Pakistani Nationalism - contradictions?

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan was ideologically

What is the ideology and behind -

• USA
• Canada

 

[Yankee-stani]

Even India has thousands of years of experience as an empire. Iran to the east and Afghanistan to the north ruled today's Pakistan for hundreds of years. When generational slaves suddenly become independent, they can't be expected to form a national identity overnight! Pakistan was ideologically a very risky political experiment of history. And it failed spectacularly.[/QUOTE]

Modern India was built by the British, the whole history and narrative told by the Gangas is a lie and clever PR stunt by Bollywood,academics paid off by their lobbying and sadly Pakistan does not do anything to counter this lie the Brits unified India as a unit

What is the ideology and behind -

• USA
• Canada

Canada up until the mid 20th century was a British Domain with a French Canadian minority in Quebec America was WASP land until like the early 20th century then the Irish,Italians,J..ws and what not came changed the dynamics of the USA

 

[Norwegian]

No. When. Where? Cobblers ...

List of largest empires in India

 

[Nefarious]

I don't think its that complicated. I think it's fair to say Pakistan will speak up for the 50 until it comes to China as overstepping that mark may result in an action likened to shooting one self in the foot.

Then it might not live to carry the 50 as China is a major support beam. I think it's wise decision.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

List of largest empires in Indi

Wikipedia. Great. So your entire source of history is a open source where any dick can change the contents. Furthermore when it says 'India' might it be in the sense of Scandanavia, Balkans, Maghreb, Iberia, Indochina etc

 

[Yankee-stani]

I don't think its that complicated. I think it's fair to say Pakistan will speak up for the 50 until it comes to China as overstepping that mark may result in an action likened to shooting one self in the foot.

Then it might not live to carry the 50 as China is a major support beam. I think it's wise decision.

Well China has not drone striked the shit outta of us respected our territory while cough cough Yanks never did only when they needed us we were given fair treatment so China or the PRC has been cordial or nice to us unlike Afghanistan, cough cough cough Gangaland or Yankeeland

Wikipedia. Great. So your entire source of history is a open source where any dick can change the contents. Furthermore when it says 'India' might it be in the sense of Scandanavia, Balkans, Maghreb, Iberia, Indochina etc

Wont be suprised if Ganga is IT admin on that page

 

[Nefarious]

Well China has not drone striked the shit outta of us respected our territory while cough cough Yanks never did only when they needed us we were given fair treatment so China or the PRC has been cordial or nice to us unlike Afghanistan, cough cough cough Gangaland or Yankeeland



Wont be suprised if Ganga is IT admin on that page

Look at it this way, China extending hand to Pakistan on multiple fronts has helped if not saved many Muslims.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Look at it this way, China extending hand to Pakistan on multiple fronts has helped if not saved many Muslims.

 

[M. Sarmad]

If Pakistan nationalism is primarily based around Islam can anybody explain to me it differantiates from 50 other countries? How can one state represent Muslims when they number 1.8 billion and are spread in 50 countries?

Pakistani nationalist ideology is very unique, and (for the Pakistani Muslims at least) Pakistani Nationalism and Islam are not mutually exclusive ...


During the struggle for the freedom(and even today), the most important issue which concerned Muslim Scholars and political activists was about the national and religious identity of Indian Muslims and their position in the future India ...


Hussain Ahmed Madani (The Rector of Darul Uloom Deoband) and many others advocated "Composite Nationalism", (i.e. despite cultural, linguistic and religious differences, the people of India were but one nation). The proponents of composite nationalism believed/argued that this idea was consistent with the teachings of the Holy Quran and that the Prophet (PBUH) himself had set a practical example of Composite Nationalism when he signed the Constitution of Medina (Meesaq-e-Medina)



Then there were those who advocated the idea of "Muslim Nationalism in India" ... This idea formed the basis of the Two Nation Theory ... This idea/theory implies/implied that We were Muslims before being Indian ... And We were Indian before being (Non-Indian) Muslim ... This theory created and propounded by modernist and reformist Muslims (like Sir Syed) was inspired by Western Political Theories (of John Lock, Thomas Paine, Milton etc.).... It in a way advocated a Pan-Islamism that was restricted by geographical boundaries of the Nation state (of India, and now Pakistan).


And there were others (like Maududi) who were of the view that neither Composite Nationalism nor Muslim Nationalism were Islamic in their orientation, therefore, they warned the Muslims of the sub-continent to be beware of both.


In the end, the Two Nation Theory prevailed.... This theory was a blend of Islamic teachings and western political concepts.... Aligarian educated Muslims flirted with modern western political ideas .... As Jaun Elia once said "Pakistan Aligarh k laundon ki sharart ka naam hai"

 

[Yankee-stani]

Pakistani nationalist ideology is very unique, and (for the Pakistani Muslims at least) Pakistani Nationalism and Islam are not mutually exclusive ...


During the struggle for the freedom(and even today), the most important issue which concerned Muslim Scholars and political activists was about the national and religious identity of Indian Muslims and their position in the future India ...


Hussain Ahmed Madani (The Rector of Darul Uloom Deoband) and many others advocated "Composite Nationalism", (i.e. despite cultural, linguistic and religious differences, the people of India were but one nation). The proponents of composite nationalism believed/argued that this idea was consistent with the teachings of the Holy Quran and that the Prophet (PBUH) himself had set a practical example of Composite Nationalism when he signed the Constitution of Medina (Meesaq-e-Medina)



Then there were those who advocated the idea of "Muslim Nationalism in India" ... This idea formed the basis of the Two Nation Theory ... This idea/theory implies/implied that We were Muslims before being Indian ... And We were Indian before being (Non-Indian) Muslim ... This theory created and propounded by modernist and reformist Muslims (like Sir Syed) was inspired by Western Political Theories (of John Lock, Thomas Paine, Milton etc.).... It in a way advocated a Pan-Islamism that was restricted by geographical boundaries of the Nation state (of India, and now Pakistan).


And there were others (like Maududi) who were of the view that neither Composite Nationalism nor Muslim Nationalism were Islamic in their orientation, therefore, they warned the Muslims of the sub-continent to be beware of both.


In the end, the Two Nation Theory prevailed.... This theory was a blend of Islamic teachings and western political concepts.... Aligarian educated Muslims flirted with modern western political ideas .... As Jon Elia once said "Pakistan Aligarh k laundon ki sharart ka naam hai"

I hold Maududi resposible for causing the clerics and the mullahism plague to go outta of control in Pakistan in the 1970s

 

[313ghazi]

Okay people. Have a look at this map below. It shows the 50 odd Muslim majority countries in the world. That is about quarter of the globe and over 1.8 billion Muslims.There are huge number of Muslim minorities in most countries of the world but for simplicity let us just stick with the Muslim majority countries which number about fifty.

As you can see the 50 Muslim majority countries are coloured green and cover almost every continent and almost all races of man. Pakistan is just one of them. Yes Pakistan is just one of 50.

If Pakistan nationalism is primarily based around Islam can anybody explain to me it differantiates from 50 other countries? How can one state represent Muslims when they number 1.8 billion and are spread in 50 countries?

Can people see the contradiction in the yellow patch [Pakistan] trying to be the contractor for all 50 Muslim countries? And trying to define it's nationalism around something that is spread in 50 countries? How does that work? Can the tiny yellow patch own a identity as it's own that actually belongs to 50 green patches?

In short how can a identity owned by 50 be claimed exclusively by one?

@OsmanAli98 @Nilgiri @MultaniGuy etc

Silly question to ask. We never claimed exclusivity over it, or limited our identity to our religion. We don't claim to represent anyone other than those within our borders (and Kashmir which we consider as being in our borders).

What is it with you? Every few weeks the same question. I'm not judging, please don't take my post the wrong way. I'm just not sure if your wanting an answer, or wanting to deliver a sermon.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I hold Maududi resposible for causing the clerics and the mullahism plague to go outta of control in Pakistan in the 1970s

Much earlier, in 1949, when the Constituent Assembly passed Objectives Resolution; a perfect anti-thesis of Jinnah's vision, our fate was sealed. All that happened later on was the logical consequence of the illogical choice we made.

And yes, Maududi; the arch rival of Jinnah and Pakistan Movement, was the man behind Objectives Resolution.

Maududi (In February 1948, while addressing the Law College, Lahore) demanded that :

The sovereignty of the state of Pakistan vests in God Almighty and that the government of Pakistan shall be only an agent to execute the Sovereign's Will.

And all existing or future legislation which may contravene, whether in letter or in spirit, the Islamic Shariah shall be null and void and be considered ultra vires of the constitution;


Now read the Objectives Resolution and you will understand that what Sris Chandra Chattopadhyaya meant when he said: "What I hear in this (Objectives) Resolution is not the voice of the great creator of Pakistan - the Quaid-i-Azam, nor even that of the Prime Minister of Pakistan the Honorable Mr. Liaquat Ali Khan, but of the Ulema of the land."


... The Mullahs had successfully hijacked Pakistan shortly after its creation. Rest is history

 

[Norwegian]

What is the ideology and behind -

• USA
• Canada

Simple. Secular nationalism same as India, Israel and the rest of Europe.

 

[Nilgiri]

What is the ideology and behind -

• USA
• Canada

USA = Kicking the crown out of North America.
Canada = Keeping the crown in North America.

(Originally)

 

[Yankee-stani]

Much earlier, in 1949, when the Constituent Assembly passed Objectives Resolution; a perfect anti-thesis of Jinnah's vision, our fate was sealed. All that happened later on was the logical consequence of the illogical choice we made.

And yes, Maududi; the arch rival of Jinnah and Pakistan Movement, was the man behind Objectives Resolution.

Maududi (In February 1948, while addressing the Law College, Lahore) demanded that :

The sovereignty of the state of Pakistan vests in God Almighty and that the government of Pakistan shall be only an agent to execute the Sovereign's Will.

And all existing or future legislation which may contravene, whether in letter or in spirit, the Islamic Shariah shall be null and void and be considered ultra vires of the constitution;


Now read the Objectives Resolution and you will understand that what Sris Chandra Chattopadhyaya meant when he said: "What I hear in this (Objectives) Resolution is not the voice of the great creator of Pakistan - the Quaid-i-Azam, nor even that of the Prime Minister of Pakistan the Honorable Mr. Liaquat Ali Khan, but of the Ulema of the land."


... The Mullahs had successfully hijacked Pakistan shortly after its creation. Rest is history

Nice drive by history but I think the Mullahs got more powerful in the 1970s when Bhutto and his cough cough left wing PPP made deals with them

USA = Kicking the crown out of North America.
Canada = Keeping the crown in North America.

(Originally)

Canada kept the crown way until like 1982 lol USA kicked out the crown but the Anglo American culture would last through out the 1800s and early 1900s then the Irish,Italians,J..ws,Slavs and what not came also you had the Ulster Scots down South which became the Southerners