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2002-2013 was one of the toughest decades our country had to go through.
All lot of blunders came back to hunt us. US Spec Ops along with Intelligence assets were brought into the country so they could work their way into NWA & hunt down AQ sleeper cells. Instead these elements started running their own show in the country under disguise, an opportunity they could not let go off. Many of them were uncovered when General Shuja Pasha took charge & western intelligence were shown the door. That really pissed them off

In Peshawar, Blackwater officials in those bigass black SUVs with tinted glass was the norm back in the days. Surreal when i think about it now. Musharraf and then Zardari really sold off Pakistan for peanuts. Whatever was left of it was devoured by Nawaz Not-So-Sharif and his cronies.
 
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I'm not sure why Pakistan allowed the French spy to leave. If they are spying on Pak's nuclear weapons...then in the same manner Pak should arrest that spy and try him/her in court...
..."business as usual"

IMO Pak should have drawn the line where the nuclear program is concerned...and straight up executed the spy after making it public as to what France was up to...
...but if for some reason that line wasn't drawn...and some backdoor deal was made to allow the spy to leave unharmed...then what exactly Pak gain from it? I don't remember France doing Pak any favors in any way from this time(2007-2010) till now. Pak could've used their support on various issues in UN...or some defense equipment...anything of significant value basically. Instead all France has been doing of late is pleasing India(ever since the Rafale stuff). I hope whatever it was...was significant enough to let France get a pass on this major transgression.

I hope it was a kill switch in the rafales, or giving source codes

In Peshawar, Blackwater officials in those bigass black SUVs with tinted glass was the norm back in the days. Surreal when i think about it now. Musharraf and then Zardari really sold off Pakistan for peanuts. Whatever was left of it was devoured by Nawaz Not-So-Sharif and his cronies.

Karachi has bigass black tinted glass SUVs everywhere to this day. I've seen them accompanied by people with fake 'Balochistan police' and 'Anti terrorism Force (aSf) logos.
 
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Probably warning its own people with the the 'seducing' part and to try and strain French-Pakistani ties.

I'm sure many have heard of how we got Brahmos documents by seducing Indian military officials on facebook. Expect such cases to skyrocket in quarintine ;)

Well, it says the fiasco occurred way back in 07 and even then it never affected the bilateral relationship back then so I don't think that could be a motive. On a separate note, its astonishing so much shit is going on in the background and never makes it way to the mainstream media or even the 'underground' scene. So much is kept secret for so long, speaks volumes about the professionalism of these agencies. I am sure Mr Mas would have gotten the green signal from somewhere, hence the spilled beans otherwise we'd have never known. Who knows what's going on now right at this very moment lol. We might never come to know about it, ever.

I hope it was a kill switch in the rafales, or giving source codes



Karachi has bigass black tinted glass SUVs everywhere to this day. I've seen them accompanied by people with fake 'Balochistan police' and 'Anti terrorism Force (aSf) logos.

The ones I was talking about had goras in it with those Tom Cruise specs lol. They were so in-your-face, the local people were really intimidated. Blackwater never gave a shit. Look what that bastard Raymond Davis did. This cat and mouse is perpetually going on, its unbelievable at times. Must be exhausting as well.
 
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Paris tracked French fighters in Pakistan but failed to dig deep in nuclear secrets
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The headquarters of the General Directorate for External Security (DGSE), France’s external intelligence agency, in Paris. File | Photo Credit: AFP
Kallol BhattacherjeeNEW DELHI 14 JULY 2020 16:54 IST
UPDATED: 14 JULY 2020 18:16 IST

Islamabad's security establishment has several such uncompromising subjects like the nuclear programme and the China-Pakistan joint projects.

Pakistan assisted France to track French fighters who supported al-Qaeda in the tribal northwest of the country, but the French government was left embarrassed when the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) uncovered a parallel espionage network that was aiming for Pakistan's nuclear secrets.

According to a former official of France’s external intelligence wing DGSE, Islamabad's security establishment has several such uncompromising subjects like the nuclear programme and the China-Pakistan joint projects.

France was alarmed by the presence of French citizens in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and at one point during the “war on terror”, there were around 120 French fighters inside Pakistan. Pakistan counter-terror teams assisted France track them as Paris was concerned about their eventual return home.

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“This is a problem that is unending. Some of them have returned but they may decide to revert to the old fighting methods, 10 or 20 years later”, says the former DGSE official, Olivier Mas, recollecting his experience of working with Pakistan counter-terror teams, which hit a roadblock when the ISI uncovered a French agent who was part of nuclear espionage inside Pakistan. Mr. Mas hinted that Pakistan resorted to violent intimidation to deal with the matter. The official was declared persona non grata and France quietly withdrew the officer avoiding a diplomatic scandal. The embarrassing incident, however, did not shake Pakistan-France ties. Mr. Mas did not specify the exact date of the incident but indicated that it took place sometime at the 2007-'10 phase of the “war on terror”.

During his interactions in Pakistan, he noticed that the ISI often used unconventional methods for gathering human intelligence. He counted at least three instances of Pakistan intelligence wings using seduction as a tool of espionage. Mr. Mas claims that in one case, a British diplomat was filmed at a private moment in the company of a Pakistani national and the film landed in the UK High Commission in Islamabad. It was discovered that the camera used for capturing the diplomat with the local person was highly sophisticated. This prompted London to withdraw its agent. He also considers the Madhuri Gupta case of 2010 as one such instance in which Pakistan seemingly broke the conventional norms of espionage while targeting the Indian official who worked at the High Commission of India in Islamabad.

Old tactic
“This is an old tactic going back to the Cold War days and the KGB. Seduction as a tool of unconventional spying is not usually resorted to by modern spy agencies as it is difficult to control human emotions and the results often are not on expected lines”, says Mr. Mas who maintains that professional espionage is a tough job unlike the glamorous cinematic images created for entertainment. Mr Mas drew attention in France for his YouTube channel “Talks with a Spy”, where he has been running a series for more than a year that deals with high-risk rescue operations from the Islamic fighters, intelligence gathering in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and the various methods adopted by intelligence operatives.

Mr. Mas who also uses the screen name of Beryl614 for his online interactions, says France and other western countries are aware of Pakistan's activities to track political dissidents like the Baloch activists, many of whom live in exile in Europe.

The Baloch activists in the West have often complained of being under attack from local Pakistan operatives but Mr. Mas believes that there is no clinching evidence of Pakistan carrying out violent attacks against Baloch sympathisers abroad who are also actively opposing Chinese investment in Balochistan. Mr. Mas says there is almost little or no public interaction between the Pakistani people and their Chinese guests who are among the top investment providers to the Pakistan government.

“While spending some time in Pakistan, I was told repeatedly by Pakistani colleagues about their close cooperation with the Chinese but I never found evidence of people to people contact between the two sides. I travelled to different parts of Pakistan and was surprised by the low visibility of the Chinese inside Pakistan though they are part of some of the most important projects there”, says Mr. Mas who served in the French army for 28 years out of which he dedicated 15 years as an intelligence official ultimately handling the China desk of DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure).

He maintains that Kashmir as such is of no interest to France. However, the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor that runs through Gilgit Baltistan and ends in the Balochistan coastline is of interest, as it signifies China’s global ambition which is a challenge before Europe.

“China has repeatedly shown that it is willing to use economic tools and the maritime domain as instruments in increasing pressure on rivals and it has a history of picking the weaker states of Europe”, says Mr. Mas predicting Europe is likely to face more challenges from China in future. For example, in Greece, China has emerged as a major investment partner in recent years after the country witnessed serious economic crisis during 2009-2017.

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What a sanctimonious pompous A.s
 
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Ask Musharraf why he bowed to whitey

This is what you get for bowing to whitey and America. White people should be thrown out of the country and never let back in. Learn something from Iran.
 
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Ask Musharraf why he bowed to whitey

This is what you get for bowing to whitey and America. White people should be thrown out of the country and never let back in. Learn something from Iran.

And get santioned to oblivion
 
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That's what healthy competition brings - lower cost that leads to higher quality of life at an affordable price.
West and usa wasnt offering pakistan anything. Not even simple small dam projects or investments in energy, ecommerce or food sectors.
Zero investments. Zero engagement. Pakistan conuously asking, requesting better ties, more investment but nothing materialise. Even russia 2 billion dollar pipeline despite fullfilling all of russian needs is yet to see the light of the day.
Its inky tge chinese who really invest.
It depends on the negotiator, the previous government cut bad deals pilling up our circular debt or opting for bad power projects so its not china that is responsible.
Neogtiate better and its all fine.
The chinese have even given into pakistan insistence of investing into jehlum cascade and even bhasha was started.
So at the end. Its always china
 
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And get santioned to oblivion

As if whitey didn't already sanction us when we tried to develop our nuclear weapons or by using all kinds of dirty tactics like FATF etc. Not to mention how their think tanks and media has tried to present us a failed state all over the world.

Whitey only likes when you bow to him and toe his line which our generals have done with ease. Gori chamri ko tou jootay maar ke bahir nikalo mulk se.
 
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“While spending some time in Pakistan, I was told repeatedly by Pakistani colleagues about their close cooperation with the Chinese but I never found evidence of people to people contact between the two sides. I travelled to different parts of Pakistan and was surprised by the low visibility of the Chinese inside Pakistan though they are part of some of the most important projects there”, says Mr. Mas who served in the French army for 28 years out of which he dedicated 15 years as an intelligence official ultimately handling the China desk of DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure).

Site A never reveals the "Site B".
 
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2002-2013 was one of the toughest decades our country had to go through.
All lot of blunders came back to hunt us. US Spec Ops along with Intelligence assets were brought into the country so they could work their way into NWA & hunt down AQ sleeper cells. Instead these elements started running their own show in the country under disguise, an opportunity they could not let go off. Many of them were uncovered when General Shuja Pasha took charge & western intelligence were shown the door. That really pissed them off

"Whenever I come across Gen. Pasha, I will ask him directly: why did you betray your country"
-currently serving DDG in a very sensitive wing

Pasha may have run some clever networks and also exposed some American ones but, in the end, he was essentially a sellout himself. This man sprang Raymond Davis out of court personally (not the job of a DG I, for God's sake) and screwed the country's entire defense reputation by playing the incompetence card when the OBL incident happened. Then, post retirement, it has been one dubious activity after another. The latest is that he is on the board of one of the most vile and corrupt politico-business families in the country: the PPP's Senators Gulzar/Waqar Ahmed Khan (not only are they embroiled in NAB cases but have also had their London property on Billionaire's Row seized through an order in the London High Court by UBS, one of the world's largest investment banks.) Privately, both these brothers have known to openly entertain and offer their services to American diplomats posted at the Lahore Consulate --- something I personally know to be true. So, if this great DG I is frolicking with whom I would essentially call enemies of the state / economic terrorists, then the organization he headed and the secrets he is privy too cannot be considered very secure.

Peace.

@Areesh
 
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Many of these foreign fighters were recruited and groomed by western agencies themselves, to use as an excuse to gain access to carry our espionage. This has been known to be true for decades.

Haha... We cought many Al-Qaida guys, and then we saw many of them were directly working for CIA.
Specially when we start catching fighters with tattoos on their bodies, that was it.

Yep i remember the skull and horns tattoos - i also remember a certain wing of Pakistani's jumping through hoops to make up explanations for them.
 
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Many of these foreign fighters were recruited and groomed by western agencies themselves, to use as an excuse to gain access to carry our espionage. This has been known to be true for decades.



Yep i remember the skull and horns tattoos - i also remember a certain wing of Pakistani's jumping through hoops to make up explanations for them.
And then happened Salala....
 
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Ha naughty French got caught " AGAIN" :lol:
Like Indians French also never learn. I mean you can't fight then why try to act tough to those who play this game day in day out. :coffee:
 
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