Pakistanis must learn the limits of military led counter-terrorism

[VCheng]

It sounds like a good approach, but exactly how can a government streamline media and juma congregations into one prescribed mainstream? Just what is is this "mainstream" and who gets to define it? Who declares deviations from this imposed "mainstream" and decides on punishment? What may work for media may not work for juma khutbas, and vice versa. And what if the "mainstream" is itself contributing to the problem instead of helping to solve it?

 

[Verve]

Controlling media houses is the easy bit.

As for loudspeaker control, this is where society needs to step in as well along with local governments who can assign people to monitor. Surely, liberals can also help by recording those khutbas and then reporting. A few people have been prosecuted so far for such hate speech.

Anyways, doubters abound. Strict instructions need to come from civilian governments. Rest will happen and such changes do not happen overnight.

 

[VCheng]

Controlling media houses is easy?

 

[Verve]

Yes, through legislation. Anyone who breaks the law, shut them down.

 

[VCheng]

What would such legislation say, given the plethora of useless regulations and laws already on the books that are not implemented or implementable?

 

[Verve]

What stopped GEO group and other media houses from airing interviews with TTP/BLA militant leaders?

Did British Media air any of the hardcore IRA fighters interviews like Pak media did? Only those in the mainstream politics were given any airtime.

As for what the legislation would say, that's a question for the legislators.

 

[VCheng]

Such media censorship never works in the long run. Never.

 

[Verve]

It worked for many countries including those that survived civil war like situation (like Malaysia).

When there is a crackdown on those elements spreading hatred in the society, and those promoting the extremists and terrorists agendas, here in this thread is a classic example of the liberal fascist apologists coming in their defence.

There was an article posted on PDF ('Mulliberals') within last two weeks, and this thread identifies such people.

 

[VCheng]

Crackdowns, by definition, are time-limited. Any society that cannot create the conditions necessary for a diversity of views to co-exist peacefully within a fair framework, will always remain at war with itself, and gets left behind on the the dust heap of history, unless it changes at that basic level.

 

[Verve]

Well you gave up and left, why not return and try bringing about that change instead of writing of doom scenarios thousands of miles away?

Problem is that you are extremely bitter (for whatever your reasons are) and have only criticism and questions to offer.

As for history, Pakistan is stronger than ever. We've survived 3 conventional wars against an enemy 7x larger and are surviving the 4th and 5th gen wars now as well. You need to broaden your thinking and avoid looking through the bitter glass you are wearing (not sure if it is by personal, forced or remuneration)!

 

[VCheng]

Try on the implications of just this chart for a small exercise in broad thinking:

 

[Verve]

Societies with large unemployments are easier to radicalise but that doesn't mean that such issues can't be resolved.

Keep promoting doom of Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

The issues can always be resolved - but only if the required effort is done, and in a coherent manner. Denying the real issues will never help in finding a solution.

 

[Verve]

The issues can always be resolved - but only if the required effort is done, and in a coherent manner. Denying the real issues will never help in finding a solution.

What you are doing is coherent?

You can even answer a direct and simple question!

 

[VCheng]

Even if CPEC is the grand success it is being claimed to be, it will provide only a few percent of the total number of jobs needed to absorb the millions upon millions of workers that will join the working population in the next decade. What will happen to radicalism then?