Pakistanis- How would describe Mr. Nawaz Sharif?

[Kaniska]

I'm looking for your opinions on where you think Mr. Sharif's ideology would best fit in.

I understand many of you dislike him or are frustrated with him But- if you were to define him on his ideology vs. record- would he more like a Republican or Democrat or middle of the road. How do you view him on his overall political ideology?

My perception of him as the old Nawaz I knew- is that he is a middle of the road politician, left leaning on international affairs, yet right leaning in terms of economic agenda . Can you help me understand what your feelings are about him?

How you would grade ( left/ right or center) on:

• Economy ( Pro business or Pro labor, Taxation policies, Spending vs.Cutting, Big government vs Private sector )
• Security ( hard handed or conciliatory )
• Foreign policy ( open to all governments, bold or conservative)
• Religiously ambiguous or prone to regional politics

To be honest...Pakistan and its political parties are corrupt to the core..It is just like other South Asian politician..But the good part of NS is particular is i see him, he has a definite vision and plan whatever he does within his tenure...After Benazir Bhutto, NS is the best available person to lead Pakistan....

 

[Viper0011.]

His economic policy has been compared to 'Bushonomics' a lot,though it isn't that good of a comparison, it should give an idea as to why people dislike it. Very ambitious, grand, 'megaprojects' and all but at the end, just fails to deliver.

Well then you seem to know more than the World Bank, Asian Development bank, IMF, every analyst and every media outlet combined. The only way NS can set up basis for a stronger democratic Pakistan is by massively changing his economic policy and letting the electoral investigation and reforms take place.

Wait....did you just tell the entire world that NS's Megaprojects .....fail to deliver? Let's see....the Motor Ways? The Water Reservoirs....the JF-17, the Metro Bus system (that your IK and others are copying, after having called it names), Cardiac and Medical Centers across the nation. Many Medical schools and other colleges across Punjab, the Solar, Hydro, Coal and other electric production engagements.....the $ 75 billion dollars investment (work already started on many projects in Pakistan on the Trade Route"......all these projects which will set the course of a modern, peaceful and terrorism free, and violence free Pakistan.....you keep calling "failed" for your political affiliations. Very sad.

This is a prime example when personal and ethnic political relations overtake the human brain, and a poor country and the future of 200 million people doesn't exist to you and your friends (majority of which are very poor).

Like I said, I am not a fan of his and he can do a lot of things better. But at the moment, he is the best chance your country has got and he is definitely making good on his promises to deliver. Which is why people like you are too busy marginalizing his credentials. Which is also why IK resorted to violence as he knew the term finishing up with so much progress will make it difficult for him to win. Sad, personal politics ruining an entire country.

The Worldbank and others can be found online. You can do the search. There is a thread RIGHT here on PDF, where they are talking about the Pakistani economy which has crossed the $ 250 Billion in GDP. I am sure that's also "rigging" in your opinion.

 

[TankMan]

Wait....did you just tell the entire world that NS's Megaprojects .....fail to deliver?

Yes, yes I did. Got a problem with that?

the Metro Bus system (that your IK and others are copying

The metro bus system was a disappointment, I'd seriously rather have the Bakery and Pharmacy (that was demolished) near Bhatti Chowk back instead of having to travel 5 miles further to get bread, which I didn't have to do before the metro bus took a dump in the middle of the whole road to Data Darbar.
Also, a little perspective.
The economics behind the Lahore Metro Bus Service – The Express Tribune Blog
And no, IK and KPK aren't copying it, their project is completely different. The only similarity between the two plans is that they're both buses.
Peshawar Mass Transit System | The Progress of PTI in KPK
Video: Asad Umar clarifying about metro bus project in KPK we are not going to build Metro Bus but Mass Transit Service for Peshawar There is big difference between Metro bus and Mass Transit Project ~ Frequency
Still, I wouldn't have minded this metro bus if there was electricity in my home, but there wasn't (and still isn't)

Cardiac and Medical Centers across the nation.

You mean like the ones that got over a hundred people killed with fake medicines?
Fake medicine: Unofficial death toll reaches 112 – The Express Tribune
(Punjab, during PMLN's provincial rule. PPP federal govt.)
The Rawalpindi hospital is good though, no major problems yet, admirable work there.

The Water Reservoirs

You mean Kalabagh and the ones that haven't even been built yet?

the JF-17

God, that's it, seals the deal. Shows how credible your arguments are.
The JF-17 has been in the making for a long time, but its current design was adapted in 2001, during Musharraf's rule. The most work, including prototypes and international co-operation, was done from 2001-2010, during Musharraf and Zardari's rule. A simple wikipedia search- CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - could tell you that, but here, some better sources for you:
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Liu Jianchao's press conference on May 16, 2006
Sino-Pakistani fighter flies - 9/9/2003 - Flight Global
Sino-Pakistani fighter improved
Sub-assembly of Thunder aircraft begins at Kamra - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
Look at the dates.
NS had absolutely zero significant participation in this, except sitting in one of the planes.

Many Medical schools and other colleges across Punjab, the Solar, Hydro, Coal and other electric production engagements

Source for all this (except PMLN's website)? Because loadshedding is getting worse practically every month, all that electric production would come in handy now.

the $ 75 billion dollars investment (work already started on many projects in Pakistan on the Trade Route".

Bullsh!t, pure bullshit. That 75 billion figure was from 2009, wishful thinking by PPP's (ZARDARI) government and the investment was SUPPOSED to be over FIVE years, I.e it should've ended in 2014. God knows whether it even started. HOPES, that's what it was. 5 YEAR OLD HOPES.
Govt hopes for $75 billion investment in five years - - DAWN.COM
Pakistan eyes $75 billion investment: minister
Published Aug 01, 2009
Lies.
Clearly lying like that, don't you have any shame? lakh di lanat, jhoota.

ethnic

My ethnicity and city of residence are both the same as NS. No ethnic issues here. The main problem is that I actually lived under most of NS's rule and know how well it really worked out for the people living there.

But at the moment, he is the best chance your country has got and he is definitely making good on his promises to deliver.

The fact that there is 12 hours loadshedding (during winter too - usually, it decreases during winter because no ACs and Fans are used) despite his promises to end it is just one of many things that prove this is a lie.

the future of 200 million people doesn't exist to you and your friends (majority of which are very poor).

Have you lived among those 200 million people? I have, for twenty years. Enough of this ad-hominem bull. Yeah right, my friends, who by the way are in Pakistan, along with the rest of my everything and not sitting six thousand miles away passing worthless comments like some self-righteous delusional.

You can't argue with me, you just can't, so you have to bring in my friends and my chacha and phoopar and everyone even though you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

The Worldbank and others can be found online. You can do the search. There is a thread RIGHT here on PDF, where they are talking about the Pakistani economy which has crossed the $ 250 Billion in GDP.

World bank? You mean the one that shows this graph, which I have presented to you before in response to your absurd 30% growth figure, and you conveniently ignored.

Pakistan | Data
http://www.worldbank.org/content/da...s/GEP2014a/Overview_SouthAsia_GEP_Jan2014.pdf
And no, it did not cross 250$ billion in GDP, as per the world bank - that figure is from the Pakistan state bank, world bank hasn't done a survey on that figure yet.

Also, lets add the Asian development bank for good measure:

Country and region specific forecasts and data
http://www.adb.org/sites/default/files/publication/43030/pak.pdf
Same statistics.

Its great if NS's policies are, in any way, working slowly - however, electoral reforms must be done. I wouldn't have a problem giving PMLN a third chance (sixth in Punjab) If I knew that the next elections would be fair. Without electoral reforms, the chances of that happening are very low.

I challenge you to answer one question: What is wrong with electoral reforms? Why do you and NS so vehemently oppose the improvement of Pakistan's electoral system, all while crying about democracy? Because that's seriously it, the main problem is that. If it wasn't for NS blocking the investigation over an year ago, IK would have no reason to protest at all.

Go ahead, run away from this argument too, like you did here, here, here, here, here, here and here.
I'll be devastating these arguments of yours everywhere you go on this forum. No escape.

 

[Faiez]

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Actually the 2014 + figures are just estimates...so....

Wait....did you just tell the entire world that NS's Megaprojects .....fail to deliver? Let's see....the Motor Ways? The Water Reservoirs....the JF-17, the Metro Bus system (that your IK and others are copying, after having called it names), Cardiac and Medical Centers across the nation. Many Medical schools and other colleges across Punjab, the Solar, Hydro, Coal and other electric production engagements.....the $ 75 billion dollars investment (work already started on many projects in Pakistan on the Trade Route"......all these projects which will set the course of a modern, peaceful and terrorism free, and violence free Pakistan.....you keep calling "failed" for your political affiliations. Very sad.

This is a prime example when personal and ethnic political relations overtake the human brain, and a poor country and the future of 200 million people doesn't exist to you and your friends (majority of which are very poor).

Like I said, I am not a fan of his and he can do a lot of things better. But at the moment, he is the best chance your country has got and he is definitely making good on his promises to deliver. Which is why people like you are too busy marginalizing his credentials. Which is also why IK resorted to violence as he knew the term finishing up with so much progress will make it difficult for him to win. Sad, personal politics ruining an entire country.

The Worldbank and others can be found online. You can do the search. There is a thread RIGHT here on PDF, where they are talking about the Pakistani economy which has crossed the $ 250 Billion in GDP. I am sure that's also "rigging" in your opinion.

Motorway:

-far too much money spent, the entire thing is still waaaay under utilized. At that time, there could have been much much much better places to invest.
-It almost bankrupted the country. That was a bad time for a great project.
-Average cost per mile of construction way higher than figures from other countries comparable to pakistan.

JF-17(and lets add itemy thamakay as well) :

-didn't help the poor guy. waste of funds.

Metro :

-Metro was a good project. But at that very time, when they were busy with these construction projects, they could have spent more on energy and less on this. And also should have avoided that nonsense laptop scheme and that taxi scheme (rs.25 billion project to provide 50,000 suzuki taxis) and many other useless schemes.

Power :

-Hydro, coal etc projects have been in the pipeline for almost a decade.
-the only significant project initiated by NS was the solar park.

Trade route :

-what trade route? lol

Pakistani economy crossing $250B :

-they interfered in the currency markets to devalue dollar. They have injected once or twice a total of something like $100M into the currency markets to keep the dollar low as soon as they came to federal power. The economy has crossed the rs.25 Trillion mark as was expected. But in terms of dollars, we can't really get an accurate picture, as the exchange rate is decided by the government. Currently the lowered dollar is badly hurting exports, so it's hurting pakistan's business right now. Our major export is textile and textile market is highly price competitive, pakistan could loose some good business if they keep dollar low like this.
- At a more realistic and sustainable rate of rs.108/dollar , the economy is less than $240B.

 

[SBD-3]

It must be kept in mind that ruling Pakistan is not as easy as it seems. As opossed to other countries Military still considers itself a dominant stakeholder in three major areas
1-National Security (internal+external).
2-Foreign Policy.
3-Political Dynamics.
Pakistan continues to see these conflicts and struggle for Space creating drags for civilan governments.
For example, COAS was the defecto foreign minister in PPP's era. Military effectively controlled the foriegn policy where she had financial (US) or strategic (Afghanistab,India,China) interests. NS came in power with an illusion that Military can be taimed and these policies should be driven by the civilans, not military. However, what started out as a mistrust between his and military leadership resulted ultimately in teaching him a fitting lesson by jamming Islamabad in the name of revolution. Resultantly, some unwrittren rules were understood. COAS restarted the independent dealing with US over CSF, Af-Pak and military aid. COAS was the one who recieved Afghan President and the one to meet him after Peshawar incident. Pakistan halted her initatives and started to match the cold shoulder policy of India towards bilatral issues. So its impossible for any civilian government to be in complete command of FP.

 

[Leader]

I'm looking for your opinions on where you think Mr. Sharif's ideology would best fit in.

I understand many of you dislike him or are frustrated with him But- if you were to define him on his ideology vs. record- would he more like a Republican or Democrat or middle of the road. How do you view him on his overall political ideology?

My perception of him as the old Nawaz I knew- is that he is a middle of the road politician, left leaning on international affairs, yet right leaning in terms of economic agenda . Can you help me understand what your feelings are about him?

How you would grade ( left/ right or center) on:

• Economy ( Pro business or Pro labor, Taxation policies, Spending vs.Cutting, Big government vs Private sector )
• Security ( hard handed or conciliatory )
• Foreign policy ( open to all governments, bold or conservative)
• Religiously ambiguous or prone to regional politics

he is brainless twat. a sinkhole who is eating up national wealth. he is the most corrupt and dishonest person in Pakistan. building his empire across the globe.

p.s. he has no say in most matters, zero in foreign policy.

 

[RescueRanger]

Jeddah's man in Awan -E - Saddar.

 

[livingdead]

Seasoned, well rounded, business friendly politicians... bit corrupt(who is not?) but good for pakistan overall.

 

[graphican]

I am an ex-PMLN voter who have cast votes thrice and 66% I voted for PMLN but here is my honest opinion about Mian Mohammad Nawaz Shareef, Prime Minister of Pakistan.

• Nawaz Shareef is a problem solver who believes solution lies in taking all or nothing.
• An honest person who thinks being Mr. 2% is better than 10%.
• A person who would stand for Pakistan but would sell it for Sugar or Textile Quota.
• A person who believes in God and that he is on the right path, but being on the right path still means to murder a few cause you have to stay on the right path.
• A person who is honest but thinks it is okay to be dishonest before his honesty starts. Few wrongs are permissible before you actually do one one right.
• A person who believes people who are sincere with him are the most capable and suitable people for the jobs in the country.
• A person who is rich and knows rest of the country is poor, thus the only thing they need is money and without planning, strategy and wisdom, throwing money at the will solve all the problems.
• A person who believes human satisfaction and happiness lies in having one well-fed bone in the body and rest of the skeleton may still starve.
• A person who believes political wisdom lies with Zardari and he has something to learn from him.
• A brave person who will live and die for Pakistan but imprisonment is a bit too much to offer or bare for it.