Palestinian baby dies in arson attack

[Taygibay]

I do not hope the left-wing will rise because they're actually gonna do something, but because they're less harmful.

Hum! Voting intelligently are we? Impressive! It takes a staunch soul to go for the lesser evil …
when one's heart would vote good if the choice was available. Kudos mayn fraynd!

more reason why I hate Israel.......

Don not hate Israel the nation as a whole, Tipu. Rayz above just showed he is a decent honest human being
and there are more than one Israeli type. The settlers themselves vary in "style" though usually extremists.
But moving from national conviction to religious, there are those traditionalists that study the Law & Prophets
and are fighting incorporation into Tsahal ( they refuse to do military service ). There are then millions of Israeli
that are very modern and only want to live well and go to the beach often ready to share it with anyone from
Palestinians to Israeli Arabs and tourists. And I exchanged with Yadin Kaufmann, a very nice guy who is part
of a peace group that attempts to raise Palestinian living conditions. He helps start-ups in Ramallah get up & running.

What you see there is a policy that uses the settlements as a tool. It gets the most hardcore citizens out of their hair.
And they can dissociate themselves publicly from them on occasion. The idea is to outlast the Palestinians which is
why the Jerusalem govt fights any international recognition so much. Slow but constant increments in settlements
and control of Jerusalem East go on faster than concessions in negotiations that are always dropped before signing
anything due to some intifada / war op anyway so that hopefully the problem ( Palestinians which being divided
don't have a real voice but 2 opposing ones which itself blocks negos ) will disappear before the solution appears?

Bluntly put, under this policy, Israel has no interest in peace : they're playing the clock!

But again, that's a policy. Society is changing and could make it stop. The question is is it changing fast enough?

Good day all, Tay.

 

[Blue Marlin]

the Zionist regim is digging its own grave. the will soon be destroyed.

your english is horrible.

 

[Lavrentiy]

Problem is,if you limit relations with Israel this way you miss out on the benefits to society that occur from having a healthier collective psyche, one that isn't continually distorted by messing up right and wrong, the endorsement of extremism over human rights, etc.

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UPDATED: The Long List of Arab Attacks Over Shabbat

By: Jewish Press News Briefs
Published: August 2nd, 2015

Arab threw firebombs at Jewish residential buildings in Beit Hanina
Photo Credit: OhevChadashot / Rotter.net

HaKol Hayehudi has compiled a list of 50 Arab terror attacks and riots over the weekend.

This list is not complete…

Sunday – August 2, 2015

0:52 Arabs threw stones at vehicles at the Zarzir intersection up north, damage reported

00:38 Arabs rioting in the Old City of Jerusalem

0:02 Arabs threw stones at vehicles on the road near Karnei Shomron

Shabbat – August 1, 2015

23:58 One lightly injured from stone throwing at the Givaot junction

23:50 Two Jews were slightly injured by stones thrown near the village of Duma

23:22 Fireworks and stones thrown at Beit Haddasah in Hebron

23:03 Arab punctured tires of a car belonging to a Jew and sprayed graffiti near the Leonardo Hotel in Jerusalem.

23:02 Arabs threw Molotov cocktails at vehicles at Hussan bypass road in Gush Etzion

22:58 Rocket fire, Arabs from Gaza fired rockets at Israeli communities. The rocket landed inside the Gaza Strip

22:51 Dozens of Arabs rioted in the neighborhood of Silwan in Jerusalem

22:46 Arabs set a fire near Post 670 near Yitzhar, from the village if Atzira

22:15 Dozens of Arab rioters in Ras al-Amud in Jerusalem

21:38 Arabs threw Molotov cocktails at Shiva House in Beit Hanina in Jerusalem, damage reported

21:17 Arabs set off fireworks, threw Molotov cocktails and stones at Border Police Old City of Jerusalem

21:11 Arabs threw stones at vehicles near the settlement of Efrat in Gush Etzion, damage reported

20:48 Arabs set fires in several locations in the settlement of Talmon in Binyamin

20:41 Arabs set fire to fence of Psagot

On Saturday dozens of Arabs rioted in Wadi Ara highway 65, blocked the road and threw stones at police

• Arabs rioted and set fire to tires on Highway 444 near Taibe Sharon

20:28 Arabs threw a bomb from the village Jalazun at Beit El’s fence

20:05 Arab rioting from the village of Jalazun

19:45 Arab prisoner lit a fire in a synagogue in Hasharon Prison. After clashes broke out between Jews and Arabs Prisoners

19:12 Arabs threw stones near the West Bank village of Beit Furik

18:23 Arabs threw stones near the village of Beit Ummar in Gush Etzion

17:30 Dozens of Arabs rioted rioted and threw stones at the Alon road near the village of Duma Benjamin. Arab report on the number of injured rioters instead

15:30 Dozens of Arabs rioted near the village G’izon and threw stones and firebombs at the Beit El settlement and at IDF forces in place

12:10 Dozens of Arabs rioted in Betunia

12:07 Dozens of Arabs rioted in Abu Dis

11:50 Two Arabs crossed over the fence along the Gaza border and were captured by IDF forces

10:20 A Border Policeman was lightly injured by stones thrown at him near the community of Aish Kodesh. Arab rioters began to set fire to the vineyards of the residents of the community

10:05 Arabs attacked residents of Aish Kodesh near the settlement of Shilo and threw stones at IDF forces

10:00 Arabs placed a bomb on a highway near Bethlehem. Bomb neutralized by sapper

9:45 Fishing boats sailing went beyond the approved area near the Gaza Strip, were turned back by IDF fire

8:32 Arabs rioted and threw stones in Hebron

7:00 Arabs set fire to a monument to Joseph Shuk near the settlement of Beit Haggai in the Hebron Hills, damage reported

Friday – July 31, 2015

00:20 Jew was lightly injured by stones in Beit Hanina in Jerusalem

00:00 Two police officers were slightly injured in riots by Arabs in Jerusalem Isiwiya

22:56 Arabs threw firebombs at Jewish buildings in the neighborhood of Beit Hanina in Jerusalem, damage reported

20:50 Arabs firebombed a courtyard on Meir Nakar street in Armon HaNatziv in East Talpiot in Jerusalem, damaged

20:45 Dozens of Arabs rioted in the border fence near the Gaza Strip. The IDF fired and one Gazan rioter injured. Arab media reports he was killed.

20:40 Arab approaching Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus compound, he was removed by the IDF

19:15 Arab threw a Molotov cocktail at an IDF outpost in Binyamin Atarot checkpoint was shot by the IDF and was transferred to a hospital in the city where, according to Arab reports, died of his wounds

18:48 Arabs took over a ridge in Itamar in Samaria, lit a fire and threw stones

18:35 Arabs threw stones at vehicles on Route 443 near the Atarot

18:24 Arabs threw a Molotov cocktail at an IDF position near the settlement of Halamish in Binyamin. Fire broke out

18:02 Arabs rioted near the Beit Orot neighborhood in Jerusalem

17:45 Arabs threw stones at vehicles Hussan bypass road in Gush Etzion

17:41 Arabs from the village of Orif ignited near the settlement of Yitzhar in the Shomron

17:29 Arabs threw stones at vehicles at the intersection of Yakir in Samaria, damage reported

17:03 Arabs rioting and throwing stones at IDF forces near the village of Beit Ummar in Gush Etzion

16:40 Arabs threw stones at IDF forces in the village of Anata, Benjamin

16:36 Arabs rioted in Hebron Hills’ village of Aida

15:46 Arabs set fire on the way up to Har Bracha in the Shomron

15:45 Arabs set fire to a fire at the southern entrance of Kiryat Arba

15:44 Arabs threw Molotov cocktails and stones at border police forces in Jerusalem Isiwiya

15:22 Dozens of Arab rioting in the village Nabi Saleh

15:20 Dozens of Arabs rioted in the village Jalazun and threw stones at the settlement of Beit El

15:13 Arabs threw stones at the bus line 966 near Katzrin, caused heavy damage

15:11 Dozens of Arabs rioted in the village of Killil in the Samaria and attacked IDF forces

14:26 Dozens of Arab rioters in Hebron

14:16 Arabs threw stones at vehicles near the village of Halhul, Hebron Hills

14:06 Arabs fireworks and stones at border policemen at Qalandiya

13:59 Dozens of Arabs rioted in the southern Hebron, and attacked IDF forces

13:45 A policeman was lightly injured by a glass bottle thrown at him near the Huta gate in the Old City of Jerusalem

12:56 A shooting attack Arabs fired at vehicles near the town of Kochav Hashachar. The car was damaged but no injuries were reported. The driver returned fire.

11:39 Arabs threw stones at vehicles at the intersection of Azun in the Shomron, damage reported

10:55 Arabs hurled stones at vehicles on the road up to Har Bracha

Diplomatic relations are not based on some moral position. Pursuit of national interest is the ultimate objective.

Pakistan needs to have diplomatic relations (whether open or under-the-table) for its own benefit. We will continue to criticize Israel at the UN for obvious purposes.

I am certain that Israel can contemplate that mere criticism by the Pakistan is just a hogwash. It would only be ceremonial.

 

[Solomon2]

Diplomatic relations are not based on some moral position. Pursuit of national interest is the ultimate objective.

Perhaps. Yet where Israel is concerned Pakistanis are denied any kind of debate about the national interest! You've been reduced from citizens to mere subjects. If you want to gain your dignity, you have to oppose that, yes?

List of Israeli price tag attacks
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All these purported attacks over seven years, yet last week's is the first fatality? Apparently the intent isn't murder but intimidation. (But last week's attackers still need to be charged with 2nd or 3rd degree murder - that's what it is when you commit arson and someone dies.)

 

[Gufi]

All these purported attacks over seven years, yet last week's is the first fatality? Apparently the intent isn't murder but intimidation. (But last week's attackers still need to be charged with 2nd or 3rd degree murder - that's what it is when you commit arson and someone dies.)

All these attacks to gain land and nothing done about it.. many times arrests with no convictions.. Haaretz has a great article on this with the intimidation of settlers. First off all settlements are illegal, secondly they terrorise families and when they retaliate by throwing stones they get shot and blamed for throwing stones, and intimidation for so many years comes is considered torture. so stop defending them and purported attacks go read your own media and what some papers have said about these attacks.

settlers are terrorists who intimidate and terrorise people and write revenge on the walls when they hurt others. the villagers fear for their lives and live in terror, the very goal of terrorists. when will the mass bombing start on settler camps without regard to children and women..

Bluntly put, under this policy, Israel has no interest in peace : they're playing the clock!

the world has started hating them, with support being lost in every corner of the world. And with Israel losing what it had, sympathy, the tide will change soon. the UN is being questioned by countries and dissent against the brutal views of the country can be seen as the loss of favour even in the highest level of the US government. The people see now what they never were shown before thanks to the internet and social media and they will influence the thought process of their countries in time.

 

[Solomon2]

All these attacks to gain land and nothing done about it.. many times arrests with no convictions.

There have been convictions: link

Haaretz has a great article on this with the intimidation of settlers. First off all settlements are illegal -

Haaretz is no great judge of what's legal and what isn't. I don't trust their writing very far, either - they seem to see what they want, not what is.

...so stop defending them and purported attacks -

Not defending them. I added "purported" because at least one of the attacks on the wiki list - Tuba Zangaria - is most unlikely to have been "price tag" activity. I will investigate others further later, if I can.

 

[500]

27 year old Israeli woman suffered moderate injuries tonight from Palestinian firebomb attack in Jerusalem.

 

[Gufi]

There have been convictions: link

less then ten percent are convicted
and this was 3 years
for All three, aged 22-25, were found guilty of racist incitement, conspiracy to commit a hate crime, arson and vandalism. and this was the most ever given
However, in spite of recommendations made by the attorney general, the justice and internal security ministers, and even the Shin Bet, the governmental cabinet has decided not to deem 'price tag' attacks as acts of terror, rather opting to enhance the defense minister's ability to curb such attacks by deeming their organizers as illegal associations.

yes and all these are also wrong with the newspaper. grow up they are terrorists go bomb them also now

 

[Solomon2]

less then ten percent are convicted
and this was 3 years for All three, aged 22-25, were found guilty of racist incitement, conspiracy to commit a hate crime, arson and vandalism. and this was the most ever given

Doubtless that's why, after the baby's death, there's a general call for increased severity in these matters.

 

[Gufi]

do not give me platitudes, it has been years and years and all your government does is ignore the issue it is worse than what the terrorists do abroad, because there there is no proper law and order system that compares with Israel in harsh brutal methods but apparently it all mellows down when it is not Palestinian blood. Why no air strikes and a couple of artillery shells, on these settlements.

Doubtless that's why, after the baby's death, there's a general call for increased severity in these matters.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

What else do you expect from these Zionazis to whom the blood of gentiles means nothing.

 

[Solomon2]

do not give me platitudes, it has been years and years and all your government does is ignore the issue it is worse than what the terrorists do abroad -

Ah, now you've done gone out on a bender, here. Yeah, it's tough for you to evaluate the facts and context fairly because you'd surely conclude that what Israel does, collectively, is more fair and just and better for the world than what dozens of Muslim-ruled regimes offer their inhabitants. What you're doing satisfies you psychologically but doesn't excuse you morally.

 

[Gufi]

Ah, now you've done gone out on a bender, here. Yeah, it's tough for you to evaluate the facts and context fairly because you'd surely conclude that what Israel does, collectively, is more fair and just and better for the world than what dozens of Muslim-ruled regimes offer their inhabitants. What you're doing satisfies you psychologically but doesn't excuse you morally.

no actually it is very simple logic, you call all those nations terrorists because of their hate speech, they have no actions other than their speech at times. but than comes people who are actually labelled terrorists by your law and ministers, and your own internal intelligence, yet your biased government can not even do what your law and intelligence has proven to be terrorists. and more and more people die and more and more settlements are spawned while you debate on how to handle the situation. what do you think if you intimidate a person and the law has no answer will this man act rationally after a certain time. when he loses all rational thoughts and acts with vengeance your media will call the victim of years of intimidation as a terrorist, but forgive those who committed years of intimidation. there are two type of tortures, and the settlers apply both yet are not hunted down like other terrorists who do the same.

 

[Rayz]

If I may, most settlers aren't like that, and those who are - radical - have not always been like that.

When the Israeli settling of the west bank began, somewhere in the 70's, there was "plenty for everyone". The defeated Arab population didn't make noise about it, since it actually profited them in a way. The Hashemites were not exactly kind to them, and Israel created new economic ties, like new air.

As the years passed, the apartment prices in Tel Aviv and central Israel in general, became higher and higher. The settlements offered an alternative, a low-price house with a community feeling, just 20-30 min drive from Tel Aviv. You'd be surprised to know that most of the citizens labeled as settlers, meaning people who live beyond the 67' border, are not there because of some agenda, but rather social economic reasons. In a way I think the government wanted this situation to happen.

For a long time, the settlements became the Israeli "wild west", where the mainstream education is decaying. That's when the radicals come in. The religious leaders that control the settlers are not ultra-Orthodox, but rather their political rivals. The more influence they have, the more power they seize over the religious institute in Israel, but that's another story. This sect is the one that is swaying away from Israeli mainstream, at least media-wise.

I hope to bring to knowledge that there are people in Israel who are sick of this. I am personally tired of talking about who killed who, who came first, and who started. That kind of stuff doesn't solve problems. I have tons of facts that can dissolve the existence of the Palestinian people, but how does that help anyone? We need to focus on the ones that made these problems be, and that's the Israeli government, Hamas, Fatah and other scumbag governments.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I have tons of facts that can dissolve the existence of the Palestinian people, but how does that help anyone?

What?

There should be no Israeli settlers on Palestinian territory (West Bank). End of story. They have absolutely no business there. They have Israel for that. There is plenty of room in the Negev Desert.