plz people watch this video and stop this useless fight

[Albatross]

Absolutely agree that that is how the real world works. Another example, today there is permissible nudity/selling alcohol in some Muslim nations. But according to Islam they rendered them selves infidels. NO you aren't Muslim if you reject half of the religion. If you claim to be a Muslim nation and sell alcohol publicly in your nation, you're no longer a Muslim nation period. If you claim to be a Muslim, but reject God's Law(Islamic Law which God came up with himself) you're a disbeliever. Muslims or Christians can delude themselves as much as they want, that's not going to change the fact that they're infidels. So I'm sorry, once I again I'll state ISIS/Al Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood are the only true Muslims because they do agree with Muhammad/Islam's teachings that Sharia Law is literally God's holy law and that an Islamic state has to be formed to prevent unGodly norms from being openly practiced in the society.

Believing in God doesn't cut it, you're still an infidel if you cherry pick your religion. People that believe in God will still go to hell. Muhammad said in hadith that people who rejected Islam but still believe in God will go to hell. Even if they are forgiven later. I'm not judging people who have problems following parts to their religion. I have a problem with those types of people who judge the 'extremists' when they don't even realize those 'extremists' are actually implementing their Abrahamic faiths.



They are identical to the Muslim Brotherhood, with exception that they don't get involved in politics. Separating Church and State in Islam is haram. So once again I reject your notion that they're the rightly guided ones. Muslim Brotherhood gets involved in politics, but stops short of forming Islamic state. They try to slowly implement Shariah Law. Sometimes they don't. Which again, in Islam means you're not the rightly guided ones. In Abrahamic tradition, the rightly guided ones are the ones who reject all forms of modern governance/politics and instead implement religious form of governance which was commanded to them by their God. Whether in Islam or Judaism. Christianity is just reform Judaism by the way, so Christians technically follow Jewish law.

So all three religions are supposed to be doing what ISIS/AQ is doing. Which is forming a religious society. But they all hate religion and don't want a religious society. No matter how much they lie to themselves. ISIS/AQ recognize that most adherents of Abrahamic faiths actually despise their own faith. So ISIS/AQ is trying to forcefully form this religious society agains the will of adherents of Abrahamic faiths.

Once again, I don't believe in religion. I'm just telling you morons who follow these religions that you're wrong and the 'extremists' are correct.

You have no idea what you are talking about as you are most probably a Hindu faking as a Muslim which shows your integrity .

Nomatter how hard you try you cant paint Islam what it is not and neither can ISIS maniacs its too great a religion to be viewed by the limited minds of people like you .

Its thus useless to argue with you as you lack logic and ability to comprehend things that are alien to you as you are used to be brainwashed by your media.

Allah Subhan Tallah is beyond the imagination and grasp of a common muslim leave alone a disbeliever.

"Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the Glass as it were a brilliant star: lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the East nor of the West, whose Oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things."

Sura e Noor Verse 35

And just to give you a glimpse of reality despite all these terror allegations since 2001 and helping ISIS to malign Islam its the fastest growing religion in the world and will remain so for the forseeable future while your Hinduism is shrinking along with all other religions.

The world's fastest growing major religion. Islam is said to be the fastest growing religion with the world's population of 1.6 billion Muslims predicted to expand to 2.3 billion by 2050, according to the Pew Research Centre.Nov 13, 2015

What's the fastest growing religion in Australia? | SBS News

Islam is the 'fastest growing religion' and will 'overtake Christianity by the end of the century' - Mirror Online

It will overtake Christianity as worlds largest religion by end of this century.

So now go ponder why is it so despite all this anti muslim rants from likes of you across world. Allah is too great a force to be overcomed by the manipulation of illiterates like you


Islam is growing and will grow no matter what you say about it . You people are just blind in hatred towards muslims nothing else.

@SarthakGanguly Same applies to you dear

 

[ultron]

ISIS and Qaeda are lunatic pot smokers. They are not Muslims.

 

[Falcon29]

You have no idea what you are talking about as you are most probably a Hindu faking as a Muslim which shows your integrity .

I understand you're getting emotional but I'm no Hindu.

Nomatter how hard you try you cant paint Islam what it is not and neither can ISIS maniacs its too great a religion to be viewed by the limited minds of people like you .

Actually I believed very strongly in Islam and supported formation of religious state. All Muslims called me a terrorist for that. So I became an agnostic, as clearly Muslims don't believe in their religion.

Its thus useless to argue with you as you lack logic and ability to comprehend things that are alien to you as you are used to be brainwashed by your media.

I'm using logic in all my assessments. And no, I don't like the media in the West. It's not objective and has bias. You can be agnostic and refuse to be indoctrinated by media.

The world's fastest growing major religion. Islam is said to be the fastest growing religion with the world's population of 1.6 billion Muslims predicted to expand to 2.3 billion by 2050, according to the Pew Research Centre.Nov 13, 2015

It's fasting growing because of recreation. But, still, even if it becomes 3 billion. 2.95 billion are closet atheists who reject implementing their religion. That's not going to change the fact that they are majority infidels if they stand against formation of religious society as prescribed by the Abrahamic God.

Islam is growing and will grow no matter what you say about it . You people are just blind in hatred towards muslims nothing else.

Actually no, I don't have blind hatred towards Muslims. I defend Muslims many times from hatred here. I have a problem with them in sense that they're hypocritical and try to lecture me on what Islam is or isn't.

 

[Tiger Genie]

@Falcon29 @hinduguy - Falcon is right about some of what he says. Muhammad incorporated laws and practices necessary, or what he considered necessary, for the ills plaguing the arabic society at that time. Unfortunately a majority of muslims over the centuries have failed to adopt it to the needs of the changing world. Instead they simply utter the words just like a robot will and then for worldly practice do whatever they please.
In fact it is this almost global hypocrisy is seen as the islamic religion because it has become so global amongst muslims!

@Falcon29 @hinduguy - Falcon is right about some of what he says. Muhammad incorporated laws and practices necessary, or what he considered necessary, for the ills plaguing the arabic society at that time. Unfortunately a majority of muslims over the centuries have failed to adopt it to the needs of the changing world. Instead they simply utter the words just like a robot will and then for worldly practice do whatever they please.
In fact it is this almost global hypocrisy is seen as the islamic religion because it has become so global amongst muslims!

The ISIS and AQ lunatics will quote exact chapter and verse to show what they are doing is what their religion wants them to do...no different from for example zaid hamid or his ilk will quote the quran to justify something or other! in zamid's case it is the conspiracy and in isis's case it is violence

 

[Falcon29]

@Tiger Genie

Well the point of Abrahamic religions is that they shall remain unchanged and are complete/perfected. So humans should make a decision, either follow it or abandon it completely. There is middle ground technically speaking, spiritually speaking, the Abrahamic God rejects any middle ground. So we should decide, either religions isn't true. Or we agree to let one side of the world live in religious society and the rest secular and just give the people the choice.

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Agree about your point Muslims doing whatever they seek/need for worldly practice.

 

[livingdead]

@Falcon29 @hinduguy - Falcon is right about some of what he says. Muhammad incorporated laws and practices necessary, or what he considered necessary, for the ills plaguing the arabic society at that time. Unfortunately a majority of muslims over the centuries have failed to adopt it to the needs of the changing world. Instead they simply utter the words just like a robot will and then for worldly practice do whatever they please.
In fact it is this almost global hypocrisy is seen as the islamic religion because it has become so global amongst muslims!

you just contradicted falcon by saying muslims should adopt to the changing world. As per his test, you are muslim if you believe and practice in islamic doctorine, whole of it(not cherry picked as you please), unchanged by changes in modern world, because surely words of god is for eternity and all mankind and not only 7th century arabia. Any modernization/reinterpretation is merely doing what you please and using islam as a identity(which he is against).

muslims are doing what is done by people of every faith. If you call muslims hypocrites, so are people of every major faith.

 

[Albatross]

I understand you're getting emotional but I'm no Hindu.



Actually I believed very strongly in Islam and supported formation of religious state. All Muslims called me a terrorist for that. So I became an agnostic, as clearly Muslims don't believe in their religion.



I'm using logic in all my assessments. And no, I don't like the media in the West. It's not objective and has bias. You can be agnostic and refuse to be indoctrinated by media.



It's fasting growing because of recreation. But, still, even if it becomes 3 billion. 2.95 billion are closet atheists who reject implementing their religion. That's not going to change the fact that they are majority infidels if they stand against formation of religious society as prescribed by the Abrahamic God.



Actually no, I don't have blind hatred towards Muslims. I defend Muslims many times from hatred here. I have a problem with them in sense that they're hypocritical and try to lecture me on what Islam is or isn't.

Well you are a Hindu or a Jew but not a Muslim as you seem totally devoid of any divine guidance.

Islam doesn't ask for formation of religious state straight away it asks for first self purification which comes from Jihad e Akbar as I mentioned.

Its fast growing because of recreation how prove that ?
Its fast growing because people from other religions are converting to Islam including Hindus , bhuddists and Christians to name the leading religions.

Yeah if you will associate something like ISIS with Islam I or anyother learned Muslim will teach you that you are wrong like I am doing.

Most of the people hate Islam without reading it and most who reads it become Muslims that's the beauty of this religion and reason for all this conversions.

Infact these propaganda campaigns against Islam have helped it as when people heard so much bad it they were curious enough to read Quran to see what this religion says and when one reads words of creator with a neutral mind he can not remain a disbeliever anymore considering the beauty with which the Almighty has explained everything one needs to know to live a peaceful , prosperous life.

 

[livingdead]

@Albatross its not fastest growing religion 'in the world', the data is very dodgy(made up by christian alamists to propagate a sense of fear). In some countries it fastest because it came from very low base(1 muslim to 2 is 100% increase). The majority increase is not 'procreation' in non muslim countries, but migration.(in muslim countries it might be due to high birth rate but hindus and christians in many countries have high birth rate).
There is conversion from other religion to islam but there is a large conversion from islam to atheism(which is not out in open, so does not come in stats).

@Falcon29 can I ask a personal question. Is your change to agnosticism due to you being a palestinian? There is a belief that large number of jews became atheist due to holocust. Surely if all powerful god cannot stop holocust of chosen people, there is a good chance that he does not even care to exist(to a jewish mind disillusioned by holocust).
Did it also play in your mind, that surely allah cannot possibly let palestinians face hardship.
Or was it something else that changed your mind?

 

[Albatross]

@Tiger Genie

Well the point of Abrahamic religions is that they shall remain unchanged and are complete/perfected. So humans should make a decision, either follow it or abandon it completely. There is middle ground technically speaking, spiritually speaking, the Abrahamic God rejects any middle ground. So we should decide, either religions isn't true. Or we agree to let one side of the world live in religious society and the rest secular and just give the people the choice.

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Agree about your point Muslims doing whatever they seek/need for worldly practice.

Well there is room in Islam for changing environment and circumstances.

Ijtihad (Arabic: اجتهاد‎ ijtihād, "diligence") is an Islamic legal term that means "independent reasoning" or "the utmost effort an individual can put forth in an activity."[1] It is recognized as the decision-making process in Islamic law (sharia) through personal effort (jihad) which is completely independent of any school (madhhab) of jurisprudence (fiqh).


Islam has given some basic things to live life but it offers plenty of room for one to decide as per the changing circumstances.

Allah has made it the last religion and have perfected it many ways so that it encompass all the issues of one's life and also allows free thinking infact its one of the basic teachings of Islam to think and learn .

Islam has been badly damaged by illiterate Mullahs who used it as their bread and butter and to keep their influence in society but it doesn't effect its beauty and effectiveness as Quran is their for those who seek guidance and then the creator is there 24/7 to see who is seeking with a pure heart the knowledge he will grant him whatever he is asking about as he has means beyond one's imagination.


So its a totally wrong notion Islam was for only 6th century Arabs and addressed their concerns only just read Quran and you will see what I mean .

@Albatross its not fastest growing religion 'in the world', the data is very dodgy(made up by christian alamists to propagate a sense of fear). In some countries it fastest because it came from very low base(1 muslim to 2 is 100% increase). The majority increase is not 'procreation' in non muslim countries, but migration.(in muslim countries it might be due to high birth rate but hindus and christians in many countries have high birth rate).
There is conversion from other religion to islam but there is a large conversion from islam to atheism(which is not out in open, so does not come in stats).

That's what you like to believe but its against facts.
There was no Muslim influx into Russia but still
Muslims In Russia's Army Will Be The Majority In 2020 |

Even if Muslims migrate across borders it wont change their world population which they expect to be roughly 3 billion by end of century which is not possible without people from other faith converting to Islam.
You look around in your india we still keep hearing news of people converting to Islam while the already existing muslim population of India of 180 million converted from Hindus , Sikhs and Bhuddists only.

This survey and research is from Pew institute which is a very renowned neutral institute .

I know it hurts the ego of some people but one should learn to see facts how they are infact how one wants them to be.

However, according to others, including the 2003 edition of the Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year.

John L. Esposito, a scholar on the subject of Islam in "The Oxford History of Islam" states that the spread of Islam "was often peaceful and sometimes even received favourably by Christians".[95] In a 2008 conference on religion at Yale University's The MacMillan Center Initiative on Religion, Politics, and Society which hosted a speech from Hugh Kennedy, he stated forced conversions played little part in the history of the spread of the faith.[96] However, the poll tax known Jizyah may have played a part in converting people over to Islam but as Britannica notes "The rate of taxation and methods of collection varied greatly from province to province and were greatly influenced by local pre-Islamic customs" and there were even cases when Muslims had the tax levied against them, on top of Zakat.[97] Hugh Kennedy has also discussed the Jizyah issue and stated that Muslim governments discouraged conversion but were unable to prevent it.[98]

Growth of religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


This debunks the common myth propagated by Hindus and many other that Islam spread with the power of sword.

Another good read

Why are So Many Westerners Converting to Islam? | CBN.com (beta)

 

[livingdead]

@Albatross how can islam be the fastest growing religion in the world 'each year' by conversion according to guiness book of records in 2003, surely they meant its only in 2003, right?
Can you give me some link to stats that says its so.

 

[Albatross]

@Albatross how can islam be the fastest growing religion in the world 'each year' by conversion according to guiness book of records in 2003, surely they meant its only in 2003, right?
Can you give me some link to stats that says its so.

Read about Islam in

Growth of religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[livingdead]

Read about Islam in

Growth of religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you did not answer my question, guiness records is not holy book, its updated every year. 2003 edition cannot possibly make such assertion about future. And they certainly do not have conversion data of most countries as its not collected. You need statistics for this, research institutes like pew are good at judging general trend(by taking a sample size of opinion and extrapolating it) but they cant possibly gather stats. Only national govts have money to do so.

 

[Albatross]

you did not answer my question, guiness records is not holy book, its updated every year. 2003 edition cannot possibly make such assertion about future. And they certainly do not have conversion data of most countries as its not collected. You need statistics for this, research institutes like pew are good at judging general trend(by taking a sample size of opinion and extrapolating it) but they cant possibly gather stats. Only national govts have money to do so.

They might have found it in their year over year findings anyways I quoted it from Wiki you can go there follow the link provided there to further read on guiness site .

 

[Aslan]

I need my 3 minutes back
And thay chick's number. That's it

 

[livingdead]

They might have found it in their year over year findings anyways I quoted it from Wiki you can go there follow the link provided there to further read on guiness site .

out of curiosity, do you have conversion data of pakistan? also what is the probability that a muslim who converted to christianity will show up that that data?