Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Quwa]

Some of us will pay good money to see @Zarvan angrily flip a table in response to the Army choosing Zastava over the SCAR.

 

[Path-Finder]

Some of us will pay good money to see @Zarvan angrily flip a table in response to the Army choosing Zastava over the SCAR.

I didn't anticipate this from a defense professional like you but it will be price less to see.

 

[Gufi]

Some of us will pay good money to see @Zarvan angrily flip a table in response to the Army choosing Zastava over the SCAR.

A lil off the topic, or actually quite a bit off the topic, but any movement in the area of snipers.
Thinking sniper guns like the one TrackingPoint have developed could really change the ability of our armed forces to take on terrorist threats with less experienced shooters doing the job saving time and reducing the casualty count.... The time taken for our SSG to arrive or even specialised army units really increases the time the terrorists have to operate.
Every city having a few snipers trained with these type of systems could really alter the situation. And we could probably get the guns under the coalition fund which will go to waste otherwise I guess.

 

[That Guy]

Zastava and CZ Bren both are the best option because the come from the manufacture that in long run can help POF and will also provide full support in local production.

I really doubt that army will choose SCAR or ARX 200 as both of them are very expensive options

Really? I feel the opposite (about the choosing part). I feel that the Army may buy the SCAR or the ARX-200, rather than the Zastava or Bren, because they want another rifle that will last them roughly the same amount of time that the G-3 has.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Really? I feel the opposite (about the choosing part). I feel that the Army may buy the SCAR or the ARX-200, rather than the Zastava or Bren, because they want another rifle that will last them roughly the same amount of time that the G-3 has.

Bren is a nice, modern Multi caliber design. It's up there with SCAR and ARX-200 if the reviews are to be believed.

 

[Quwa]

Really? I feel the opposite (about the choosing part). I feel that the Army may buy the SCAR or the ARX-200, rather than the Zastava or Bren, because they want another rifle that will last them roughly the same amount of time that the G-3 has.

The BREN has a relatively rapid iteration cycle. If factored in with it being cheaper (than SCAR or ARX), then in version 3 or version 4 the BREN could end up being the most balanced (cost and performance) option. That said, a Pakistan Army order would be a major boon for Beretta considering the ARX-200 is a new design, the Army may be able to exact some concessions from them in pricing and/or commercial offsets (perpetually plugging in POF into the ARX's global supply chain would be a huge plus). For FN Herstal, a win in Pakistan and an opportunity to utilize POF as a means to reduce component costs would help SCAR attain a lead in the market.

 

[Path-Finder]

The BREN has a relatively rapid iteration cycle. If factored in with it being cheaper (than SCAR or ARX), then in version 3 or version 4 the BREN could end up being the most balanced (cost and performance) option. That said, a Pakistan Army order would be a major boon for Beretta considering the ARX-200 is a new design, the Army may be able to exact some concessions from them in pricing and/or commercial offsets (perpetually plugging in POF into the ARX's global supply chain would be a huge plus). For FN Herstal, a win in Pakistan and an opportunity to utilize POF as a means to reduce component costs would help SCAR attain a lead in the market.

@Zarvan now this is called a balanced view and not cheer leading for SCAR!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Don't trust company guys. Every guy from various companies are claiming their Gun is leading the trials. But I am strictly against ZASTAVA and AK-103.

why dislike for these two?

 

[Zarvan]

why dislike for these two?

They are already quite old designs with lot of recoils and limitation to further upgradtion. Selecting any of the means within 15 to 20 years we would be looking for new Gun once again. They are also not that accurate

 

[Irfan Baloch]

They are already quite old designs with lot of recoils and limitation to further upgradtion. Selecting any of the means within 15 to 20 years we would be looking for new Gun once again. They are also not that accurate

battlefield 4 showcases some if not all of the riles we have discussed and will show almost as accurately what we are talking about in terms of looks and its shooting

 

[Omega007]

battlefield 4 showcases some if not all of the riles we have discussed and will show almost as accurately what we are talking about in terms of looks and its shooting

Ahhh.............FINALLY, another Battlefield fan!!Way to go sir ji!!

 

[Arsalan]

According to guy that works in Zastava (i already mentioned him on this topic and shared some info that he provided on Serbian forum) in total score SCAR is behind Zastava.

The final decision will be made based on a number of parameters and the performance is just one of them. I am not sure if was talking about quality/performance alone (seem unlikely as SCAR is an excellent gun and not sure how it could be left behind any on performance bases) of was he talking about the whole induction process and the decision making (again unlikely as a guy working in the production may not be aware of any development on this front). May be you can talk to him again.
OR
The best thing will be to just wait and see.

rifles aren't like fighters or tanks, you can buy them in smaller batches and in longer terms.

Now who can make them believe this? and HOW???
Yehi tu masla ha bahi!!
Anyway,, this is what we will be doing. The selection process will initially result in induction of a batch of guns which will be distributed among active units. The second decision will be to go for that same gun for whole army or not and it will be made only after some time. We may see some changes at that stage and as pointed out earlier, there are quite a few supporters of an indigenous gun design in positions that matter. Wont be surprised is we see something changing even after the whole current trails and selection process is done with and a batch of guns is produced. This is something both being talked about much right now but it is there on the table and there are people who are in favor of such a move.

Don't trust company guys. Every guy from various companies are claiming their Gun is leading the trials. But I am strictly against ZASTAVA and AK-103.

Yeah and you being against is surely more important then what those companies are saying. Please pardon the ignorance of the masses here. They should know better then to question your information (oh no,, i mean, question your wishes)

I can't predict which rifle will win and be chosen in the end. I am just sharing info i heard from a guy that i know for sure is working in Zastava. There is always a chance that what he told us on Serbian forum is not true (but i can't really see what would that bring him). So it's up to you all to believe it or not. Zastava is competing only in 7.62x51 with M77 rifle.

Bro,, NO ONE can predict, not matter how much they make it look like that but you must not confuse wishful thinking with "predictions". Thank you for sharing the info you had with us.

Everyone who researches on Gun knows Gun back my claim. SCAR without doubt is the best Battle Rifle. From range to accuracy to less recoil in every aspect SCAR is best.

Its an assault rifle sir.

Honestly FN should pay you for promoting their product so aggressively. This much devotion to rifle ought to be better spent else where.

Lets keep it to this one thread please!

A lil off the topic, or actually quite a bit off the topic, but any movement in the area of snipers.
Thinking sniper guns like the one TrackingPoint have developed could really change the ability of our armed forces to take on terrorist threats with less experienced shooters doing the job saving time and reducing the casualty count.... The time taken for our SSG to arrive or even specialised army units really increases the time the terrorists have to operate.
Every city having a few snipers trained with these type of systems could really alter the situation. And we could probably get the guns under the coalition fund which will go to waste otherwise I guess.

We don't need them in hundreds of hundreds of thousands so the idea usually is to buy some of the shelves. Also not real standardization aimed for that field (like a same gun for whole army) so we just keep inducting small batches of different guns. Since it is not so significant we usually don't see them and since they guys are snipers,, it is difficult to spot them in pics to
The idea you shared regrading less trained shooters and guns which can assist them to shoot accurately is something the we have not traditionally followed. Normally, we do not act like this. Now if this is right or wrong is a separate debate.

Really? I feel the opposite (about the choosing part). I feel that the Army may buy the SCAR or the ARX-200, rather than the Zastava or Bren, because they want another rifle that will last them roughly the same amount of time that the G-3 has.

CZ Bern and Zastava can!
Especially CZ Bern. It is right up there.
Also as mentioned previously, performance is just one of the parameters in a decisions so big.

 

[Gufi]

The idea you shared regrading less trained shooters and guns which can assist them to shoot accurately is something the we have not traditionally followed. Normally, we do not act like this. Now if this is right or wrong is a separate debate

Time is equal to life saved. Please go through the details of the system mentioned... tht is why i wanted quwa to look into t but it seemstoo hard to get his attention atm

 

[The Sandman]

battlefield 4 showcases some if not all of the riles we have discussed and will show almost as accurately what we are talking about in terms of looks and its shooting

Yeee so you play BF?

 

[Arsalan]

Time is equal to life saved. Please go through the details of the system mentioned... tht is why i wanted quwa to look into t but it seemstoo hard to get his attention atm

It is bro and I do not disagree with what good it may bring or what you said. Just pointing out how things actually are being handled at the moment. Yours was a suggestion (and i agree with it) mine was an overview of the current situation and the "trend"