PN mini-submarine fleet

[ziaulislam]

lithium batteries very cheap as its just electricity storage. So the modern fuel cell is basically really big lithium battery carried by submarine?

Problem is lithium batteries are very heavy..this problem rises exponential with weight...so reason why dumper trucks cant get lithium cells at this moment ..fuel cells aren't

 

[Zarvan]

@Rashid Mahmood Sir G the April of 2019 is going to be over soon still we have no news of construction of first submarine which we ordered beginning. What is going on

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

@Rashid Mahmood Sir G the April of 2019 is going to be over soon still we have no news of construction of first submarine which we ordered beginning. What is going on

Wait till 2022.
Only the concerned are required to know that information.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Problem is lithium batteries are very heavy..this problem rises exponential with weight...so reason why dumper trucks cant get lithium cells at this moment ..fuel cells aren't

the energy density, Joules per gram of Lithium battery is superior to lead acid. This is the way to the future.

@Rashid Mahmood Sir G the April of 2019 is going to be over soon still we have no news of construction of first submarine which we ordered beginning. What is going on

First SWAT? Whats the update on this?

 

[Zarvan]

the energy density, Joules per gram of Lithium battery is superior to lead acid. This is the way to the future.



First SWAT? Whats the update on this?

First what ???

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

First what ???

Is Navy decided on the SWAT program? When is the first one being built?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Just a side point.

Source: Defence Turkey (Issue 91. Volume 13. 2019)

STM will also take part in the PN’s new Miniature Submarine Program.

As per the PN’s request, STM had studied the feasibility of upgrading the Cosmos MG110 (SX756/W) mini-submarines, which were bought in the 1980s to replace the SX404 mini-submarines, but both sides then concluded that this was not an affordable route.

The PN Submarine Force took pride in operating 3 X-Craft (Cosmos MG110s), which were transferred to the Squadron in March 2005 from the Special Service Group Navy (SSG[N]). This has enhanced the number of sub-surface units to 8 instead of 5 having been in operation prior March 2005.

STM, later on put a proposal on the table covering the joint development and marketing of a new generation mini-submarine intended for special forces operations (such as insertions and extractions of SEAL Teams) in littoral waters not only to meet the PN’s (to replace aging Cosmos MG110 in the inventory) but also the Turkish Navy’s (considered TKMS Type 200 and Type 300 mini-sub designs in the past) and other potential customers (Azerbaijan is said to have already declared its interest according to our sources) requirements.

So, STM has designed a new type of mini-submarine platform for the PN from scratch and STM General Manager Murat IKINCI presented a scaled model of this mini-submarine to Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production during the signing ceremony for the second contract amendment held in Rawalpindi, Pakistan.
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It seems that scaled mock-up is this:

 

[Thorough Pro]

nopes, they are very light and more efficient in terms of charge per gram of weight

Problem is lithium batteries are very heavy..this problem rises exponential with weight...so reason why dumper trucks cant get lithium cells at this moment ..fuel cells aren't

Remote controlled submerged drones are the future, a lot cheaper than the subs, no humans thus unlimited time at sea, much smaller in size, hence very difficult to locate

 

[PAR 5]

What Pakistan needs for future development is an in-house concept, design and development of surface and sub surface platforms. Hodge Podge of technologies from other countries will simply be a logistical nightmare

Just a side point.

Source: Defence Turkey (Issue 91. Volume 13. 2019)

STM will also take part in the PN’s new Miniature Submarine Program.

As per the PN’s request, STM had studied the feasibility of upgrading the Cosmos MG110 (SX756/W) mini-submarines, which were bought in the 1980s to replace the SX404 mini-submarines, but both sides then concluded that this was not an affordable route.

The PN Submarine Force took pride in operating 3 X-Craft (Cosmos MG110s), which were transferred to the Squadron in March 2005 from the Special Service Group Navy (SSG[N]). This has enhanced the number of sub-surface units to 8 instead of 5 having been in operation prior March 2005.

STM, later on put a proposal on the table covering the joint development and marketing of a new generation mini-submarine intended for special forces operations (such as insertions and extractions of SEAL Teams) in littoral waters not only to meet the PN’s (to replace aging Cosmos MG110 in the inventory) but also the Turkish Navy’s (considered TKMS Type 200 and Type 300 mini-sub designs in the past) and other potential customers (Azerbaijan is said to have already declared its interest according to our sources) requirements.

So, STM has designed a new type of mini-submarine platform for the PN from scratch and STM General Manager Murat IKINCI presented a scaled model of this mini-submarine to Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production during the signing ceremony for the second contract amendment held in Rawalpindi, Pakistan.
​

It seems that scaled mock-up is this:

 

[Armchair]

Remote controlled submerged drones are the future, a lot cheaper than the subs, no humans thus unlimited time at sea, much smaller in size, hence very difficult to locate

kudos to you, precisely the discussion I was having with @bilalkhan777 that if we built, instead of these "multi purpose" mini subs, that will insert SEAL teams and do all kinds of other missions, single mission UUVs - they will simply submerge, putter to an Indian port, and let loose. It could be done inhouse, cost a lot less, and cause maximum mayhem.

If we thought of this simply, and did not overcomplicate things with SSG and what not, we could have built these UUVs during the time we are having these discussions (for the past few years now!)

 

[GriffinsRule]

kudos to you, precisely the discussion I was having with @bilalkhan777 that if we built, instead of these "multi purpose" mini subs, that will insert SEAL teams and do all kinds of other missions, single mission UUVs - they will simply submerge, putter to an Indian port, and let loose. It could be done inhouse, cost a lot less, and cause maximum mayhem.

If we thought of this simply, and did not overcomplicate things with SSG and what not, we could have built these UUVs during the time we are having these discussions (for the past few years now!)

How would one control/communicate an unmanned sub hundreds of miles out in the ocean and underwater? And if that communication is lost for whatever reason, how would that link be re-established and would that mean the sub sinks to the bottom of the ocean in the meantime or surfaces for anyone to come in and grab it?

Overall the idea sounds completely unfeasible to me, bar some giant technological leap that sprouts up in Pakistan. What the likelihood of that happening is, we can all guess, but I think this idea can be shelved and revisited maybe after another 30 years or so.

 

[Armchair]

How would one control/communicate an unmanned sub hundreds of miles out in the ocean and underwater? And if that communication is lost for whatever reason, how would that link be re-established and would that mean the sub sinks to the bottom of the ocean in the meantime or surfaces for anyone to come in and grab it?

Overall the idea sounds completely unfeasible to me, bar some giant technological leap that sprouts up in Pakistan. What the likelihood of that happening is, we can all guess, but I think this idea can be shelved and revisited maybe after another 30 years or so.

The idea, well my idea at least, is to keep it simple. War starts with India, let the little buggers putter away towards an Indian port, once in the vicinity, target anything that moves. No need for us to communicate. Self-destruct once all torpedoes are lost, or go kamakazi.

If anyone tries to grab it, blow up, after shooting all torpedoes of course. Think of it as an underwater MIRV cum cruise missile.

where is @Bilal Khan 777 ?

Indian ports are relatively close to Pakistan, and many of their major ports including Mumbai could easily be targeted this way in case of war.

 

[Armchair]

Translation: a the new weapon to enable the next generation of 26/11 terrorists.

Translation: American trying to make shallow statements about things he does not understand, half way around the world. Pakistan has had mini-submarines for decades, and never have they been found to be used by anyone other than the SSG(N).

these are actually replacements of the mini-submarines Pak has, which are now too old to be safely operated.

BTW, the biggest terrorists in the world are the zionist jews like yourself.

 

[dBSPL]

How would one control/communicate an unmanned sub hundreds of miles out in the ocean and underwater? And if that communication is lost for whatever reason, how would that link be re-established and would that mean the sub sinks to the bottom of the ocean in the meantime or surfaces for anyone to come in and grab it?

Overall the idea sounds completely unfeasible to me, bar some giant technological leap that sprouts up in Pakistan. What the likelihood of that happening is, we can all guess, but I think this idea can be shelved and revisited maybe after another 30 years or so.

Therefore, remote control has no meaning, anymore. The concept that stands out here is autonomous machines. Today, even in the simplest tactical UAV systems, the most intensive field of study is the decision support systems and ECM components.

In underwater communication, the use of Optical Communication Systems is increasing.

Conventionally, RF and acoustic technologies are used in submarine communication systems. This has several disadvantages. In these, jamming , signal-cutting and listening can be done by enemy-counterparts. Optical systems are developed as an alternative to RF communication and as a hybrid model. It will be a very important multiplier to gain the ability to communicate, inaudible, uncuttable and unjamable, especially between submarine-helicopters, submarine-divers(or UUVs) and at the same time with surface ships.

 

[ziaulislam]

nopes, they are very light and more efficient in terms of charge per gram of weight




Remote controlled submerged drones are the future, a lot cheaper than the subs, no humans thus unlimited time at sea, much smaller in size, hence very difficult to locate

and what will be the means of "remote control" in the sea? i am curious