deepening ties with Iran, Syria, and Iraq, and its overt criticism of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Some have even suggested that Turkey, the only Muslim member of NATO, is turning away from its strategic alliance with the West and instead building an “Islamic axis” against America’s interests in the region.

This is nonsense. It is not Islam that drives the AKP’s foreign or domestic policy but rather its economic and national security interests. If Turkey has been focusing its diplomatic efforts on the Middle East, Central Asia, and the Persian Gulf, it is because that is where its economic growth is coming from, not from Europe or the United States.

At least consider it and react to this instead of maligning. It is unjust.
 
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Your article does not say that the arrests are some sort of a hit ordered by the Turkish government or are is the sporting authority trying to enforce some sort of consequences upon people who would disrupt an organized event.

Jeering can at times cause stop of play, disruption of presentations, causing valuable waste of money and time. This is not really a freedom of speech issue.
 
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Dude, is turkey getting very much like Iran, Zardari led Pakistan and Arabian monarchy??? I though Turkey was the leading example of secularism, freedom of speed and rights in Muslim world?? Cant resist the pressure?

Russian president Putin has been boo'ed soo many times and so has been Mushraff, Bush, Hillary, Blair, etc etc

He should have boo'ed back with a smile.

Reminds me once at school we were mischeviously boo'ing a british teacher when called upon stage. He takes up the mic and calls some of the boo'ers on the stage. Few blabbers going "boo" isnt really a cheerful tune. They ended up making a a$$ of themselves.
 
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Your article does not say that the arrests are some sort of a hit ordered by the Turkish government or are is the sporting authority trying to enforce some sort of consequences upon people who would disrupt an organized event.

Jeering can at times cause stop of play, disruption of presentations, causing valuable waste of money and time. This is not really a freedom of speech issue.

There are thousands of spectators at the game. It is everyone's right to boo or cheer as they please. As far as what the article says is pretty clear. Top two teams were being honored people booed the PM (which they have a right to do) Now the police are looking for them. (One being a minor was arrested but the court released him)
 
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There are thousands of spectators at the game. It is everyone's right to boo or cheer as they please. As far as what the article says is pretty clear. Top two teams were being honored people booed the PM (which they have a right to do) Now the police are looking for them. (One being a minor was arrested but the court released him)
I'd leave it as a judgment call, it depends upon the level of damages caused by their actions.

Organized events are the domain of the organizer, if you cause a disruption it should be the call of the organizer to try and have you prosecuted, the courts will give the final judgment.

It's like talking loudly in a cinema vs whispering in a cinema. It's the call of the cinema authorities to have you thrown out or not depending upon how much of a disruption you were.
 
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At least be reasonable -- A source you present (CNNTurk) alleges that 20 persons were questioned - it, the source suggests that the purpose of the detention it alleges, is to investigate the booing of the Premier.

When presented with a piece published in the CSMonitor (and CSM is not a friend of the AKP) you rubbish it as if it has no merit.



You have now presented at least two pieces, first the allegation that the AKP is being financed by Iran and now this -- of course it's your right to present such material and you are a honorable and valuable member of the forum - at least consider the other side of the coin as well.

We all know that since Turkiye has decided to not allow the Israeli to get away with inflicting injury and fatal harm upon the Palestinian, eyebrows have been raised in some quarters in the West - and why not, they have a right to express their concern for their interests - but look at this from the Christian Science piece:




At least consider it and react to this instead of maligning. It is unjust.

I will rubbish it again. If people refuse to see the truth in this that is fine. I understand you want me to consider your perspective but i have seen the AKP from the start. Not jumped into following them when major issues started to come to attention. I know how they destroyed the Media and people who spoke against the AKP were jailed. Writers i specifically followed were fired from their jobs and now the remaining ones that are still defiant have to write their articles in code since a direct jab could end up with prosecutors bringing a case against them too.
 
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I will rubbish it again. If people refuse to see the truth in this that is fine


This seems to you as if a "religious truth" - whereas I was suggesting a more rational approach, not all bad nor all good - but I will leave you to your religious approach
 
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This seems to you as if a "religious truth" - whereas I was suggesting a more rational approach, not all bad nor all good - but I will leave you to your religious approach

Rational approach would not be the term i would HL for your side. As the AKP are not rational people to begin with (think of them as the islamic tea party). Erdogans most senior adviser for instance has 3 wives. (I wouldn't call that rational)

Anyway watch this video. Was posted in another thread. It gives you all the logical numbers needed for my rational argument. Like me you may choose to refute all of this. An article written by some christian site is not going to get me to change my mind one bit from what i have seen since the AKP came to power and what i myself have personally seen in Turkey (in more recent visits)

 
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It's very much in keeping with the thrust of your earlier piece linking the Iranian Regime as a financier of the AKP, in the video above Mr. Rubin contends that it's the Saudis who bankrolled the AKP and that Abdullah Gul was a Banker in a Islamic finance hose in Jeddah -- now it may come as something of a surprise to you, but Islamic finance is not against the law, and is increasingly, particularly in the US seen as method of finance that solves particular problems, especially with how it deals with the notion of "usury".

Really, anyway you cut it, it seems that this particular line of criticism, that is to say the "hidden Islamist" line is worn thin, lack credibility, in fact those who trot out this line of criticism, are themselves suspect because they rely not on reason and evidence but on fear and the creation of fear.

So, while there may be any number of criticism that the AKP should answer to, by relegating these criticisms and favoring a fear creating "Islam bogey", those who seek to hold the AKP accountable, do their position a great injustice, because such weak arguments as creating fear of Islam and Muslims is not something most reasonable people think when they think of critiques of policy.
 
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