Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Syed1.]

True - however I’ll wait for Dec 10th to see if it remains the same FSD.

Sir what happens on 10th December?

 

[Arsalan]

True - however I’ll wait for Dec 10th to see if it remains the same FSD.

It will bro, unfortunately!
It is about the prestige and ego of people here more than anything else.

 

[Realistic Change]

It will bro, unfortunately!
It is about the prestige and ego of people here more than anything else.

Well ....I think it will not be a walkover for PMLN, even in Fsd

Let’s see below how’s the trend in elections which we all know to what degree they were engineered, while on topic of rigging, we should have a detailed discussion how rigging actually takes place in various constituencies in a separate thread.

In 2013 - it won all of 11 NA seats.

In 2008 - it won 3, PPP won 5, PML 1, and Ind won 1 NA seat.

In 2002 - it won 3, PPP won 1, and PMLQ 6

In 1997 - it won all 9 NA seats

In 1993 - it won 4 and PPP won 5 NA seats.

 

[Realistic Change]

Sir what happens on 10th December?

As of right now - Intense talks going on to broker a deal to get it (Protest planned for Dec 10th, 2017) cancelled.

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Single point Grand Alliance forming at greater pace that even staunchest supporters of Nawaz (e.g., Fazl types) are trying to join

So it seems; Govt will collapse under it's own weight sooner than I thought so - and then we'll see aaniyien jaaniyien & jor tor.

- Zardari is in desperate need of CPR to PPP thru Qadri is hilarious though an expected one after the report.

- PPP's re-new-ed face will be re-relaunched

- Noon League to Noon Ghunnah transition at full throttle

 

[koolio]

5 PML-N lawmakers resign protesting inaction against Rana Sanaullah
Kashif HussainUpdated December 10, 2017

Five PML-N lawmakers announced their resignations from public office during a Khatm-i-Nabuwwat conference organised by Pir Sialvi in Faisalabad on Sunday.

MNAs Dr Nisar Ahmad Jutt and Ghulam Bibi Bharwana; Punjab MPAs Maulana Rehmatullah, Nizam-ud-Din Sialvi — Pir Hameeduddin Sialvi's son — and Khan Muhammad Baloch announced their resignations protesting government inaction against their demand for the resignation of Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah.

The lawmakers belong to Punjab's Jhang, Chiniot, Faisalabad and Sargodha districts.

The Punjab Law Minister had come under fire for his remarks regarding the status of Ahmadis in the country in a TV show, which he said, had been “distorted and twisted by some rivals to take political advantage”.

 

[Salik]

Exploding MLA's..

Round 2.. end of "N"


Theeee eNd

 

[Zibago]

SC turns down NAB’s request to adjourn Hudaibiya reopening case

ByWeb Desk
Posted on December 11, 2017

ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court on Monday rejected a request by the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) to adjourn its petition seeking reopening of Hudaibiya Paper Mills case against the Sharif family for indefinite period.

A bench of the apex court, headed by Justice Mushir Alam and comprising Justice Qazi Faez Isa and Justice Mazhar Alam Miankhel, is hearing the petition of the NAB challenging the Lahore High Court’s verdict, quashing Rs1.2 billion Hudaibiya corruption reference against former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and members of his family.

The NAB filed an application, requesting the court to adjourn today’s hearing until its prosecutor general is appointed.

While dismissing the application, Justice Mushir observed that the ground on which adjournment of the case is being sought is not legitimate one.

The prosecutor general post has been vacant since last month after the three-year tenure of Waqas Qadeer Dar ended.

At the previous hearing, the bench directed the NAB prosecutor to produce entire record of the case, details about the public offices the accused named in the reference held, and the original complaint filed against them with NAB.

The NAB through its Prosecutor General Waqas Qadeer Dar had filed the appeal, pleading the top court to grant leave to appeal to examine the legality, propriety and vires of the 2014 LHC verdict quashing the Hudaibiya Paper Mills case and set aside the impugned judgement.

Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif, Shamim Akhtar, mother of Nawaz, Shahbaz and late Abbas Sharif, Maryam Safdar, Hussain Nawaz, Hamza Shahbaz, Hudaibiya Paper Mills Ltd, the federal government and others have been named as respondents in the appeal.

According to the Hudaibiya reference, the Sharif family had been accused of setting up Hudaibiya Paper Mills Ltd to launder money.

A joint investigation team set up to investigate the Sharif family’s offshore properties had recommended in its report that the Hudaibiya Paper Mills case should be investigated afresh.

Subsequently, a Supreme Court bench hearing the Panama Papers case had asked the bureau to reopen the case.

The Musharraf government had launched an investigation against the Sharif family members back in 2000 for their alleged involvement in money-laundering.

Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, who is a close aide and relative of the Sharifs, had given a confessional statement before a magistrate, alleging that Sharif brothers used the Hudaibiya Paper Mills as cover for money laundering during late 1990s.

Dar later retracted his statement and claimed that the statement was gleaned under duress.

 

[Farah Sohail]

حدیبیہ پیپر ملز کیس پر ٹی وی پروگراموں میں تبصرے پر پابندی

سپریم کورٹ آف پاکستان نے سابق وزیرِ اعظم نواز شریف کے خلاف حدیبیہ پیپر ملز ریفرنس کو براہِ راست ٹیلی ویژن پروگراموں میں زیرِ بحث لانے پر پابندی عائد کردی ہے۔

جسٹس مشیر عالم، جسٹس قاضی فائز عیسیٰ اور جسٹس مظہر عالم خان میاں خیل پر مشتمل سپریم کورٹ کے تین رکنی بینچ نے پیر کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ کی جانب سے 2014ء میں حدیبیہ ریفرنس ختم کرنے کے فیصلے کے خلاف قومی احتساب بیورو (نیب) کی درخواست کی سماعت کی۔

دورانِ سماعت جسٹس قاضی فائز عیسیٰ نے کہا کہ ہمارا سوال ہے کہ یہ ریفرنس سرد خانے میں کیوں رکھا گیا؟ یہ کیس اٹک قلعہ میں کیوں چلایا گیا؟ کیا اٹک قلعے میں عدالت بھی ہے؟ کچھ تو وجوہات ہوں گی۔ جلاوطنی کی کوئی قانونی حیثیت ہے. مفرور کا تو سنا تھا یہ جلا وطنی کا حکم کیسا ہے؟ نواز شریف کی جلاوطنی کا حکم کس نے دیا؟

جسٹس قاضی فائز نے کہا کہ اگر نواز شریف خود باہر گئے تھے تو پھر تو ان کے خلاف مفرور کی کارروائی ہونی چاہیے تھی. اس کیس کے اندر نئے قواعد بنائے گئے۔ کیا نیب نے جلاوطنی کے سہولت کاری پر قانونی کارروائی کی؟

جسٹس مشیر عالم نے کہا کہ کیا کل کوئی اور حکومت کسی دوسرے ملزم کو معاہدہ کر کے باہر جانے دے گی؟

نوازشریف کی پاکستان واپسی کے متعلق ڈپٹی پراسیکیوٹر نیب عمران الحق کا کہنا تھا کہ سپریم کورٹ کے حکم کے بعد ہی سابق وزیرِ اعظم واپس آئے تھے۔

جسٹس قاضی فائزعیسٰی کا کہنا تھا کہ اگر نواز شریف خود ملک سے باہر گئے تھے تو انہیں وطن واپسی کے لیے درخواست دینے کی ضرورت نہیں پڑتی۔

جسٹس مشیر عالم نے استفسار کیا کہ ملزمان کی وطن واپسی پر انہیں گرفتار کیوں نہیں کیا گیا؟ اس پر عمران الحق کا کہنا تھا کہ کیس چلنے کے بعد عدالت ہی گرفتاری کا حکم دے سکتی تھی۔

انہوں نے عدالت کو بتایا کہ 17 جولائی 2011ء کو اس وقت کے چیئرمین نیب کی جانب سے کیس کی بحالی کے لیے دوبارہ درخواست دائر کی گئی تھی جس کے بعد ملزمان نے 17 اکتوبر 2011ء کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں درخواست دائر کی تھی جس کے ایک روز بعد ہی ملزمان کو حکمِ امتناعی دے دیا گیا تھا۔

جسٹس قاضی فائز نے کہا کہ اگر ہائی کورٹ کا حکم کالعدم بھی کردیں پھر بھی ملزمان کے خلاف ریفرنس تو بحال نہیں ہوگا جس پر عمران الحق کا کہنا تھا کہ ریفرنس بحالی کی درخواست پر احتساب عدالت سماعت کرے گی۔

عدالت نے اظہارِ برہمی کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ اگر پاناما پیپرز کیس کا معاملہ سامنے نہیں آتا تو نیب حدیبیہ پیپر ملز ریفرنس میں کچھ نہیں کرتا۔

جسٹس قاضی فائز عیسٰی نے ڈپٹی پراسیکیوٹر نیب سے کہا کہ پاناما پیپرز کیس میں سپریم کورٹ کے حتمی فیصلے کا آپریٹو حصہ پڑھا جائے۔ اس فیصلے میں حدیبیہ پیپر ملز کے بارے میں کچھ نہیں کہا گیا جبکہ اس میں لکھا گیا ہے کہ جس وقت نیب کی جانب سے اس کیس میں اپیل دائر کی جائے گی تب ہی اسے دیکھا جائے گا۔

ان کا مزید کہنا تھا کہ نیب حکام اقلیتی فیصلے کا حوالہ دے رہے ہیں جو اس بینچ پر لازم نہیں اور اگر سپریم کورٹ نے اس کیس پر حکم دیا ہے تو پھر ہم سماعت کیوں کررہے ہیں؟

عدالتِ عظمیٰ نے حدیبیہ پیپر ملز کیس پر براہِ راست ٹی وی پروگرام میں تبصرے کرنے پر پابندی عائد کردی اور صرف کورٹ رپورٹنگ کی اجازت دی۔

جسٹس قاضی فائز نے کہا کہ ٹاک شوز میں کیس کے حقائق پر بات نہیں کی جاسکتی، پیمرا سپریم کورٹ کے حکم پر عمل درآمد کو یقینی بنائے۔

قبل ازیں کیس کی سماعت ملتوی کرنے کی نیب کی درخواست مسترد کرتے ہوئے جسٹس مشیر عالم نے اپنے ریمارکس میں کہا کہ جس بنیاد پر نیب سماعت ملتوی کرانا چاہتا ہے وہ کوئی نکتہ نہیں۔

جسٹس فائز عیسیٰ نے نیب پراسیکیوٹر کو مخاطب کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ عدالت کا مذاق نہ اڑائیں، کیوں نہ آپ کے خلاف توہین عدالت کی کارروائی کریں؟ ہمارے لیے ہر کیس ہائی پروفائل ہے، اگر نیب سے کوئی لا افسر پیش نہیں ہو سکتا تو پھر استعفیٰ دے دیں۔ التوا کی درخواست دائر کرنے کا حکم کس نے دیا؟

ڈپٹی پراسیکیوٹر نیب عمران الحق نے عدالت کو بتایا کہ التوا کی درخواست کا فیصلہ چیئرمین نیب جسٹس (ر) جاوید اقبال کی سربراہی میں اجلاس میں ہوا۔ کیس کی پیروی کے لیے نئے پراسیکیوٹر جنرل کے نام کی سمری بھیجی ہوئی ہے، جلد منظور ہو جائے گی۔ مناسب ہوگا کہ اس ہائی پروفائل کیس میں پراسیکیوٹر جنرل خود پیش ہوں۔

جسٹس فائز عیسیٰ نے کہا کہ کیس تو ملتوی نہیں ہو گا، کیوں نہ چیئرمین نیب کو بلا کر پوچھ لیا جائے۔

کیس کی سماعت منگل کو دوبارہ ہوگی۔
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@PakSword i agree with you now.. ab mujhe bhi lag raha hai ke shayad hudaibya case reopen na ho
Justice Khosa ki saari mehnat waste hojayegi.. aaj Qazi Faez Isa ne Justice Khosa ke verdict ko tu saaf keh diya ke ye minority judgment hai..aap minority verdict ka reference de rahay hain...woh hum par lazim nahi.... Waah!!
Claps for Justice Qazi faez Isa..

Aur phir unhon ne iss case par talkshows main baat karnay se bhi manaa kardyia.. kiun ? Panama case hua.... baqi cases huay... kisi case par discussion se manaa nahi kiya gaya.. aaj hudiabya case par talkshows main discussion se kiun manaa kar diya gaya???

Agar inke dil saaf hain ...aur neeyat main khot nahi tu discussion se kiun manaa kiya gaya?

Justice Qazi Faez Isa is desperate to save Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif..

 

[PakSword]

Justice Qazi Faez Isa is desperate to save Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif..

He is a changed man.. Anyway, Hudaibiya mushkil hai khulna..

 

[Farah Sohail]

He is a changed man.. Anyway, Hudaibiya mushkil hai khulna..

Kiya Qazi Faez Isa pehle achay thay??? Waqayi??

He is soo desperate to save sharifs tht he said abt Justice Khosa's verdict to NAB ke aap minority verdict ko refer karrahay hian.. woh hum par binding nahi

Justice Khosa ke logical verdict ko keh rahy ke woh tu sirf minority verdict hai...

 

[PakSword]

Kiya Qazi Faez Isa pehle achay thay??? Waqayi??

He is soo desperate to save sharifs tht he said abt Justice Khosa's verdict to NAB ke aap minority verdict ko refer karrahay hian.. woh hum par binding nahi

Justice Khosa ke logical verdict ko keh rahy ke woh tu sirf minority verdict hai...

Yes, he was relatively better.. You remember he gave verdict against Ch. Nisar's ministry when police recruits were martyred in Quetta? He was very strict in his verdict..

But now, he desperately wants to save shareefs..

 

[El_Swordsmen]

Kiya Qazi Faez Isa pehle achay thay??? Waqayi??

He is soo desperate to save sharifs tht he said abt Justice Khosa's verdict to NAB ke aap minority verdict ko refer karrahay hian.. woh hum par binding nahi

Justice Khosa ke logical verdict ko keh rahy ke woh tu sirf minority verdict hai...

Yes, he was relatively better.. You remember he gave verdict against Ch. Nisar's ministry when police recruits were martyred in Quetta? He was very strict in his verdict..

But now, he desperately wants to save shareefs..

I have one question, are remarks of judges is equal to verdict ??

 

[Dil Pakistan]

I have one question, are remarks of judges is equal to verdict ??

Very important point - NO, they are not.

Judges remarks are only to draw attention of lawyers, seek clarification and smoothen the entagled complicated webs (legal or otherwise).

Kiya Qazi Faez Isa pehle achay thay??? Waqayi??

He is soo desperate to save sharifs tht he said abt Justice Khosa's verdict to NAB ke aap minority verdict ko refer karrahay hian.. woh hum par binding nahi

Justice Khosa ke logical verdict ko keh rahy ke woh tu sirf minority verdict hai...

Yes, he was relatively better.. You remember he gave verdict against Ch. Nisar's ministry when police recruits were martyred in Quetta? He was very strict in his verdict..

But now, he desperately wants to save shareefs..

@Farah Sohail ; @PakSword

I beg to differ my friends.

And here are my reasons:

Hudayibia paper mill is a very complicated case, and a legal challenge for SC.
It is not easy to overturn the High Court verdict.

In addition, the loopholes in the legal process and the verdict are expoilted by defence lawyers to launch a review petition.

Qazi Faiz Issa is a very competent judge. In my view, he is trying to cover the "weaker" aspects of this case by challenging the NAB lawyers. If these aspects are covered to the satisfaction of SC in the begining, then it will make it easier for the case to progress. It will be difficult for defence lawyers to put a petition in SC, requesting the halt of proceesings under this bench (please note how the Shareef lawyers have played games in the recent weeks and months).

This bench wants to cover the points that can potentially be raised by Shareef's lawyers during, or after the case is finished.

If you remember we had similar discussion during panama bench hearings and there were doubts about the judges of that bench.
In the end, it was 5 - 0

Same will happen here - inshaALLAH.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yes, he was relatively better.. You remember he gave verdict against Ch. Nisar's ministry when police recruits were martyred in Quetta? He was very strict in his verdict..

But now, he desperately wants to save shareefs..

I know Justice Isa gave verdict agaimst Ch Nisar but dont u think ke ChNisar ke against verdict bhi ek tarah se Nawaz Sharif ko favor karna hi hai?

Maybe he was always in favor of NS....

Panama verdict ke baad tu khul kar saamnay aagaye yeh.. pehlay Irfan Mangi ki insult ki, ab hudaibya case main ye harkatein..

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Panama case judges ke ilaawa Justice Maqbool baqar bhi achay hain.. he dissented in orange train verdict...

@Farah Sohail ; @PakSword

I beg to differ my friends.

And here are my reasons:

Hudayibia paper mill is a very complicated case, and a legal challenge for SC.
It is not easy to overturn the High Court verdict.

In addition, the loopholes in the legal process and the verdict are expoilted by defence lawyers to launch a review petition.

Qazi Faiz Issa is a very competent judge. In my view, he is trying to cover the "weaker" aspects of this case by challenging the NAB lawyers. If these aspects are covered to the satisfaction of SC in the begining, then it will make it easier for the case to progress. It will be difficult for defence lawyers to put a petition in SC, requesting the halt of proceesings under this bench (please note how the Shareef lawyers have played games in the recent weeks and months).

This bench wants to cover the points that can potentially be raised by Shareef's lawyers during, or after the case is finished.

If you remember we had similar discussion during panama bench hearings and there were doubts about the judges of that bench.
In the end, it was 5 - 0

Same will happen here - inshaALLAH.

We are not only saying this abt Qazi Faez Isa because of his remarks in hudaibya case...but because of the following

1) Just afterpanama verdict..he and Justice Dost insulted Irfan Mangi

2) initially Dr Asim Ecl case was heard by Ejaz Afzal bench..which suggested composition of independent medical board comprising of doctors from all provinces.. but later it went to Qazi Faez Isa bench which removed his name from ecl after first hearing only.. NAB ko bura bala keh kar ...he removed his name from ECL ..

And now his remarksin hudaibya case

qazi Faez baatein bari bari kartay but he favors influential ppl

 

[PakSword]

I have one question, are remarks of judges is equal to verdict ??

No... but there are certain judges whose remarks give us an indication of the possible verdict.

@Farah Sohail ; @PakSword

I beg to differ my friends.

And here are my reasons:

Hudayibia paper mill is a very complicated case, and a legal challenge for SC.
It is not easy to overturn the High Court verdict.

In addition, the loopholes in the legal process and the verdict are expoilted by defence lawyers to launch a review petition.

Qazi Faiz Issa is a very competent judge. In my view, he is trying to cover the "weaker" aspects of this case by challenging the NAB lawyers. If these aspects are covered to the satisfaction of SC in the begining, then it will make it easier for the case to progress. It will be difficult for defence lawyers to put a petition in SC, requesting the halt of proceesings under this bench (please note how the Shareef lawyers have played games in the recent weeks and months).

This bench wants to cover the points that can potentially be raised by Shareef's lawyers during, or after the case is finished.

If you remember we had similar discussion during panama bench hearings and there were doubts about the judges of that bench.
In the end, it was 5 - 0

Same will happen here - inshaALLAH.

I hope you are right..

I know Justice Isa gave verdict agaimst Ch Nisar but dont u think ke ChNisar ke against verdict bhi ek tarah se Nawaz Sharif ko favor karna hi hai?

Maybe he was always in favor of NS....

Iss angle se tou main ne bhi nahi socha..