I can't believe I'm wasting my time with this, I'm seriously pissed off at your previous post.
Yeah whatever. My point would only be proven wrong till this forum would be able to remove its impression of a perfect platform to bash Pakistan. At present defence.pk is a perfect place for bharatis to attack Pakistan. No debate, no discussion but bashing and abusing Pakistan. Don't believe me? Ask your Indian "friends".
Moderation is not perfect, but like I said that's not because we favour trolls or give them any privileges, they get banned in their hundreds.
Moderation isn't being enforced throughout or in time? Sure, I can take that as valid criticism. But what you're saying is a load of bull, and frankly very ignorant, given you've never actually seen how things run.
Yeah you are the only genius who is ignoring all the sh!t being spread by people belonging to one particular community.
Anyone who is drawing conclusions as to how this forum is run, without seeing is laughable.
It's like a blind man trying to describe a painting he's never seen.
You included, I find it very weird, if it was possible to show you how things work, I bet you it would change your mind.
Sure, all I can here is your overconfidence and hurt ego for the last so many pages.
Even if I am not here Indians would still use this as a platform to hurl abuses on Pakistan and that would be under your patronage. I am a nobody in this whole situation.
Indians hurl abuse, as do Pakistanis, both at each others throats, and you play a key role.
Iranians and Arabs at each others throats, you name it. We don't give preferential treatment, if you break the rules, we warn you, if you continue to break the rules, we ban, and if you don't learn, after a while we might permanently ban laying waste to whatever profile you've built up over the years.
If you come back with another account, we will detect you and I have often on the forum names and shamed mutliple ID suicide trolls, a simple google search will show you some.
Wrong!!!
PDF has employed this policy for a very very long time, it was built much before I showed up, much before I joined the management team. Where I've had disagreements and suggestions I've given them, freely, never have I felt compelled to do anything I disagree with.
This includes the general forum strategy, you wont find bigger patriots than some of these guys in the team, especially admins who you're accusing of being traitors, they spend immense amounts of time in managing this forum, updating layout, forum maintenance, added features, extra threads and interviews and informative articles.
Your notion that traffic came first defies all logic, PDF gets traffic because it provides a good environment for all people to discuss, it's why so many international members made it their home. it's why people who have served so readily showed up here and committed hours of time to have discussions and continue to write informative pieces.
There should be any tolerance on abusing people's religion, country, founding fathers, beliefs and culture which happens here all the time by Indians. And don't blame all that on me since it happens even when I am not posting here or when I am not present. Ask anyone? Ask any Pakistani or BD member that whether their religion is being attacked again and again or not. Whether the massacre of Muslims in Burma or Gaza hasn't been cheered or not. Again exclude me and ask these questions to anyone.
It should not happen full stop, I agree. It's despicable and where ever we see it, we get rid of it. But it's far easer said than done to manage a forum this size. Some times some violations are not acted upon in time, not because we tolerate them, but because of the load on the team, we are not robots, we have lives like everyone and we can't deal with every incident. And we deal with one incident, we often have to trek through a thread worth of many pages of posts, and we have to be careful so not to ban anyone who doesn't deserve it, we have to read everyone's posts, who they're replying to, what came before, general purpose of the thread and replies, and then we warn, delete and war and delete.
Some threads I've cleaned in the past where I had to delete some 100+ posts, ban 4-5 members all from 1 report.
Also, I am not blaming you for the hostility on the forum, I am calling you out for saying it should not be tolerated, yet you have been doing this for a long time. Though, leave it, I do not need to go into that and talk about your private matters on the forum, it's against mods conduct. Another brilliant strategy and bit conduct we've come to use.
And ask anyone from these nationalities who is the biggest mess on this forum. Ask BD members, ask Chinese members, even ask Iranian members. It is your dear Indians who under your support are the biggest mess right now.
There's no denying that. This is a Pakistani forum and some Indians on the internet can't live without showing us their butthurt and burn. Also ask any mod who the vast majority of those banned are. And so, ask yourself, if the most trolls are Indian and the most banned are also Indian, are Indians really being given some sort of special treatment, hell no.
Deal with what? Deletion of the post or suspension for a few days? What changes that? Where are the required changes on this forum which ensure that people are not insulted by a particular community. That a particular community feels that it is free to attack Pakistanis in whatever way they want to.
We can deal with it, we have been doing this for a very long time, and I think I have seen it all. We don't just suspend, for a few days, we ban for months, if members don't change we can ban indefinitely. And we have done that. And suicide trolls we ban from the get go and remove all their useless posts. Multiple IDs we flush out just as easily.
What more do you want? Any suggestions, I'd love to hear em.
Indians are the most banned since they are the biggest mess on this forum.
Yeah... so....
How can you deduce special treatment from that? Your narrative makes no logical sense, at all.
However that doesn't change the fact that these bans are not improving the forum quality or stopping Indians to bash Pakistan.
The reason you don't think it makes a difference is because you have not seen the inverse.
Every ban we make helps control the tide of trolls, every little ban and deletion.
Today we have TTP supporting Bharatis who spread TTP propaganda on this forum and no action is being taken against them. The bans don't hide the fact that you guys don't want to take the necessary with zero tolerance towards the sh!t that Indians spread on this forum.
Again, hot air, you are making wild assumptions here without knowing exactly what's going on.
Very irresponsible of you.
Bans here and there are surely not working. This is a fact.
They are not working to stop more trolls from coming in, this is true, and they aren't preventing older members from behaving themselves, one bad apple, one new guy with no restraint can often derail a thread and many members all on his own with a post or two.
The current system is not perfect, and we are always improving it, its never static, just ask any mod how many new rules, features, conventions and methods he's had to learn from the start of his mod duties till now.
Good for me dear. Since if some bharati is going to call my country an epicenter of terrorism in front of me then I won't just delete his post. I would ban him permanently along with anyone who shares his views. Something you won't do. Something which you give a pass on the name of tolerance.
That's the way it works here, if you break the rules, and you don't have outstanding warnings on you, it's difficult to ban a member. And you're right, the post you showed me yesterday, I did not pema ban him, I gave him a full warning though, if a mod comes across another post of his, they will see my older warning and can then hand out a months ban. or longer if need be.
I too want to perma ban, but it would be foolish, if I banned everyone who grossly broke the rules, half the members on PDF would be perma banned by now, and you would perma banned till beyond the day of Judgement. But no, I don't do it, out of choice and out of an agreed upon convention, when before I first joined the team, I thought mods were sometimes absent in their duty, and not acting fast enough, or not perma banning as I requested. After I joined I can see why that is the case and I totally agree with it.
Whats wrong with the PP. It is simply modi who is wearing a stupid hat. And about the signature. Well if my country is being called a terrorist country on this forum and people's signature then I just did the same in response. You seem to be in a bigger pain than Indians on my signature.
Actually 2-3 different members had all asked me about your signature which insulted their sitting PM and the pp, and I asked you nicely to change it. And you did not, until now. We had a rule a while ago that needlessly insulting a head of state of Pakistan is not allowed, so it's not fair for anyone to be constantly inciting other members with their sig or pp. When Indian members put stuff like that I ask them to remove it, and if they don't we take other measures.
No issues. I have seen things even worst on this forum.
To incite first and then get responses is not an issue for you because you're used to it. But it ruins it for everyone else, don't you think when I get reports of an Indian member insulting religion or country it hurts me, angers me? Of course, only what angers me more is when I see that this fool was provoked by one of our own resident fools with our flag. And then for them to criticise us of appeasing Indian trolls.
When I say "you" I call out the whole admin of this forum as a traitor and a sell out.
Again it's difficult for me to respond to something like this without insulting and abusing, so I'll leave it. But if you want you can close your eyes and imagine me responding as a member and not a mod, not force to hold my tongue.
And I curse this forum's existence on internet since it is allowing Indians a place which calls itself Pakistani to hurl all kinds of insults on their old enemy.
Okay, you are here voluntarily right? We are not keeping you here as captive, you are free to come and go at your bidding. If this is such a vile place. And if you are such a patriot who's only wish is to uphold some sort of pride an honour of country, please go have your battles on the LoC, internet is not the right place for soldiers like yourself.
You are welcome dear. My opinion hasn't change a bit. And won't change unless I witness drastic changes required on this forum.
Ignorance is a cancer.
Nope buddy. The sh!t on this forum has gone beyond the limits of a lot of members. It is not only me but many others. Traitor or not. The fact is this forum has become a place to hurl all kinds of abuses on Pakistan and its people.
It's unfortunate that the moderation is not as efficient as we mean it to be, but that does nto warrant you to say half of what you said.
Either that should change or we should officially start calling this forum as Bharat Rakshak part 2.
Call it what you like. And leave at your own will, no-one is compelling you to stay. If not, then try and follow rules, if you see us doing an inadequate job, tell us your suggestions if they're worth it. Better yet the best thing ANY member can do to keep the peace on this forum, is to a i) Not troll in the first place. ii) Don't respond to trolls, ignore and report. iii) Keep your post quality high and don't engage in chest thumping contests with others.
If even half of the members with a history could do that, PDF would be much cleaner. The ME section is a fine example. It is a mess because the members there think of each other less than humans and feel no remorse in ruinign for others too.
Personally based on internet as my source I have witnessed two sets of pictures of these cowards who attacked children in Peshawar. One is where they are shown killed and one is TTP's own version where they are alive. These two sets hardly resemble each other.
By going through the one showing them as killed, one would have no doubt that except for one or two all others were foreigners, and by going through the TTP's provided pictures one can have no doubt that all them were Pakistanis.
That is my personal observation. For the rest of the topic Pakistani or no Pakistani, I fail to understand like most of the Pakistanis that how these goons can plan their attacks so effectively without a margin of error? How they manage their logistics and funding? The GHQ attack, Sri Lankan cricket team attack, Mehran base attack, attacks on ISI establishments and the one where they killed mountaineers way up north. All these attacks are impossible to be planned by TTP itself. This matter is not that simple to conclude by just saying that attackers were Pakistanis or they were foreigners.
There is no doubt that involvement of other powers is there. In fact, when Indian involvement in incidents occurs, it's blatant. And very, very easy to spot. But I do not think they had anything to do with the attack on the school, I can't be sure, but suspicion alone is no good measure.
Also, do not think that enemies our boys are fighting are weak or rag tag, they are well trained, well armed, battle hardened and very inspired and their moral runs highest when they commit these sort of acts. The evil contained within them is unmatched. In ground ops, they put up stiff resistance, they have very sophisticated methods of communications and solid command, they have prepared their presence with bunkers, caves, tunnels and ammo dumps, high position and posts. They were helped immensely by our politicians in buying them many months worth of time to group, gain strength for attacks.
