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Pakistan's immediate balance of payment crisis is over

Japan, Korea Britain.......

Some of these by barriers, like early Britain. With Japan and Korea it was by barriers and other ways. For example Korea had so many adminitrative demands for, say car imports, that it was difficult to fulfill them. In Japan there was a culture of shaming people who bought foreign cars etc. Imports to these countries were very limited.

I believe all developed countries had strict import control in their early stages.
So Japan developed its autoindustry that killed the whole world autoindustry by protecting it..?

are you confusing ToT via joint ventures with protecting your local industry ?
 
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Should start planning next year's trip to friendly countries
 
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So Japan developed its autoindustry that killed the whole world autoindustry by protecting it..?

are you confusing ToT via joint ventures with protecting your local industry ?

When an industry is first established, it cannot produce world class products and compete with foreign companies that are for more experienced, and financially far more powerful. The country protects it's own markets, the industry makes second rate products and sells it ti its own people because they cannot buy anything else.
After a period of time, experience and financial clout is gained and it can compete with the foreign companies. It's like growing a plant in a greenhouse, until it is strong enough to endure the harsh external climate. Then, often under foreign pressure, the market restrictions are removed. I don't believe that a single major car manufacturing country has not protected its markets in the early stages.

I remember an old English biker saying that when he was young, you couldn't be seen on a Japanese motorbike, you friends would laugh you off the road.
 
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Because IMF is not a loan shark but whose is job is stabilize a country and avoid default..the fundamentals are not horrible in case of Pakistan for IMF to behave as loan shark..the additional package is probably going to be less than 4-5 b dollars....we are not asking for 60-80b pacakge neither are we in irreversible debt situation ..the whole mess is always due to last year election politics and interference with state bank by ruling party ..

IMF core demands are already met and are inline with current finance minister strategy ..he always advocate for independence of statebank and currency valuation just this one step can solve the crisis....

IMF has clear cut rules for overseeing its loans, and none of them allow what you are suggesting. It simply does not work that way.
 
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@ziaulislam

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

This IMF tout was always makes me laugh.
Masoom aadmi or he thinks we are too innocent.
Rofl core IMF demands come after the program director is installed. And then literally prepares the financial plan himself for govt. to execute.
1994/5 an American director did gender rebalance 'reforms' as he was not happy Pakistani middle class eats three meals a day with one male person working and women not going out. There agent PPP under Benazir/ Zardari obliged and started the genocide of middle class from that point to impose 'western values' on Pakistani society by increasing food inflation.


Solution is to listen to what your industry says..education ..tranaprency ..independence and ease of doing business

:lol::lol:

After consistent IMF programs these are the 4 things we have achieved rofl. IMMF gave 8 bn to Zardari in 93 and 2008 to fill in ghost employees and begging loyalty pledge scheme benazir income program, helped remove public education funding in 1994 and 2014... destroyted our financial independence with destruction of manufacturing sector starting in 1995 IMF program going full circle by 2001 IMF prog. and with high utility bills expensive imports thanks to the dollar will completely the ease of doing business. :omghaha:
 
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@ziaulislam

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

This IMF tout was always makes me laugh.
Masoom aadmi or he thinks we are too innocent.
Rofl core IMF demands come after the program director is installed. And then literally prepares the financial plan himself for govt. to execute.
1994/5 an American director did gender rebalance 'reforms' as he was not happy Pakistani middle class eats three meals a day with one male person working and women not going out. There agent PPP under Benazir/ Zardari obliged and started the genocide of middle class from that point to impose 'western values' on Pakistani society by increasing food inflation.




:lol::lol:

After consistent IMF programs these are the 4 things we have achieved rofl. IMMF gave 8 bn to Zardari in 93 and 2008 to fill in ghost employees and begging loyalty pledge scheme benazir income program, helped remove public education funding in 1994 and 2014... destroyted our financial independence with destruction of manufacturing sector starting in 1995 IMF program going full circle by 2001 IMF prog. and with high utility bills expensive imports thanks to the dollar will completely the ease of doing business. :omghaha:
Largest evwr program was 7 billion to nawaz sharif..

Agar marna hey tha tu 8 per kayon rukhay, mein be aik par leyta hun, imf gave 90b dollar to pakistan..

IMF has clear cut rules for overseeing its loans, and none of them allow what you are suggesting. It simply does not work that way.
Can you elobrate what rules..

When an industry is first established, it cannot produce world class products and compete with foreign companies that are for more experienced, and financially far more powerful. The country protects it's own markets, the industry makes second rate products and sells it ti its own people because they cannot buy anything else.
After a period of time, experience and financial clout is gained and it can compete with the foreign companies. It's like growing a plant in a greenhouse, until it is strong enough to endure the harsh external climate. Then, often under foreign pressure, the market restrictions are removed. I don't believe that a single major car manufacturing country has not protected its markets in the early stages.

I remember an old English biker saying that when he was young, you couldn't be seen on a Japanese motorbike, you friends would laugh you off the road.
Never happened that way in thw past may be we can do it for the first time..
Usually you use your market to get JV and learn from that experience

Thats how china Japan and korea did it
 
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Never happened that way in thw past may be we can do it for the first time..
Usually you use your market to get JV and learn from that experience

Thats how china Japan and korea did it

Yes, but their domestic market was protected.
 
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@Pakistansdefender Who are you?? Economist, youthia, Asad Umar himself.....

First research how much they are asking.


Then research what IMF loan does to Pakistan every time.
You are right this govt.needs IMF for 'good standing' to crush the middle class beneath them.

IMF loan is an easy option compard to restructuring and doing reforms to tame and clear the dead wood in the bureaucracy.
If you are saying good standing to beg more loans from Paris Club than that is a thing of the past. Multilateral organizations like World Bank refused to fund not one but all mega projects Pakistan proposed e.g.DiamerBhasha Dam. After which they requested China for help.

IMF is more desperate to install the director here to screw us all.

Funny part is everytime they come they give excuse to their pimps selling the IMF package, they bark structural reforms bty the end it really comes up as a socio-economic agenda imposition to target and weaken Pakistani society and norms. The bureaucratic mafia gets away with it with more corruption.


Check how you'll stand good after Rupee touches 150 and inflation doubles spiking food prices, with more corrupt and shady dealings in the govt. structure.
No 1. All the world is not conspiring against us.
No 2. Do you know US was interested in funding diamer bhasha dam. You can even google the meeting of the finance minister in US for diamer bhasha funding. But all of a sudden they refused.
Why?
Then the project went to world Bank... They are very anxious. They already have experience too. They have built several dams in Pakistan previously. But they too refused. Why?
Then we begged China. China agreed. But the terms must very tough. Instead of negotiating the terms, chairman wada cancelled it via his interview. And so even China baked out. Why?
Everyone of above including Asian Development dam was interested then. What happened?
The thing is that gilgit baltistan is disputed region. It is neither a province nor a seperate state under Pakistan such as azad kashmir. So they refused to invest in disputed areas. World Bank, US, ADB asked us to get permission from India to built the dam... Imagine this senerio.
The very same bank world Bank was investing in dasu dam which is in kpk and azad kashmir and punjab. But not in gilgit baltistan. the major reason for the dam not getting any investment is the disputed stasus of Gilgit baltistan.
If you make gb a province. Everyone would be queing up to fund the dam..
Imran can convince Arabs to Invest but it would take some attention, as he is far too busy.
It is the most difficult job in the world, governing Pakistan, probably even. Difficult then governing Afghanistan..

Imf ask for reforms. Last government has great advantage. They have oil bonanza, they only took 4 billion imf package. The get 1 billion from saudis and economic condition was not like Today. Imf pushed them for reforms and they do not carry then out. So whatever was built does not have strong foundations. And so when it fall it fall heard.
When imf come this time, they would ask For reforms and now this is the proper time for Pakistani government to carry out reforms. This government has will and menifesto too. And if they don't they go out the same way previous governments went.
You do not have one problem.. You have a mountain of problems.
Imf is not your enemy.
In this modern world when richest of the rich people in Pakistan are only interested in buying lands and making housing societies for the rich. They only love to buy plots and sell as it is very easy way to earn Money. We complain that we have trade balance. When other countries ask us to show what we produce. We only produce raw materials. We produce the ae materials and same crops that we produce 60 years ago..
We can produce. Chocolate, vanilla, orchids, horticulture exports,
With good policy we can shift ourselves from palm oil totally to sunflower oil, canola oil, corn oil and olive oil.
And industry. We produce nothing. Nothing at all.
We sit down and ask and expect government to do Everything.
It is. Also responsibility of the rich to. Invest on factories and introducing newer technology so that they would create employement for the betterment of their. Country.
We do not even grow spices. We can grow Black paper, cloves, cardemom, saffron, vanilla, nutmeg, mace, cinnamon, cumin, fennel. We do not even grow turmeric. We are bunch of loosers.
Only following archeic methods of farming.
We don't compete with the world and yet we think world is against us as of we matter that much to the world.
 
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Imran Khan / Pakistan Tehrik-e-Ilzam couldn't take any more pressure of being labelled as international beggars.

Saari dunya meh Imran Khan / PTI nay apna mu kala karwaya aur saath Pakistan ka bi.

Shaikh Chillis.
 
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@ziaulislam

You lie also, 2008 IMF program was Nawaz Govt.? It was Zardari that took $8 bn as standby arrangement .

Nawaz Govt. took $4.4 bn in 2013 which was extended fund facility.

All these IMF programs education budget was cut more than half. In 1994 IMF helped govt. cut 2.2% of education budget. One of the worst ever budget cuts.
Still IMF programs under PPP were failure and could'nt recover the loan. The IMF could only draw 60-70% from that govt.
Most of the stabilization and structural macroeconomic variables worsened while the IMF program was in operation. Poverty and inequality increased. Continuous devaluation of Rupee against the dollar pushed up the prices of crude oil, machinery and other intermediate inputs imported by the domestic industry. Cut in public investment outlays slowed down economic activity. Unemployment increased. No Growth rate compared to the 80s under Zia regime.
you are such a beghairat stilldenying.
 
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@ziaulislam

You lie also, 2008 IMF program was Nawaz Govt.? It was Zardari that took $8 bn as standby arrangement .

Nawaz Govt. took $4.4 bn in 2013 which was extended fund facility.

All these IMF programs education budget was cut more than half. In 1994 IMF helped govt. cut 2.2% of education budget. One of the worst ever budget cuts.
Still IMF programs under PPP were failure and could'nt recover the loan. The IMF could only draw 60-70% from that govt.
Most of the stabilization and structural macroeconomic variables worsened while the IMF program was in operation. Poverty and inequality increased. Continuous devaluation of Rupee against the dollar pushed up the prices of crude oil, machinery and other intermediate inputs imported by the domestic industry. Cut in public investment outlays slowed down economic activity. Unemployment increased. No Growth rate compared to the 80s under Zia regime.
you are such a beghairat stilldenying.
I am not going to go into uneducated discussions..i am busy person, my shift is starting


You said yourself it was 7.8 STANDBY agreement the actual loan was just 4.8 b in PPPP era...

While nawaz had 4.2 extention..so it was around 9b for him...

IMF is going to ask you to do only TWO logical steps which are
1. Free statebank
2. fiscal deficit cutting to 4% of gdp i.e limit your loan per year to 1200 billion rupees,how is upto you

It will give its recommendations but its upto you how to achieve the above two points it would recommend plugging losses so you dont cut health etc which are state organization ..will ask you to increase revenues by taxes and utilities .

Now its upto you whether you want to cut military, education or health...its not their job to influence your domestic issues..they just want you to spend the amount of money you have and not to print money...

Now what govt does..cuts health spending but keeps infrasturue commission money running
 
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I can see few people on fire because of this news but it is over. :)

The very person who said we have crisis made you believe him and now you all are saying that we should not believe him lol. Dear trolls get a life. Our economy is going to boom now.
 
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I can see few people on fire because of this news but it is over. :)

The very person who said we have crisis made you believe him and now you all are saying that we should not believe him lol. Dear trolls get a life. Our economy is going to boom now.
The only thing that people need you understand that its their choices that have made the current situation worse..its not yahoodi agenda or IMF fault that you elect corrupt leaders ...

Balance of payment crisis is rare in other countries they usually have budgetary need/crisis..it happens in Pakistan because govt simply prints money, and than keeps rupee artificially high to keep a growth spike before an election

Had govt did corrective measures and not printed money 2 years ago today we would have lower growth ~4% but no CAD crisis

THE REASON WHY ASADUMAR STRESSES THAT KEEP STATE BANK INDEPENDENT
 
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