PM Modi permits surplus power sale to Pakistan!

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

This Proposal will not have any takers in Pakistan.

1. Pakistan public has been conditioned to reject every Indian commodity.

2. Pakistan establishment will reject it for undisclosed security reasons.

3. Pakistan's politician will never take such a gamble which can be politically suicidal.

4. Pakistan Industrialist will never let India export electricity @ of 3-4 INR to Pakistan while they have
arrangements with Chinese having agreements to sell electricity @ 11-15 PKR there.

Therefore consider this only a gesture by Modi which will never fructify BUT will be used by him to remind the world about his broad vision of " World is a Family " and how he offered to help Pakistan in spite of huge animosity.

Why Pakistan want to be at the mercy of India? if next day India decide to shut down the power grid...Pakistan will be in trouble, China can help Pakistan to achieve self sufficient in this domain. Pakistan willing to buy our electricity because we don't have any geo-political issue, in contrary we help each other.

 

[JetCool]

Why Pakistan want to be at the mercy of India? if next day India decide to shut down the power grid...Pakistan will be in trouble, China can help Pakistan to achieve self sufficient in this domain. Pakistan willing to buy our electricity because we don't have any geo-political issue, in contrary we help each other.

If India decides to shown down the power grid, how can pakistan be in any more trouble than it already is ?

Pakistan would be in the same position as it is right now.

 

[Khan_21]

No one is peddling anything, so far only permission to peddle has been given. In any case necessity is the mother of invention, so when the summer heat gets high, the deal will happen. BTW we are already selling to BD.



As of today, India is power surplus and exports to Nepal, bhutan and Bangladesh. Maybe you should read more.

Power surplus does not mean no power cuts . There is huge mismanagement when it comes to electricity distribution in India . Also Pakistan though might have more load shedding than India more % of our population have access to electricity compared to India where 21 % has been in virtual darkness since 47 .

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.ELC.ACCS.ZS?page=1

Pakistan 97 % of population access to electricity
India 79 %

http://www.thehindu.com/data/Many-don’t-have-power-in-‘power-surplus-India’/article14488504.ece

In India, 300 million people don’t have access to electricity, power cuts are rampant and per capita power consumption is significantly lower than the world average. In sharp contrast to this, the Power Ministry says India is power-surplus.

“India is likely to experience the energy surplus of 1.1 per cent in 2016-17,” says the Load Generation and Balance Report (LGBR) 2016-17 of the Central Electricity Authority (CEA), which functions under the Power Ministry.

Surplus or deficit is determined by calculating the difference between the demand for power and availability. It is the definition of “demand” that lies at the base of this paradox.

https://www.equitymaster.com/diary/...rplus-India-Why-Power-Cuts-are-Still-the-Norm

What this clearly tells us is that India as a whole has surplus power. Nevertheless, large parts of the country still suffer from power cuts. Just go to news.google.com and say power cuts + India and you will get a spate of news reports on it.

One such news report recently appeared in The Economic Times. It points out that no Pan-India data on power cuts is available, nevertheless, rural India and small towns experience regular power cuts.

An NGO called Prayas, has been monitoring power cuts in different parts of the country and coming up with a monthly report. As of now the April 2016 report is available. The report collects data from 160 locations (33 Rural and 127 Urban). It essentially looks at three main parameters of the quality of power supply. These are: i) no supply hours, ii) number of interruptions, and, iii) evening hours of supply.The report states that in April 2016, 46 per cent of the locations experienced power cuts of more than 15 hours. 24 per cent of the locations experienced 30 power cuts of more than fifteen minutes each. 16 per cent of the locations experienced an average 30 minutes of power cut in the evenings.

The one weakness with these figures is that most of the locations where the NGO is monitoring power cuts are in urban areas. The power situation in urban areas is much better than rural areas. Hence, to that extent these figures are not representative enough. The overall power cuts are likely to be much worse.

The following graph shows us how bad the power cuts are in the state of Uttar Pradesh. In the five locations that Prayas tracks in the state, there was no power for 418 hours on an average in April, 2016. This works out to around 17.4 days. Hence, there was no power in the rural areas of Uttar Pradesh, for more than half of April, as per the Prayas report. Interestingly, Bihar did much better than Uttar Pradesh and had no power for only 7.5 days during the course of the month.

While this data is not definitive, it does tell us that power cuts are still the norm in large parts of India. This despite the fact that the country now has surplus power.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

If India decides to shown down the power grid, how can pakistan be in any more trouble than it already is ?

Pakistan would be in the same position as it is right now.

Let say you rent a place to open a restaurant and assuming that the landlord will provide you electricity, what happen if the landlord decide to cut your electricity, can you claim that you're just back to what you was?...what happen to all your business, all your investment? all will be lost.

Same logic for Pakistan to buy India electricity to power their industries and manufacturing plant, if India decide to shut down, Pakistan sure will back to the way it was but their investment, manufacturing plants that depend on India's electricity will be jeopardized.

 

[JetCool]

Power surplus does not mean no power cuts . There is huge mismanagement when it comes to electricity distribution in India . Also Pakistan though might have more load shedding than India more % of our population have access to electricity compared to India where 21 % has been in virtual darkness since 47 .



Pakistan 97 % of population access to electricity
India 79 %



In India, 300 million people don’t have access to electricity, power cuts are rampant and per capita power consumption is significantly lower than the world average. In sharp contrast to this, the Power Ministry says India is power-surplus.

“India is likely to experience the energy surplus of 1.1 per cent in 2016-17,” says the Load Generation and Balance Report (LGBR) 2016-17 of the Central Electricity Authority (CEA), which functions under the Power Ministry.

Surplus or deficit is determined by calculating the difference between the demand for power and availability. It is the definition of “demand” that lies at the base of this paradox.


What this clearly tells us is that India as a whole has surplus power. Nevertheless, large parts of the country still suffer from power cuts. Just go to google and say power cuts + India and you will get a spate of news reports on it.

One such news report recently appeared in The Economic Times. It points out that no Pan-India data on power cuts is available, nevertheless, rural India and small towns experience regular power cuts.

An NGO called Prayas, has been monitoring power cuts in different parts of the country and coming up with a monthly report. As of now the April 2016 report is available. The report collects data from 160 locations (33 Rural and 127 Urban). It essentially looks at three main parameters of the quality of power supply. These are: i) no supply hours, ii) number of interruptions, and, iii) evening hours of supply.The report states that in April 2016, 46 per cent of the locations experienced power cuts of more than 15 hours. 24 per cent of the locations experienced 30 power cuts of more than fifteen minutes each. 16 per cent of the locations experienced an average 30 minutes of power cut in the evenings.

The one weakness with these figures is that most of the locations where the NGO is monitoring power cuts are in urban areas. The power situation in urban areas is much better than rural areas. Hence, to that extent these figures are not representative enough. The overall power cuts are likely to be much worse.

The following graph shows us how bad the power cuts are in the state of Uttar Pradesh. In the five locations that Prayas tracks in the state, there was no power for 418 hours on an average in April, 2016. This works out to around 17.4 days. Hence, there was no power in the rural areas of Uttar Pradesh, for more than half of April, as per the Prayas report. Interestingly, Bihar did much better than Uttar Pradesh and had no power for only 7.5 days during the course of the month.

While this data is not definitive, it does tell us that power cuts are still the norm in large parts of India. This despite the fact that the country now has surplus power.

This is old news because Uttar pradesh had Refused to sign the Central govt’s ambitious scheme of 24×7 ‘Power for All’.


1. This pact was signed on 11 APril 2017 by the new UP CM, Yogi adityanath and he has already delivered 18 hour power supply to rural areas in the state, 24 hours of uninterrupted power supply to district headquarters and 20 hours of power supply to Tehsil headquarters in the state.

This scheme will ensure 24×7 supply of electricity to every household by September 2018.


2. Bihar, being home to approx. 8% of the national population, has inadequate total installed capacity. Bihar is now electrifying around 140 lakh rural households by FY 2018-19 under the DDUGJY scheme of GoI and through offgrid solutions. The remaining rural households are supposed to be using electricity from nearby electrified households as combined units. Also, 100% urban household’s electrification is being planned during 2018-19.


3. Maharashtra for the first time faced NO POWER CUTS in 2016. The state is going to see an energy surplus (excess of availability over requirement) of 7.4% in 2016-17.

4. Goa had a power shortage of 150 MW, but the newly operational garbage treatement plan in January 2017 is generating around 873kW of power per month for its own consumption from the biogas created from biodegradable waste. Surplus power of 375kW is also being generated every month.

Goa will become power surplus this year.

Let say you rent a place to open a restaurant and assuming that the landlord will provide you electricity, what happen if the landlord decide to cut your electricity, can you claim that you're just back to what you was?...what happen to all your business, all your investment? all will be lost.

Same logic for Pakistan to buy India electricity to power their industries and manufacturing plant, if India decide to shut down, Pakistan sure will back to the way it was but their investment, manufacturing plants that depend on India's electricity will be jeopardized.

People will open restaurants irrespective of whether India provides power or not. They do it so that they can have some lively hood.

Indian power will ensure that the restaurant will now have lights to do more business. People do not open up small business after looking at international relations

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

People will open restaurants irrespective of whether India provides power or not. They do it so that they can have some lively hood.

Indian power will ensure that the restaurant will now have lights to do more business. People do not open up small business after looking at international relations

People sure will open restaurants but they don't want to rely on the unreliable source of energy that subjected to a potential political blackmail.

 

[JetCool]

People sure will open restaurants but they don't want to rely on the unreliable source of energy that subjected to a potential political blackmail.

They will continue to rely on pakistani electricity boards to supply the power

Punjab will be selling power to pakistani boards, not to the consumer. Its for the pakistan electricity grid to balance the grid and supply to the consumer.

 

[I.R.A]

What say Pakistanis?

It's more of your need / problem rather than our's. You are not that nice ...........

 

[anant_s]

Pakistan will buy electricity from bharat instead of Iran or China

Lower tariff rates
&
Lower transmission losses on account of shorter X-mission lines.

 

[Max]

Thanks, but right now i dont think Pakistan need imported energy as most of our 10000+MW projects under CPEC are near completion..

 

[Levina]

It's more of your need / problem rather than our's.

To us it's an option, to you its a necessity.

 

[I.R.A]

To us it's an option, to you its a necessity.

When did money become an option for a baniya?

Our necessity can be met from other sources .... plus india has always been there even when we were facing the worst shortfall.

 

[Icarus]

For the members who aren't aware,14years back Pakistan was supposed to sell power to us(500MW I guess). But the tables have turned now.

Pakistan still has an installed capacity that surpasses demand but unfortunately, these plants run on furnace oil and were installed back when we used to get subsidized oil from the Arabs. Existing oil prices make the production units unfeasible because the per unit cost no longer remains viable for consumer use.
Which leads me to my first point that the decision to import electricity from India was to be a stop gap measure until new projects are set up which rely on hydel, coal, LNG, solar, wind and nuclear power.
Secondly, this project was rooted in the brief Indo-Pak detente during the 2011-13 period when Pakistan had taken the mammoth step to state for the first time in the Green Book that India was no longer the primary threat to Pakistan's existence and efforts were now to be focused on dealing with the TTP who posed a more pressing existential challenge to the country. India failed to capitalize on this show of confidence and for one reason or another, did not respond as proactively as they should have towards consolidating this new approach. In the existing circumstances, we are no longer in a position where we could accept electricity from India, the country has been very hostile over the last few years and to integrate their input into our energy grid would be severely compromising its security. So unfortunately, this gesture is about as useful as putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound, that too after death.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Just like... India claims to be able to export missiles to Taiwan, and then the Taiwanese say in PTT - what?????

 

[Pakistan First]

Ideally, Pakistan-India-Iran-Afghanistan should have agreements whereby any surplus power, water, gas, etc should/could be sold/purchased by any party from the other at pre-agreed rates.