Pakistan's silent partition

[Kompromat]

@OrionHunter There are lots of things which were not written. Now your post is deleted so I want to say that you should read all materials linked to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. I have already read so many disturbing things. So, leave this thing to scholars.

His intent was to troll, talk to me when you see him engaged in an actual conversation the next time.

 

[ranjeet]

This is relevant to see comparison between India and Pakistan, hence US President Obama already pointed finger to India to allow more religious freedom and tolerances than Pakistan.

Well this ain't the thread for it.

 

[faisal6309]

Oh!
Thats interesting. Thanks!

One of my muslim friend told me that shias 're not allowed to go to sunni mosques. But my freind ( who is a sunni) dared to take a shia (a common friend of our's) to a sunni mosque. It was during the prayer that my friend realised that shias 've different style of praying, and he wasted no time in bringing the other friend out of the mosque (lol).
Though i dont know what the difference in praying is.

There are many different groups in Shia alone. Some like to beat themselves in Muharam and other say that it is Haram. Lots of Shias go to Sunni mosques in my area. This is only problem in rural areas. Shia people know that their fight is with Wahabbis and Deobands not Bralvis and Sufists and Mughal king had made their system according to sufi believes. Same with Ottomon Empire. That is why non-Muslims were living without any problem in both South Asia and Ottomon Empire.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Pakistan's silent partition
by Zehra Abid

Men at prayer inside the Ahmadi mosque in Negombo, Sri Lanka.

Pakistan’s story began with a parting — partition from India — and now, for a growing number of people, it is ending with another parting. Negombo, a beach town 24 miles from Sri Lanka’s capital, Colombo, is refuge for hundreds of Ahmadi Muslims fleeing persecution in Pakistan.

According to the Colombo office of the UN Refugee Agency, or UNHCR, there was a nearly 780 percent increase in the number of Pakistani asylum seekers in Sri Lanka from 2012, when 152 people sought asylum, to 2013, when this number jumped to 1,338. While most of them are Ahmadis, the number also includes Pakistani Christians and Shia Muslims, who have also faced increasing persecution in Pakistan over the years.

However, with Sri Lanka becoming less accessible following the suspension last year of on-arrival visa facilities, fewer people have sought shelter here recently. In 2014, only 239 new asylum seekers were registered.

Members of the Ahmadiyya community can be found all over the world. In Pakistan, their population ranges from 600,000 to 700,000, according to Ahmadi leaders in that country (there has been no census there since 1998). They are among a growing number of minorities — people belonging to small sects within Islam and non-Muslims — leaving Pakistan against the backdrop of increasing religious intolerance and attacks on marginal groups in recent years.

In the lottery of birth, Negombo’s newest residents have been terrible losers. There is a law against Ahmadis practicing their religion in Pakistan, where they were declared non-Muslims under a constitutional amendment more than 40 years ago, following months of rioting. Decades later, the legislation has divided both homes and families and sent many into exile. The worst incident in recent times occurred in May 2010 in Lahore when two Ahmadi mosques were attacked, resulting in the deaths of nearly 100 people.

“Ahmadis have a good case for asylum because there is legalized, state-sanctioned persecution against them in Pakistan,” says Asad Jamal, a human-rights lawyer in Pakistan. “There is both formal and informal discrimination against the group, from criminal cases being instituted against Ahmadis for practicing their belief system, being informally barred against being given jobs in state institutions, to their graveyards being desecrated … Students, too, are forced to hide their identity. How can people live in such a situation?”

The Ahmadi mosque in Negombo is a cradle for those seeking asylum. There is a mix of ages, backgrounds and incomes here, but the asylum seekers are united by their loss. Almost everyone has lost a family member, a friend, an acquaintance. Some have lost their homes to looting or arson. At the mosque, they come to socialize, take the free classes that are offered and worship with a freedom that they did not have in Pakistan.

FULL STORY -> Pakistani Ahmadis Seek Asylum in Sri Lanka | Al Jazeera America

These folks face a real problem - they are not considered Muslim in Pakistan. In fact they were declared non Muslim by one of the first Resolutions declared by the Dominion of Pakistan, in 1948 (yes, just after freedom!). The priority was there you see.
Then they emigrate to the West and face problems for being Muslim!

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Oh!
Thats interesting. Thanks!

One of my muslim friend told me that shias 're not allowed to go to sunni mosques. But my freind ( who is a sunni) dared to take a shia (a common friend of our's) to a sunni mosque. It was during the prayer that my friend realised that shias 've different style of praying, and he wasted no time in bringing the other friend out of the mosque (lol).
Though i dont know what the difference in praying is.

thats utter nonsense who ever told you that is an idiot the mosques (there are 3 ) i go for praying have both shias and sunnies praying alongside no one looks down upon them for the way they pray
different sects have different ways of praying
ahl-hadess method of praying is little different from the regular sunnies s

There are many different groups in Shia alone. Some like to beat themselves in Muharam and other say that it is Haram. Lots of Shias go to Sunni mosques in my area. This is only problem in rural areas. Shia people know that their fight is with Wahabbis and Deobands not Bralvis and Sufists and Mughal king had made their system according to sufi believes. Same with Ottomon Empire. That is why non-Muslims were living without any problem in both South Asia and Ottomon Empire.

what is a wahabbi play along ?

 

[punit]

This is relevant to see comparison between India and Pakistan, hence US President Obama already pointed finger to India to allow more religious freedom and tolerances than Pakistan.

in order to fulfill that objective we are going to implement blasphemy Law soon!

 

[I.R.A]

These folks face a real problem - they are not considered Muslim in Pakistan. In fact they were declared non Muslim by one of the first Resolutions declared by the Dominion of Pakistan, in 1948 (yes, just after freedom!). The priority was there you see.
Then they emigrate to the West and face problems for being Muslim!

Dude stop it you are not educated enough for this topic as you pretend to be, you have no clue of the basic difference and root causes. If I were you I would refrain from getting involved in this discussion just based on limited internet knowledge. Otherwise keep scoring your points against Pakistan.

 

[Razia Sultana]

Yeah ok i guess mainstream Muslims does not recognize them, Fair enough but why the persecution ? Do they ask for special privileges ? Are they violent against other religious beliefs ? Do they ask for some kind of separatism / Through violence ? If Pakistani constitution does grant religious freedom why is there official intolerance towards the ahmedi's by the state ? Why is it illegal ? It cant obviously be a cult because they have been practicing their beliefs for centuries

Christianity has many sects, Judaism as well both are Abrahamic religious along with Islam believing in the same god.. And so do the Ahmedi's.. Yeah thier prophet may be different but is that a reason to prosecute them ?

I never said they or anyone should be prosecuted for anything. I only replied to the query of Levina. In India they have equal rights but a section of muslims dislike them and whenever the govt of India has appointed an Ahmadi to the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, other members have boycotted. This is the reality. Radicals and fanatics are always irrational and inflexible. The world is still struggling with religious intolerance.

 

[faisal6309]

islamic education in germany - Google Search

what is a wahabbi play along ?

Saudi vs Iran
Believe contradictions
History

These folks face a real problem - they are not considered Muslim in Pakistan. In fact they were declared non Muslim by one of the first Resolutions declared by the Dominion of Pakistan, in 1948 (yes, just after freedom!). The priority was there you see.
Then they emigrate to the West and face problems for being Muslim!

They are living in peace in west. Germany has been accepting them for a while now. They don't face any problem instead they are getting more rights. @SarthakGanguly you can check this google link for more details.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Dude stop it you are not educated enough for this topic as you pretend to be, you have no clue of the basic difference and root causes. If I were you I would refrain from getting involved in this discussion just based on limited internet knowledge. Otherwise keep scoring your points against Pakistan.

Is your avatar from Fetih 1453?

They are living in peace in west. Germany has been accepting them for a while now. They don't face any problem instead they are getting more rights.

I actually saw Fox inviting some Ahmediyya Muslim guy over an Islamic topic and bashed him real bad. Guess 'twas just Fox being Fox.

That map looks like Festung Europa, 1944.

 

[Levina]

thats utter nonsense who ever told you that is an idiot the mosques (there are 3 ) i go for praying have both shias and sunnies praying alongside no one looks down upon them for the way they pray
different sects have different ways of praying
ahl-hadess method of praying is little different from the regular sunnies s

Nonesense???
My friend wasn't lying, he would not lie to me about it. There were also other sunni friends in my group and they told me the same version of the story.
I am not sure how it is in pakistan but I think there 're differences between Indian shias and sunnis. @SarthakGanguly @zorash

They have different namaz as well. Almost everything is different.
Source: I used to play cricket in a mosque when it rained.
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Lol
Irfan Pathan and Yusuf pathan also used to play cricket outside a mosque.
But thanks for confirming it. And why should shia's have diff namaz??
Just curious.

There are many different groups in Shia alone. Some like to beat themselves in Muharam and other say that it is Haram. Lots of Shias go to Sunni mosques in my area. This is only problem in rural areas. Shia people know that their fight is with Wahabbis and Deobands not Bralvis and Sufists and Mughal king had made their system according to sufi believes. Same with Ottomon Empire. That is why non-Muslims were living without any problem in both South Asia and Ottomon Empire.

Thanks!
I have seen a muharam procession when I was in lucknow. And I could not watch it for long...that was the first time I came to know about shias.
This incident of my friend taking a shia to sunni mosque, happened when we were in college and it was not a village.

His intent was to troll, talk to me when you see him engaged in an actual conversation the next time.

Mr. Admin how come you missed a guy who went completely off topic on this thread??
post#6 page-1 of this thread.
I hope you will delete his post too.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Saudi vs Iran
Believe contradictions
History

we are ahl-hadees
everyone calls us wahabi the irony is
my father is like the biggest supporter of iran that i know
he has a 6 inch long beared and he is as cool as it gets

 

[faisal6309]

I actually saw Fox inviting some Ahmediyya Muslim guy over an Islamic topic and bashed him real bad. Guess 'twas just Fox being Fox.

That map looks like Festung Europa, 1944.

Fox is Fox. Pope Francis: 'You cannot make fun of the faith of others' - Telegraph People should do what they think is best. Otherwise, following an idiot religious leader will lead to nothing.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

But why should shia's have diff namaz??

I don't know. There are very few Shias in Kashmir. Met very few times, not one were friends. I just know that they are 'different' and do things 'differently'. Shias are also divided into another 12 sects. For example Jinnah was Twelver, and Assad is Alawaite.

 

[I.R.A]

Is your avatar from Fetih 1453?

I was searching for Salah Din Ayubi and out of search results the best one (which I liked) is already in use by someone (he holds an administrator position here). So I chose this one for me.