Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Ahmet Pasha]

I know sir
I've known since this thread began some 200 years ago

CZ and BREN are same thing JAnab


It seem we are in talks with every one from BREN to Beretta to SCAR to AK we seem to be in talks with every one

 

[Gryphon]

Off Course they will until we select Rifle and place order even if we do it now it would take at least 2 years for production to start and if we order let say 100000 from the company even that would take at least 6 months for first batch to arrive so if you are raising new Division you have to give them current weapons

PA could have issued the rifles lying at various depots or captured ones for sometime rather than importing new.

Both CZ and BREN seem to be strong contenders.
Cz gives many options such as EVO,handguns and BREN

Radom gives both rifle and bullpup.
Interesting!!

This Polish rifle is inferior to other designs - Scar & CZ and more complex to produce as well.

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/940263764770861057

 

[Gryphon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/940263764770861057

If true, would be a massive boost for CZ 807 after the loss in New Zealand.

 

[Path-Finder]

If true, would be a massive boost for CZ 807 after the loss in New Zealand.

French GIGN, Egyptian Spec Ops. Pakistan

 

[LegitimateIdiot]

7.62x39mm CZ 807s in use by Egyptian Security Forces, Possible option to Manufacture in Egypt

by Miles
2017/12/19

Photographs of Egyptian Security Forces armed with 7.62x39mm CZ 807s have recently surfaced, thanks to the efforts of Egypt Defense Review and Mahmoud Gamal, both in-depth analysts of Egyptian defenseprograms. The 7.62x39mm rifles were recently seen in what appears to be a joint operation with Egyptian Paratroopers and Sa’ka special forces in Egypt. In 2013 we reported that a large contract with Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod (CZ) had taken place wherein CZ P-07 handguns, Scorpions, and 5.56x45mm CZ 805s were purchased. From the images, at the time it would appear that this was a law enforcement program to Egyptian police forces separate from the defense forces. Now, from various sources online, it looks like Egypt is actually interested in manufacturing the 807 at home, purchasing a manufacturing license from CZ. This process appears to have picked up in May of this year, and there isn’t much information beyond that. We also have a post on Egypt Defense Portal that has this to say about the technology transfer (Google Translate)-

After the announcement by Lubomír Kovaíík, the head of Czech small armsmanufacturer Česká Zbrojovka CZ during a press conference in February with the Czech newspaper Deník, that Egypt had begun negotiations with the company to transfer manufacturing technology For the CZ 807 double-caliber assault rifle (39 x 7.62 mm Soviet and 45 x 5.56 mm NATO), explaining that the conclusion of the contract depends on the results of the test of Egypt for the Venice current period and to complement the previous report we review the most important features of the gun and its technical specifications.

It must be noted that the 807 Bren is actually a dual caliber rifle, unlike the earlier 5.56x45mm NATO 805 that it is derived from. Initially comes with a lower receiver that accepts proprietary CZ 7.62x39mm magazines (and matching interchangeable barrel/bolt). These magazines are of note because they are direct insert and not at all compatible with standard Kalashnikov magazines with the “rock in” magazinerelease. Inserting a STANAG magazine insert allows the use of 5.56x45mm NATO magazines to used, along with changing out the interchangeable barrel and the bolt.

This photograph was chared on Egypt Defense Review’s Twitter feed–

In addition to these two on Mahmoud Gamal’s Twitter feed-

7.62x39mm CZ 807s in use by Egyptian Security Forces, Possible option to Manufacture in Egypt | thefirearmblog.com

Thats THICK not the People the equipment

 

[Path-Finder]

Thats THICK not the People the equipment

what does that mean?

 

[Gryphon]

French GIGN, Egyptian Spec Ops. Pakistan

Czech Army & French GIGN adopted the CZ Bren 2, offered with barrels ranging from 8-14 inches in length which makes for CQB/carbine/assault rifle.

CZ 807 comes with a 16 inch barrel, just like Type 56, for more conventional requirements.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Czech Army & French GIGN adopted the CZ Bren 2, offered with barrels ranging from 8-14 inches in length which makes for CQB/carbine/assault rifle.

CZ 807 comes with a 16 inch barrel, just like Type 56, for more conventional requirements.

IMO at this stage, any deal or no deal, it's on us and our problems.

 

[Path-Finder]

Czech Army & French GIGN adopted the CZ Bren 2, offered with barrels ranging from 8-14 inches in length which makes for CQB/carbine/assault rifle.

CZ 807 comes with a 16 inch barrel, just like Type 56, for more conventional requirements.

Me thinks, Type 56 may get further updates and new rifle tendre could be scrapped. Like this Polish Beryl

 

[Zarvan]

Me thinks, Type 56 may get further updates and new rifle tendre could be scrapped. Like this Polish Beryl

No chance of tender getting scrapped. POF is basically getting updated and soon decision will be made

 

[Gryphon]

Me thinks, Type 56 may get further updates and new rifle tendre could be scrapped. Like this Polish Beryl

Beryl is an AK-47 chambered for 5.56x45. The upgrades it got have already been applied by Pakistan Army and Rangers to the Type 56 - Picatinny rail, grip and new stock.

 

[Zarvan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/945685124699471872

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/945685124699471872

Hazrat time fo dhamal.

 

[blain2]

I doubt if it will ever make it to Pakistan. 34 Light Infantry Division, currently being raised by PA, is getting new Type 56's.

362 pages on, members are still discussing options Give this a rest, my take is that Pakistan will be at least a few more years late before a decision is made to change the G3 with something else. This is because funding is a huge issue as always and the decision is dependent on many factors including the vast numbers needed (it will be one rifle replacing the G3 in use of all 3 services), it will obviously require licensed production, new assembly lines for the rifle and the ammunition manufacturing and potentially any or all add-ons.

This is a very long term process specially for the numbers needed (north of 500,000) rifles. I don't foresee a decision being made before 2020 with the impact (production and re-equipping) being seen in the next Armed Forces Development Plan (AFDP) post 2025. In the meantime, specialized units will continue to buy small arms as their needs evolve but no big switch in the current AFDP.