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Written by a west bengali, his insecurity is understandable.
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By Amitava Mukherjee*

In the last week of May 2016, Bangladesh had hosted the Chinese Defence Minister, General Chang Wanguan,in a quiet manner. But, the visit must have raised eyebrows in the corridors of power in New Delhi because it has signaled the possibility of China and Bangladesh serving each other’s strategic and military needs in near future which may go against India’s interests in South Asia.

A subterranean tension between India and Bangladesh over the latter’s foreign policy initiatives exists, but this may get a new dimension after Chang Wanguan’s visit. Welcoming the Chinese Defence Minister, Abdul Hamid, the President of Bangladesh, had said that his country totally supports China so far as the latter’s core interests are concerned including Beijing’s One Belt and One Road (OBOR) initiative and its interests in the South China Sea.

Nothing can be more provocative for India as China considers control over the Indian Ocean a matter of core interest and its increasing forays into the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean have raised the prospect of the region’s militarization. Equally interesting is the attitude of the Bangladesh army which is now showing signs of transgressing into areas which are traditionally reserved for political executives in a parliamentary form of government. During his last visit to Beijing, Abu Belal Mohammed Shafiul Huq, the Bangladesh army chief, had not only expressed his desire for training of Bangladesh army personnel by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) of China but had also talked about broader and deeper cooperation between the armies of China and Bangladesh.

But this is a logical corollary of the strategic relationship that the two countries have built up over the years. China is now Bangladesh’s largest arms supplier. Beijing now supplies arms to 35 countries, and of them, Bangladesh is the second largest customer. This may look a little bit odd given Bangladesh’s small size. But in recent time, Bangladesh was seen in the international arms market on a buying spree. It has purchased helicopters from France, aircrafts from Germany, light helicopters from Italy and armoured personnel carriers from Russia. But it will be wrong to assume that Dhaka’s source of arms purchase is manifold. Eighty two percent of Bangladesh’s total arms purchase comes from China while the corresponding figure for Pakistan, Beijing’s principal pawn in the South Asian strategic chessboard, is only 54 percent. For an impoverished country like Bangladesh, its total annual expenditure for buying arms in 2015 was a mind boggling figure- more than USD 2 billion.

Hasina Wazed’s growing preference for China instead of India in South Asian scenario perhaps stems from her desire for increased Chinese investments in her country. But, in doing so she has exhibited her political immaturity. While on tour in China in June 2014, she entered into various agreements with Beijing which were militarily uncomfortable for India. But after coming back to Dhaka, Hasina announced that she was prepared to condone China’s role during Bangladesh’s liberation war. (China had supported Pakistan when the latter was committing genocide in Bangladesh.) At a stroke this washed away whatever credibility Hasina Wazed used to enjoy with Bangladeshi freedom fighters.

Something strange is there in Bangladesh’s strategic formulation. In April 2015, Dhaka entered into agreements with Moscow for buying six Russian military Mi- 171SH combat transport helicopters and one Mi-171E medium light transport aircraft in spite of the fact that Bangladesh’s military necessity is very limited. Engaging India in any war is out of question for Dhaka. It has a dispute with Myanmar on the Rohingya issue. But, no country goes to war on so minor a problem. So the only explanation is that Bangladesh is repositioning itself on the South Asian strategic map either to play a bigger role or perform the role of a proxy for any big power.

The second postulate becomes stronger by the fact that Bangladesh has handed over to China the task of development and modernization of the Chittagong port. This will give Beijing an excellent base for spreading its influence in the Bay of Bengal- Indian Ocean region. Secondly till a year ago Dhaka had plans to build a deep sea port at the Sonadia island in the Bay of Bengal off Cox Bazar by Chinese finance,technology and administrative control but was forced to abandon the plan under intense US and Indian pressure.

But between 2008 and 2012, Bangladesh purchased from China tanks, anti-ship missiles and fighter aircrafts. Two Chinese submarines, purchased from Beijing at a cost of $ 203 million are expected to join the Bangladesh navy later this year. In addition, Bangladesh has already commissioned two new Chinese frigates in 2014 and its navy has already tested fired automated missiles.

New Delhi is also not very sure about the future trajectory of its relations with Bangladesh. Therefore, it has decided to build a deep sea port at the Sagar Island in West Bengal which will have an advanced post of the Indian Navy and infrastructures for land to ship and surface to air missile bases.

http://www.eurasiareview.com/280620...gladeshs-growing-closeness-to-china-analysis/
 
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Written by a west bengali, his insecurity is understandable.
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By Amitava Mukherjee*

In the last week of May 2016, Bangladesh had hosted the Chinese Defence Minister, General Chang Wanguan,in a quiet manner. But, the visit must have raised eyebrows in the corridors of power in New Delhi because it has signaled the possibility of China and Bangladesh serving each other’s strategic and military needs in near future which may go against India’s interests in South Asia.

A subterranean tension between India and Bangladesh over the latter’s foreign policy initiatives exists, but this may get a new dimension after Chang Wanguan’s visit. Welcoming the Chinese Defence Minister, Abdul Hamid, the President of Bangladesh, had said that his country totally supports China so far as the latter’s core interests are concerned including Beijing’s One Belt and One Road (OBOR) initiative and its interests in the South China Sea.

Nothing can be more provocative for India as China considers control over the Indian Ocean a matter of core interest and its increasing forays into the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean have raised the prospect of the region’s militarization. Equally interesting is the attitude of the Bangladesh army which is now showing signs of transgressing into areas which are traditionally reserved for political executives in a parliamentary form of government. During his last visit to Beijing, Abu Belal Mohammed Shafiul Huq, the Bangladesh army chief, had not only expressed his desire for training of Bangladesh army personnel by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) of China but had also talked about broader and deeper cooperation between the armies of China and Bangladesh.

But this is a logical corollary of the strategic relationship that the two countries have built up over the years. China is now Bangladesh’s largest arms supplier. Beijing now supplies arms to 35 countries, and of them, Bangladesh is the second largest customer. This may look a little bit odd given Bangladesh’s small size. But in recent time, Bangladesh was seen in the international arms market on a buying spree. It has purchased helicopters from France, aircrafts from Germany, light helicopters from Italy and armoured personnel carriers from Russia. But it will be wrong to assume that Dhaka’s source of arms purchase is manifold. Eighty two percent of Bangladesh’s total arms purchase comes from China while the corresponding figure for Pakistan, Beijing’s principal pawn in the South Asian strategic chessboard, is only 54 percent. For an impoverished country like Bangladesh, its total annual expenditure for buying arms in 2015 was a mind boggling figure- more than USD 2 billion.

Hasina Wazed’s growing preference for China instead of India in South Asian scenario perhaps stems from her desire for increased Chinese investments in her country. But, in doing so she has exhibited her political immaturity. While on tour in China in June 2014, she entered into various agreements with Beijing which were militarily uncomfortable for India. But after coming back to Dhaka, Hasina announced that she was prepared to condone China’s role during Bangladesh’s liberation war. (China had supported Pakistan when the latter was committing genocide in Bangladesh.) At a stroke this washed away whatever credibility Hasina Wazed used to enjoy with Bangladeshi freedom fighters.

Something strange is there in Bangladesh’s strategic formulation. In April 2015, Dhaka entered into agreements with Moscow for buying six Russian military Mi- 171SH combat transport helicopters and one Mi-171E medium light transport aircraft in spite of the fact that Bangladesh’s military necessity is very limited. Engaging India in any war is out of question for Dhaka. It has a dispute with Myanmar on the Rohingya issue. But, no country goes to war on so minor a problem. So the only explanation is that Bangladesh is repositioning itself on the South Asian strategic map either to play a bigger role or perform the role of a proxy for any big power.

The second postulate becomes stronger by the fact that Bangladesh has handed over to China the task of development and modernization of the Chittagong port. This will give Beijing an excellent base for spreading its influence in the Bay of Bengal- Indian Ocean region. Secondly till a year ago Dhaka had plans to build a deep sea port at the Sonadia island in the Bay of Bengal off Cox Bazar by Chinese finance,technology and administrative control but was forced to abandon the plan under intense US and Indian pressure.

But between 2008 and 2012, Bangladesh purchased from China tanks, anti-ship missiles and fighter aircrafts. Two Chinese submarines, purchased from Beijing at a cost of $ 203 million are expected to join the Bangladesh navy later this year. In addition, Bangladesh has already commissioned two new Chinese frigates in 2014 and its navy has already tested fired automated missiles.

New Delhi is also not very sure about the future trajectory of its relations with Bangladesh. Therefore, it has decided to build a deep sea port at the Sagar Island in West Bengal which will have an advanced post of the Indian Navy and infrastructures for land to ship and surface to air missile bases.

http://www.eurasiareview.com/280620...gladeshs-growing-closeness-to-china-analysis/
another rona dhona :sarcastic::sarcastic:
 
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I have written in a few threads of this Forum that in the guise of a friend of India, BD is arming itself gradually. It has moved the air force main base away from the Indian border to a far away Cox's Bazaar that finger points at Myanmar. This is a cunning maneuvering.

I do not like the domestic politics of SHW and her BAL. But, in the international arena her govt has made good relationship with all the big powers who have stakes in the BoB. This include India, who gets a preferential treatment from BD. India is getting transit facilities for its NE and is expanding it with the help of SHW.

India prefers less democracy in BD because it wants SHW to cling to power. India dislikes BKZ because of her Pakistan and S. Arabia-centric policy. But, SHW has to survive with the support from within the country, and not India. So, she has to listen to what the military establishment wants from her. It wants a China-centric policy that can help BD to retain its sovereignty with military hard wares supplied by China.

There is no way BD population will ever trust or like India. India has lost all its credibility by trying to play a big DADA role on BD. Simply speaking, this stance has backfired on India's face. India has to re-think about its dealing with BD. It must get rid of DADA syndrome, respect its sovereignty and deal BD in terms of equality, although, I think, it is already too late.
 
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I hope one day BD can get it self away from the evil clutches of its big neighbor, BD should only look forward to China as it can help her with military and economically. Best wishes from Pakistan to BD friends. :D:D
 
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If Bangladesh wants to cozy up to China it is none of India's business.
Business...
Yes it is our business.
We have every right to keep an eye on whats happening in our neighborhood and expand our regional influence. If not anything, India-BD share the fifth largest border in the world which also happens to be an open border.

There is no way BD population will ever trust or like India.
Outside PDF i dont find many BDians talking your language. :)
 
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If Bangladesh wants to cozy up to China it is none of India's business.

I wouldn't call it even cozying up. This is necessary considering that most of China's low value addition industries will be re-located to Bangladesh.

WB Dada's of every variety like to bad mouth Bangladesh at every opportunity when we are more than willing to allow them to come to Bangladesh and work here. :rolleyes:

Hasina Wazed’s growing preference for China instead of India in South Asian scenario perhaps stems from her desire for increased Chinese investments in her country. But, in doing so she has exhibited her political immaturity.

What *would* be mature then?? :crazy:

Option A, letting your people eat.

Option B, refuse FDI and tow Indian line. Yeah - that's going to bring in money. When India *is* a competitor in exports to us.....

Choice is clear.

Something strange is there in Bangladesh’s strategic formulation. In April 2015, Dhaka entered into agreements with Moscow for buying six Russian military Mi- 171SH combat transport helicopters and one Mi-171E medium light transport aircraft in spite of the fact that Bangladesh’s military necessity is very limited. Engaging India in any war is out of question for Dhaka. It has a dispute with Myanmar on the Rohingya issue. But, no country goes to war on so minor a problem. So the only explanation is that Bangladesh is repositioning itself on the South Asian strategic map either to play a bigger role or perform the role of a proxy for any big power.

Next time Army should ask bewakoof idiot Amitabh Dada before gauging 'military necessity' and ordering aircraft.

He should have just come out and said China.

The second postulate becomes stronger by the fact that Bangladesh has handed over to China the task of development and modernization of the Chittagong port. This will give Beijing an excellent base for spreading its influence in the Bay of Bengal- Indian Ocean region.

The contract went to China because they build real ports - 34 kms into the open sea. Google it. India's experience is nowhere in comparison.

Bangladesh has already commissioned two new Chinese frigates in 2014 and its navy has already tested fired automated missiles.

So?? Does the Bangladesh Navy has to ask Amitabh Dada on this too....?

New Delhi is also not very sure about the future trajectory of its relations with Bangladesh. Therefore, it has decided to build a deep sea port at the Sagar Island in West Bengal which will have an advanced post of the Indian Navy and infrastructures for land to ship and surface to air missile bases.

Correction - New Delhi is very sure about the future trajectory of its relations with Bangladesh.

It wants to keep down Bangladesh as a dependent vassal state and a convenient market for its third rate shoddy products it can't even sell at home. Case closed. They start whining when the plan is not working.
 
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Business...
Yes it is our business.
We have every right to keep an eye on whats happening in our neighborhood and expand our regional influence. If not anything, India-BD share the fifth largest border in the world which also happens to be an open border.


Outside PDF i dont find many BDians talking your language. :)

Outside PDF, most BDeshis are genteel people. I visit Chittagong Grammar School biannually and have often entertain BDeshis intelligentsia as well as blue collar folk and none of them have any kind of mirth or malice for India. There is some old fashioned envy but more or less that is to be expected. To be honest I don't find them any different from our Muslim West Bengal brothers and sisters. PDF Bangladeshis are either in flesh Pakistanis or exiled outcasts. So don't pay them much head.

As for China - It is understandable, China is a preeminent power and BD will look to play it's card right so that it can extract maximum from China as well as India. Who ever offers more goodies such as finance, connectivity and market access will become dearer to BD. That is how that world works.
 
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Our true friend, China. What has India done except stacking debts for us?

Outside PDF, most BDeshis are genteel people. I visit Chittagong Grammar School biannually and have often entertain BDeshis intelligentsia and blue collar folk and none of them have any kind of mirth or malice for India. There is some old fashioned envy but more or less that is to be expected. To be honest I don't find them any different from our Muslim West Bengal brothers and sisters. PDF Bangladeshis are either in flesh Pakistanis or exiled outcasts. So don't pay them much head.

As for China - It is understandable, China is a preeminent power and BD will look to play it's card right so that it can extract maximum from China as well as India. Who ever offers more goodies such as finance, connectivity and market access will become dearer to BD. That is how that world works.

We are all Bengalis whether it be abroad or in our country. No one here is trying to be a Pakistani. India was never considered our dusto.
 
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Our true friend, China. What has India done except stacking debts for us?



We are all Bengalis whether it be abroad or in our country. No one here is trying to be a Pakistani. India was never considered our dusto.

Where was your true friend China in '71? It was busy supporting operations against you.
Why don't the BD migrants flock to China instead of Assam and W.B. I am sure China will open their doors wide open.
 
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Where was your true friend China in '71? It was busy supporting operations against you.
Why don't the BD migrants flock to China instead of Assam and W.B. I am sure China will open their doors wide open.

I'm sure you know better that anything on the Bangladesh forum boils down to 1971, so I won't get into the dynamics of that, it just means derailing the thread. A look at the map and some common sense will show you why migrants flock to WB or Assam.

Where was your true friend China in '71? It was busy supporting operations against you.
Why don't the BD migrants flock to China instead of Assam and W.B. I am sure China will open their doors wide open.

Bengalis aren't hateful people, the reason why many would not badmouth India is because of the renowned Ulema there.
 
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Business...
Yes it is our business.
We have every right to keep an eye on whats happening in our neighborhood and expand our regional influence. If not anything, India-BD share the fifth largest border in the world which also happens to be an open border.


Outside PDF i dont find many BDians talking your language. :)

No one in Bangladesh has issues to engage with Indian Govt. politically.

And there are no issues personally with Indian people, culturally there are no issues either.

We have to make that distinction.

But New Delhi should not be dictating what an independent sovereign nation does on a national level. That is what is happening at this time. If you want to further alienate all Bangladeshis, keep playing the 'Dadagiri' game. It is working as intended.

Bangladesh is not Nepal, it is not even Sri Lanka. Rules are a little different.

How many Indians in the blogosphere do you see praising things in Bangladesh? Almost none. Bangladeshis see this narrow mindedness and they make their own conclusions. Bangladeshis become anti-Indian-Govt. by dint of the latter's actions but they are certainly not Anti-Indian per se. I know loads of people whose wives are Indian - both Muslims and Hindus. Our problems are with your govt.

After the 1965 episode with China, India would rather not try anything 'funny' with the Chinese either. I was told that in 1965 war the Chinese commented that they had never seen anyone retreat (run away) from the battlefield so fast. They left all their dirty .303 rifles behind.

Leave it to the Chinese to meticulously clean them to brand new shape and return them to the Indians when the hostilities ended.

Where was your true friend China in '71? It was busy supporting operations against you.
Why don't the BD migrants flock to China instead of Assam and W.B. I am sure China will open their doors wide open.

Indians helped because it was,

a) a humanitarian issue

b) it served the Indira Gandhi's plans

probably more of the latter.

If something happened in India, we'd open our doors wide too. Works both ways.
 
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I'm sure you know better that anything on the Bangladesh forum boils down to 1971, so I won't get into the dynamics of that, it just means derailing the thread. A look at the map and some common sense will show you why migrants flock to WB or Assam.



Bengalis aren't hateful people, the reason why many would not badmouth India is because of the renowned Ulema there.

But why migrate to "Dushman" India?

No one in Bangladesh has issues to engage with Indian Govt. politically.

And there are no issues personally with Indian people, culturally there are no issues either.

We have to make that distinction.

But New Delhi should not be dictating what an independent sovereign nation does on a national level. That is what is happening at this time. If you want to further alienate all Bangladeshis, keep playing the 'Dadagiri' game. It is working as intended.

Bangladesh is not Nepal, it is not even Sri Lanka. Rules are a little different.

How many Indians in the blogosphere do you see praising things in Bangladesh? Almost none. Bangladeshis see this narrow mindedness and they make their own conclusions. Bangladeshis become anti-Indian-Govt. by dint of the latter's actions but they are certainly not Anti-Indian per se. I know loads of people whose wives are Indian - both Muslims and Hindus. Our problems are with your govt.

After the 1965 episode with China, India would rather not try anything 'funny' with the Chinese either. I was told that in 1965 war the Chinese commented that they had never seen anyone retreat (run away) from the battlefield so fast. They left all their dirty .303 rifles behind.

Leave it to the Chinese to meticulously clean them to brand new shape and return them to the Indians when the hostilities ended.



Indians helped because it was,

a) a humanitarian issue

b) it served the Indira Gandhi's plans

probably more of the latter.

If something happened in India, we'd open our doors wide too. Works both ways.

If you dont know what was '65 war and what was '62 war then I doubt rest of your post would make any sense or logic.
 
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But why migrate to "Dushman" India?

When referring to India I'm sure most of the Banglasesh posters mean it as a political entity, no one hates Indians. I'm sure the Paks don't too. It's foreign policy that ticks people.

And easy, livelihood takes priority over nationalism.
 
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