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Aaj ka din mere liey kafi gloomy tha..

abb samajh aarahi hai aahista aahista, ke monitoring judge kyun dheelay paray huey hain..

aur baqi judges aisay remarks kyun de rahay thay..

aur action kyun nahi liya gaya..

abb tezi kyun aarahi hai..

Ishaq Dar ke saath jo horaha hai.. same Sharif family ke saath kyun nahi hua..

Lanat bhejta hun aisay system pe...

Abb mujhay pakka yaqeen hai ke JUNAID SAFDAR hamara PM zaroor banay ga..

Till few days ago.... @Realistic Change was hopeful tht there wont be any NRO for the sharifs....theres no chance for tht...and that sharifs will face the music

Lekin ab lagta hai...ke sab instituitions..hi dheelay parr gaye..esp judiciary

Waisy judges agar iss plan ka hissa hain..including monitoring judge..then its the biggest injustice they are doing..with their oath..with the nation.. They should decide..only and only in accordance with the law..and perform the duties judiciously (esp monitoring judge..in current scenario) rather on some twisted "nazriyaa e zuroorat" .. Unn ke decisions ka politics par kiya asar paray ga.....ye sochna..judges ka bilkol kaam nahi hai.. Judges ko sirf imaandar se kaam se verdicts denay chahye ......Kon, kon se judges..iss plan ka hissa hosaktay hain?

Also, 29th Nov 2019 seems too too far way :(
 
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Pakistan ka comparison Madina se karna, ya kehna ke yeh Madina sani hai, yehi marwagaya hamain..

Hum apno pe hi bomb chala saktay hain fil haal..

Madar e Millat ko jo qaum RAW agent banaday, uss qoum ke liey achhay ki ummeed rakhna bhi jahalat hai..

Fuzool kharch qaum hai ye.

Khair Pakistan Allah ki ayat ha likhi hui. Isse koi nahi mita sakta.

Per ye madni daur se makki daur ka safar me insaan ka imaan kamzor par jata hai.

Isse pehle koi apki halki phulki bhi bajaye aap kisi aur ki baja do.

India pe maar do. Bolo ISIS Kerala se operate karti hai.

Choran baad me bech lenge abhi iss tolay ko hatane ka sunehri mauqa hai
 
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Waisy judges agar iss plan ka hissa hain..including monitoring judge..then its the biggest injustice they are doing..with their oath..with the nation..

Abb tak kia kia judges ne? Kia yeh kaam nahi tha ke Sharif family ko janay se roktay? NAB ne drama bazi karnay main poora maheena ganwadia.. aur koi neend se hi nahi jaga.. Abb dekhiey ga kaisi phurtian dikhaeingay sab mil kar.. aisa lagay ga ke agar sharif yahan hota tou phansi par charh chuka hota..

Kon, kon se judges..iss plan ka hissa hain?

I think most of them.. but not sure..

Also, 29th Nov 2019 seems too too far way :(

Dafa karain.. aik akela aadmi kia karsakta hai..

yahan tou poora awaay ka aawa hi bigra hua hai..
 
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Dafa karain.. aik akela aadmi kia karsakta hai..

yahan tou poora awaay ka aawa hi bigra hua hai..

Kiun dafaa karein? Yeh akela aadmi..jab sharifs ke publicity manager ban saktay hain tu yeh neechay walon ko manipulate bhi karsaktay hain.. Ye itnay becharay nahi hain..jitna aap inhein samajhtay hain... Pleaseee..... inn ke liye sympathy show na kia karein...
 
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Till few days ago.... @Realistic Change was hopeful tht there wont be any NRO for the sharifs....theres no chance for tht...and that sharifs will face the music

Lekin ab lagta hai...ke sab instituitions..hi dheelay parr gaye..esp judiciary

Waisy judges agar iss plan ka hissa hain..including monitoring judge..then its the biggest injustice they are doing..with their oath..with the nation.. They should decide..only and only in accordance with the law..and perform the duties judiciously (esp monitoring judge..in current scenario) rather on some twisted "nazriyaa e zuroorat" .. Unn ke decisions ka politics par kiya asar paray ga.....ye sochna..judges ka bilkol kaam nahi hai.. Judges ko sirf imaandar se kaam se verdicts denay chahye ......Kon, kon se judges..iss plan ka hissa hosaktay hain?

Also, 29th Nov 2019 seems too too far way :(

NRO was a distant possibility and “people” brokering it got a big jolt even day before yesterday.

Aftermath of it: Maindak (Kh Saad) ko bhi zukaam honey laga hai ;)
 
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Kiun dafaa karein? Yeh akela aadmi..jab sharifs ke publicity manager ban saktay hain tu yeh neechay walon ko manipulate bhi karsaktay hain.. Ye itnay becharay nahi hain..jitna aap inhein samajhtay hain... Pleaseee..... inn ke liye sympathy show na kia karein...

Oho.. main tou kisi ke liey sympathy show nahi kar raha.. actually main ghalti se 2019 wali date ko Justice Khosa ki CJ appointment wali date samjha.. iss liey kaha ke aik becharay Khosa kuchh nahi karsaktay..

Abhi samajh aaya ke 2019 wali date kisi aur mohtram Mr. Earthquake ki hai.. jo earth ka wire laga kar ghoomtay hain..
 
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I think most of them.. but not sure..

Most of these panama judges? Kher.. Justice Khosa ko tu main kabhi nahi maan sakti kenwoh kisi deal ka hissa banein ge.. Main nahi maan sakti.. Even Justice Gulzar bhi,,

Sharif family ko ECL pe daalna aur jaany se rokna..sab judges ka kaam nahi tha.. Sirf monitoring judge rok saktay thay..

Main abhi tak hairan hun. Kahin na kahin..shayad I still have some soft corner for J Ijaz ul Ahsan shayad..because i really really liked him...

Pata nahi..J Ijaz ul Ahsan ne aisa kiun kiya? He disappointed a lot.. Main Justice Ejaz Afzal aur sheikh Azmat se phir bhi shayad expect karsakti hun ke shayad woh kisi aisi deal ka hissa ban jayein..lekin woh tu monitoring judge bhi nahin thay..tu unka bhi part nahi hai,.. Inko ECL par daalnay main...

Justice Ijaz ul Ahsan..has been a huge huge disappointment.. Agar woh iss plan ka hissa hain..jo ke lagta hai ke hain..unhon ne bhtt bari na insafi ki
 
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NRO was a distant possibility and “people” brokering it got a big jolt even day before yesterday.

Aftermath of it: Maindak (Kh Saad) ko bhi zukaam honey laga hai ;)

What do you think.. will NS come back? ya looti daulat wapis aayegi?
 
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Pakistan ka comparison Madina se karna, ya kehna ke yeh Madina sani hai, yehi marwagaya hamain..

Hum apno pe hi bomb chala saktay hain fil haal..

Madar e Millat ko jo qaum RAW agent banaday, uss qoum ke liey achhay ki ummeed rakhna bhi jahalat hai..
Mader-e-millat ko jis ghatya shaks ne gujranwala m election m be izzat kia usi shaks ka beta aik na ehl shaks k toly m shamil h.

I believe on what Hazrat Ali (RA) said.
Kufar ka nizam chal sakta h zulm ka nahi.

I am sure we will see things happening in coming weeks and months for the benefit of our nation and not in favour of ALL this laanti tola.
 
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Most of these panama judges?

Most of the judges.. not just Panama bench..

Main Justice Ejaz Afzal aur sheikh Azmat se phir bhi shayad expect karsakti hun ke shayad woh kisi aisi deal ka hissa ban jayein..


Kyun Justice Ejaz Afzal so rahay thay jab Aijaz ul Ahsan chuttian mana rahay thay?

I am sure we will see things happening in coming weeks and months for the benefit of our nation and not in favour of ALL this laanti tola.

Not sure bro..
 
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NRO was a distant possibility and “people” brokering it got a big jolt even day before yesterday.

Aftermath of it: Maindak (Kh Saad) ko bhi zukaam honey laga hai ;)

Really? You are again making me ..hopeful..

But i will firmly believe..tht no NRO is happening..when i see some some activity from J Ijaz ul Ahsan... Jab woh actually kuch karein ge..NAB ko grill karein ge aur unn se theek kaam lein ge..then i will believe ke koi NRO nahi horaha..waqayi...
 
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Sharif family assets frozen by NAB.

Just like their last yatra of Saudi Arab.
The Sharifs must have anticipated the pros and cons of not going to NAB Court. They had ample time to do the needful at their leisure. Their estate was confiscated back then too.

Let's see what comes out after the current media hype like sky has fallen, yet it is nothing new.

I had a detailed discussion with some people in Pak today. Although I don't agree with them, but want to share what's going on in the minds of powerful institutions, including SC and establishment as per them (actually these are the two left so I shouldn't use the word "including").

The assessment is that

1 - Sharifs still enjoy a massive public support in Pakistan, specially in Punjab. The support, although received a big dent due to Panama case decision, is not enough to prevent them from winning the next general elections again. It is not just public support, but as @Realistic Change has mentioned many times, our bureaucracy is extremely corrupt and will do whatever to get clear majority in next GEs. Next year is the year of Senate elections as well and if Sharifs/ PMLN are able to get majority in Senate first, and then in National Assembly, there is no way to stop them except Martial Law.

2 - Any action against them, whether by judiciary or any other institution, will be so beneficial for them that it will only add to their vote bank. Unfortunately, Sharifs know how and when to play the victim's card very well. So if they were put on ECL and eventually arrested before leaving Pakistan, it would have returned to them that little public support that they lost during Panama hearing. We have criticized judges on some remarks that seems to be favoring Sharifs might be part of the plan.

3 - Any action against them could have brought a large number of people on the streets as well. These protests could be very deadly and eventually, a Martial Law would have been required to control the situation.

4 - There is a hope, (although little, but the only hope left) is to let them runaway unscathed, and push the perception of powerful mafia that controls judiciary as well, so that their victims card effect can be reversed somehow. No one hates Sharifs more than the 5 judges who were on Panama bench, and expecting them to give relief to Sharifs is just not right. But to build the perception that Sharifs control the judiciary will negate what they have been constantly throwing towards public... that judiciary was biased against them.

5 - There is one more hope, that the party will weaken over the period of time. Sharifs control over the party will also be weakened, and will eventually lead to divisions in the party as @Realistic Change has stated. So rather than execution, it is believed that party will die its natural death in the absence of Sharif family.

6 - All efforts will be made to prevent Sharifs from coming back again. These include the appropriate orders to be passed in absentia. One thing we must remember, although there is a risk of cases becoming dormant in the absence of accused, but if judges reach to the conclusion that Sharifs are purposely avoiding court proceedings without any legit reason, courts may pass appropriate orders of issuing non bailable warrants. This means that they will be arrested upon return.

7 - Some political parties heads are also aware of all this and hence letting all of it happen.


Sharifs want some action, but some members of the family don't want the same gloomy days to occur again in first couple of years of Musharraf. Maryam is one of them. One of the best strategies of Sharifs (specially Nawaz Sharif) would be to remain in Pakistan, face the trials and go to jail. Maryam didn't let this happen as it is very difficult for her to accept the fact that her father in his 70s face the same conditions, which he faced 17-18 years back.

However, due to continuous discussions on costs and benefits, Nawaz Sharif may decide to comeback and face the trial. It will be his decision and no one knows what he will decide in future.

But yes, in my opinion, the chances of Nawaz Sharif coming back soon are extremely distant. This case has died and I don't want to live in a fools paradise to believe that NS will face a jail term, or his London properties will be eventually sold to get the looted money back to Pakistan..

It's dead guys.. lets accept it and move on..

I understand that it's not your pov and a theory being promoted by people looking for excuses to let the tubbar alone "to return another day". Their support has deep roots with in the system.

They have loads and loads of money, 30 plus years of experience playing dirty power politics and corruption, they are always hungry for power. Let's get them off the hook for now and let them be in exile?

This is why no nation in the world believes what Pakistanis present as their narrative, it is most often two faced.

I just want to know what the judges have to say about not letting the case end up in a DARK ALLEY!

What in hell could be darker than this!

Wide spread Sympathy, wide spread support in Punjab? Take a leaf out of Guru Gurmeet Case and the balls shown by judges there or close the high courts and supreme court altogether and let the trial courts deal with petty crimes, leaving the elite to play their game of merry go round. Actually this is what is happening as of now, the role of higher judiciary is an eye wash as it is. This was a chance to change all that but the reluctance is beyond comprehension.

Let's start making even more mockery of Pakistan in the civilized world and start doling out justice on the basis of popularity.

Did you ask your contacts :
AGAR YEHI GAME KHELNI HAY TU THEY MUST BE REGRETTING K KIYON NIKALA NAWAZ SHARIF KO BHAI?
 
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But i will firmly believe..tht no NRO is happening..when i see some some activity from J Ijaz ul Ahsan... Jab woh actually kuch karein ge..NAB ko grill karein ge aur unn se theek kaam lein ge..then i will believe ke koi NRO nahi horaha..waqayi...

Kia farq parta hai agar Sharif family na aaye wapis?

I understand that it's not your pov and a theory being promoted by people looking for excuses to let the tubbar alone "to return another day". Their support has deep roots with in the system.

They have loads and loads of money, 30 plus years of experience playing dirty power politics and corruption, they are always hungry for power. Let's get them off the hook for now and let them be in exile?

This is why no nation in the world believes what Pakistanis present as their narrative, it is most often two faced.

I just want to know what the judges have to say about not letting the case end up in a DARK ALLEY!

What in hell could be darker than this!

Wide spread Sympathy, wide spread support in Punjab? Take a leaf out of Guru Gurmeet Case and the balls shown by judges there or close the high courts and supreme court altogether and let the trial courts deal with petty crimes, leaving the elite to play their game of merry go round. Actually this is what is happening as of now, the role of higher judiciary is an eye wash as it is. This was a chance to change all that but the reluctance is beyond comprehension.

Let's start making even more mockery of Pakistan in the civilized world and start doling out justice on the basis of popularity.

Did you ask your contacts :
AGAR YEHI GAME KHELNI HAY TU THEY MUST BE REGRETTING K KIYON NIKALA NAWAZ SHARIF KO BHAI?

Sab bakwaas hai yaar..

Just leave poor NS alone.. because he has too much public support..
 
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Oho.. main tou kisi ke liey sympathy show nahi kar raha.. actually main ghalti se 2019 wali date ko Justice Khosa ki CJ appointment wali date samjha.. iss liey kaha ke aik becharay Khosa kuchh nahi karsaktay..

Abhi samajh aaya ke 2019 wali date kisi aur mohtram Mr. Earthquake ki hai.. jo earth ka wire laga kar ghoomtay hain..

Oho nahi.. Justice Khosa tu Jan 2019 main CJ banein ge...for just 11 months.. Yahan main aap se agree karti hun.. Pehle main bhtt ziada wait karrahi thee unke CJ bannay ka..lekin ab nahi.. System is just too rotten... Aik akela aadmi waqayi kuch nahi karsakta... That too in just 11 months.. Yeh badmaashiya unhein kabhi kaamyab nahi honay dey gi..woh chahein bhi tu..hum ne LHC main dekha ke lawyers ne kia kya tha? Ya tu Justice Khosa ke pass ziada time hota..jaisy Iftikhar Ch tu pata nahi..kitnay saal CJ rahay.. Inn ke pass sirf 11 months honge.. Us main tu waisy hi kuch nahi hosakta.. Judicial reforms bhi nahi... Yeh tu chutki bajaatay hi guzar jayein ge..

Ji ab aap theek samjhay hian..main nov 2019 kis hawaaly se keh rahi thee.. Abhi pooray 2 and a half yrs hain... Uss main pata nahi woh sharifs ki kitni publicity kar chukay hon ge..kitnay NROs de chukay honge.. Allah hi hafiz hai..
 
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