Persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan contradicts the teachings of Islam

[Pakistani E]

@Jaanbaz You are right, I am going to delete some of my posts, don't want some stupid mullah getting some ideas.

 

[Musafir117]

@Jaanbaz You are right, I am going to delete some of my posts, don't want some stupid mullah getting some ideas.

Well we need a general like Mushraff a mulla killer or may be more strict than him with few years this mulla tolla vanished coz basically they are cowards. Zia ki baqiat khatm karne ke liye zarori hai Ek fauji dandda.

 

[Well.wisher]

@haviZsultan .. I'm not an indian .

 

[I S I]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gujranwala_attacks

Well we need a general like Mushraff a mulla killer or may be more strict than him with few years this mulla tolla vanished coz basically they are cowards. Zia ki baqiat khatm karne ke liye zarori hai Ek fauji dandda.

Fauj khud mazhabi hai. Bajwa ki command main to aur mazhabi hogi.

 

[haviZsultan]

@haviZsultan .. I'm not an indian .

I have taken the rating back. I can't blame you for what twisted, anti Ahmedi doctrine you have been taught. Entire society is a victim of the narrow minded preaching. If someone said our prophet died in a toilet covered in shit (Astaghfirullah) like you have said for Ghulam Ahmed or Ahmedis we all know what the response would get. Treat others like you would like to be treated yourself.

 

[Hrk19]

no,they are non muslims and the kind that were muslims to begin with,so they are also apostates
thing is,if you area good muslim and consider yourself as a practising muslim,then you will also condemn these ahmedis for their heretical faith
if not,you are low on emaan
remember this hadith
“Whoso- ever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.”

[Muslim]

 

[Well.wisher]

@Pakistani Exile .. see I didn't intend to hurt anyone's feeling . I apologise if you feel like this but actually I'm an ashiq e rasool saww and sometimes it just frustrates me to accept another on his place or promoting this concept .
Overall, I do believe in secularism a bit .
I respect your rights in and your entity in this country .
I'll never harm you or let any other harm you .

Peace .

I have taken the rating back. I can't blame you for what twisted, anti Ahmedi doctrine you have been taught. Entire society is a victim of the narrow minded preaching. If someone said our prophet died in a toilet covered in shit like you have said for Ghulam Ahmed or Ahmedis we all know what the response would get. Treat others like you would like to be treated yourself.

Okay .. I accept I was harsh I take my words back about toilet .

Anyway , no need to take this forum seriously and let it affect you . Kudos .

 

[Hrk19]

@Pakistani Exile .. see I didn't intend to hurt anyone's feeling . I apologise if you feel like this but actually I'm an ashiq e rasool saww and sometimes it just frustrates me to accept another on his place or promoting this concept .
Overall, I do believe in secularism a bit .
I respect your rights in and your entity in this country .
I'll never harm you or let any other harm you .

Peace .



Okay .. I accept I was harsh I take my words back .

dont apologise,that person does not have relevant education regarding islam
if someone is trying to promote kufr then we should be blunt and straightforward in telling them to stop and that what they are doing is wrong

 

[Well.wisher]

dont apologise,that person does not have relevant education regarding islam
if someone is trying to promote kufr then we should be blunt and straightforward in telling them to stop and that what they are doing is wrong

I apologised for being harsh .
And I don't think I'm the one to judge them .
May Allah subhanu guide them , thats all .

 

[Musafir117]

Fauj khud mazhabi hai. Bajwa ki command main to aur mazhabi hogi.

Yes but we need a mulla killer type fauji can't hope on politicians, for this mulla exterism we lost thousands lives they bloody blood suckers bugs.

They are being treated very well, I want ahmadis to be executed, not persecuted. In Pakistan minorities are Christian, Hindu, Sikh etc. not ahmadis. they are a cult. Govt mentioning them as non-muslim is a favor on them.

@waz @WebMaster trace out this bug IP and report please or pass me out I have few connections we need to control this even on this Fourm.

 

[CBU-105]

They are being treated very well, I want ahmadis to be executed, not persecuted. In Pakistan minorities are Christian, Hindu, Sikh etc. not ahmadis. they are a cult. Govt mentioning them as non-muslim is a favor on them.

lel

 

[haviZsultan]

dont apologise,that person does not have relevant education regarding islam
if someone is trying to promote kufr then we should be blunt and straightforward in telling them to stop and that what they are doing is wrong

How do you define Kufr. This is what our education does to people. Just because I defend Ahmedis I am doing kufr? According to the Taliban Kufr is not having a beard or your women going out without shuttlecock. To JI kufr is defending Ahmedis. According to LeJ Shias are kaffir and promoters of kufr for denouncing some Rashidun caliphs even though this is not believed by all shias. So in light of all this I am proud to be labelled by a mullah like you that I am promoting Kufr.

The truth is even vouching for the secular system is automatically kufr for some people. Quran says To you be your faith, to me be mine. It covers my moral standing completely. I do not judge others, neither ahmedi nor anyone else. This makes me a better Pakistani because I want an inclusive Pakistan, not a wahabi super Islamic state based on broken principles.

In the past I involuntarily converted an Ahmedi and his family. In reality I had no such intention but I can tell how it happened. I treated this Ahmedi with so much respect, so much love that without my wanting to he converted. The said person though now dead protected me from Indian designs for an entire year (he was in security and I got in trouble with Indians trying to frame not just me but a lot of innocent Pakistanis.). You get what you sow. Most Pakistanis in the world today only sow hatred. No one can take anyones right to worship whomever and whatever he or she pleases.

 

[Well.wisher]

such threads should not be opened again.

Because be it liberals or religious , they both fail to explain themselves completely on this issue and gets bashing from all .

I've never been an extremist toward ahmadis but yet I get bashed for being an extremist for having a controversial talk with them . Liberal are not anti Islamic but yet they get bashed for being an anti Islamic .

As it's said in quran : la kum deenu kum waliya deen .

لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ
You've your religion , idolatry and I have my religion , islam . Let's follow it .

 

[terry5]

Enemies wish for my death and prophecise about it. God has, however, given me the good news that I shall live for eighty (80) years or more."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 239; Mawahib-ur-Rahman, P. 21)

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani died when he was sixty eight (68) years old

I will die either in Mekkah or Medina."
(Tadhkira, P. 591)

Mirza Ghulam did not ever see Mekkah or Medina.


Who doth more wrong than those who invent a lie against Allah? They will be turned back to the presence of their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord! Behold! the Curse of Allah is on those who do wrong!
Those who would hinder (men) from the path of Allah and would seek in it something crooked: these were they who denied the Hereafter!
(The Holy Quran, Hud, 11:18-19)

 

[Mutakalim]

What an absolute load of rubbish. The OP is a mixture of playing the victim card, misrepresenting Islam, and misrepresenting actual facts.

Pakistan is made in the name of Islam, and all over the world Muslims have given the same verdict: Qadiyanis are non-Muslims. This is proven by action taken against them in Indonesia, Malaysia and many other Muslim countries. Just the number of Muslim scholars all over the world who agree that Qadiyanis are non-Muslims makes it clear that this conclusion is true in the light of Quran and Sunnah.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani was a fibber who made false claimed of Prophethood. He was backed by the then ruling British government. Here is an interesting take on the situation: neither the Christians, nor the Jews, nor the Hindus, or atheists, or anyone else in the world believe the Mr. Qadiyani was a prophet/messenger or in any way shape or form 'appointed by God'. But they insist on shoving this disgusting propaganda down the throats of Muslims.

It is clear that in this case, actually the Muslims are victims of an extremely sickening propaganda that aims to denigrate, demean, and ridicule our religion on a most fundamental level. Anyone who supports Qadiyanis is supporting blasphemy against Muslims.

As far as loss of life and property is concerned, a police case should be lodged against the perpetrators. But the OP is insidious in nature, because hiding behind the garb of victimization, it is trying to further the false cause of inspiring sympathy for the Qadiyani cause. There can simply be no sympathy for this cause. Giving justice in the case of loss of life and property is different from being sympathetic to their poisonous cause.

Finally, it seems the perpetrator came especially from Canada. Who is to say this guy isn't a Qadiyani who perpetrated this crime to buy sympathy for their disgusting cause?



Sir, this isn't even sectarianism. This is about defining the line between Islam and Kufr.

Iqbal Baat Na kar Yahan ilm e Khudi ki
Mozon Nahin Maktab k liye Aaise Maqalaat
Mahkoom k haq mai yahi tarbiat Achi
Mosiki o Soorat Gari o ilm e nabatat