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Pakistani Liberals: Anarchists Of Our Age?

:laughcry:He's definitely not the most manly of people.

:angry:Still annoyed with his pic of me though. It's a bit old, doesn't even have any of my tattoos or other cosmetic changes like my hair:angry:. And those pants:o:.

We're having a "talk:pleasantry:" about my public image later.

:butcher:

But we talked on gmail too and he showed me some recent photos of you guys too ! :unsure:
 
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He didn't ask you first ? :o:

He should've ! :tsk:

:lol:

True, but so long as it's nothing too "bad" I really don't mind too much. I Facebook him all the time, he's not on Facebook:haha:. Pinterest and Instagram too:yay:.

It's kind of a thing with us, we keep our relationship lighthearted, but both know what boundaries are off limits. I'll have him show me the picture(s) when he gets back from the market. I trust him though:wub:.

Don't worry too much, you're hardly in trouble.

:ashamed:

I like the attention anyways.
 
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Take my pounds from me....please ! :argh:
I am 10 kgs underweight, that is 22 pounds I guess. And I wish that was possible, but sadly right now all that can be done is IV lines and lots of stupid "vanilla" flavoured supplements. But on the bright side I can go from being a doctor to teaching human anatomy, I am a walking skeleton
 
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Moeed pirzada is THE MAN I was waiting for someone to call out the hypocrite pseudo liberals for what they are and this guy just nailed it.
 
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I have been following Moeed Pirzada for a long time now, and have observed very interesting changes in his writing & way of understanding the matters. I really appreciate his unique and very balanced opinion which is very different from the rest of Pakistani media journos.

To conclude, he criticizes the society, from the perspective of a common Pakistan who is neither liberal nor Mullah.

Is that Tariq Jameel in your profile picture?

Nope
 
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we are anarchists ok but mullahs of age zombies monsters and worst animals they destroyed whole muslim world, rivers of blood is moving by mullahs
 
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People here are assuming too much and reading too little. Honestly most posters here seem like they just read the title and started typing enraged comments in some sort of knee-jerk reaction.

For example, assuming that by criticizing certain people who call themselves liberals, Moeed Pirzada is rationalizing, justifying or otherwise supporting religious extremists. He is not.
+1 to @Armstrong 's point on this matter:
Furthermore this chronically impudent habit of thinking that criticizing A must by default mean that you are rationalizing B should stop for it reeks of petulance and little more.

Why do we need to side with an extreme at all?
Besides, isn't criticism and freedom of speech part of liberalism in the first place?

Another point people in this thread seem to be missing is that this article is not criticizing Liberals in general. It is criticizing Pakistani Liberals. The author even creates a clear distinction between Pakistani and Western Liberals
Western liberals exist by the strength of their ideas, intrinsically linked with their social orders and derive legitimacy from the organic growth of their history; Pakistani counterparts exist in a social void, like planted proxies, divorced from their realities and merely deriving strength from western organisations.
I prefer using a more blunt term, 'pseudo-Liberals', to refer to the people he's talking about. Because the fact is that these Liberals are only that in name - a Liberal is by definition ''willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own''. The pseudo-Liberals are, otherwise, very intolerant of many perfectly rational ideas, arguments, people and things in general and adhere more to a different kind of conservatism and political view instead of Liberalism.

This article raises many such valid points, especially the part about the geopolitical use of 'liberal' movements and NGOs to aid Western foreign policy:
This contrast became all the more interesting when during this period student protests erupted in Hong Kong against China. In terms of size, scope, and nature of demands or level of violence or highhandedness by authorities the student protests in Hong Kong were a puny affair as compared to the political movement erupting in Pakistan. But the interest and frenzied sympathy of international media and all human right organizations and NGO’s was spectacular. If a proof was needed that how western human right organizations and NGO’s operate in the larger context of western foreign policy interests and biases then it was it. In Hong Kong building pressure on China was needed, in Pakistan status quo delivered by 2013 elections was required so Nawaz government had to be supported and rescued.
And the Shafqat Hussain drama was clearly an attempt to undermine the entire death penalty, Anti-Terror Courts and
Military courts.

Another very good point he made was this:
ideas of one age or space have to be transliterated into another age or space for these to have any meaning.
This is similar to an analogy Hassan Nisar was using recently. He said that when a poor person buys used clothes for himself, he has to alter and tailor them to fit him - similarly, when a developing country like Pakistan adopts a western system like Democracy, it has to modify it to fit the country's needs, which are very different from those of Western nations.
Video link (the part I am talking about is from 11:53 and onwards)

Here, the author summarizes this entire idea in one word, 'transliterate', but the concept is still equally valid and important.

Sure, these Liberals don't blow themselves up - but their misguided actions can actually result in other people, more likely to blow themselves up, to be set free and given the opportunity to do that. (I am referring to their opposition of the death penalty and how terrorists tend to escape from jails)

I do agree, however, that conservative religious extremists are an infinitely bigger problem than these liberals.

Liberals aren't even microscopic if we were to compare them, in terms of how problematic they are, with extremist terrorists. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss and criticize the former just because the latter exists.

As I understand him to be: He is saying that the so-called Liberals in Pakistan are a mirror image of the Conservatives (not the Radicals) in many ways. Both are absolutely sure of the righteousness of their cause and the utter wrongness of that of others, neither have acquired their ideas organically through careful introspection and the contextualization of various principles that man has come up with to our society and conditions, both suffer from selective amnesia on one hand and the innate desire to rationalize away their inconvenient facts of choice and both are, ironically enough for liberals, extreme, utterly inflexible and hardly accommodating of dissent !
Very well summarized.
@SipahSalar here's your TL;DR version.
 
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People here are assuming too much and reading too little. Honestly most posters here seem like they just read the title and started typing enraged comments in some sort of knee-jerk reaction.

For example, assuming that by criticizing certain people who call themselves liberals, Moeed Pirzada is rationalizing, justifying or otherwise supporting religious extremists. He is not.
+1 to @Armstrong 's point on this matter:


Why do we need to side with an extreme at all?
Besides, isn't criticism and freedom of speech part of liberalism in the first place?

Another point people in this thread seem to be missing is that this article is not criticizing Liberals in general. It is criticizing Pakistani Liberals. The author even creates a clear distinction between Pakistani and Western Liberals

I prefer using a more blunt term, 'pseudo-Liberals', to refer to the people he's talking about. Because the fact is that these Liberals are only that in name - a Liberal is by definition ''willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own''. The pseudo-Liberals are, otherwise, very intolerant of many perfectly rational ideas, arguments, people and things in general and adhere more to a different kind of conservatism and political view instead of Liberalism.

This article raises many such valid points, especially the part about the geopolitical use of 'liberal' movements and NGOs to aid Western foreign policy:

And the Shafqat Hussain drama was clearly an attempt to undermine the entire death penalty, Anti-Terror Courts and
Military courts.

Another very good point he made was this:

This is similar to an analogy Hassan Nisar was using recently. He said that when a poor person buys used clothes for himself, he has to alter and tailor them to fit him - similarly, when a developing country like Pakistan adopts a western system like Democracy, it has to modify it to fit the country's needs, which are very different from those of Western nations.
Video link (the part I am talking about is from 11:53 and onwards)

Here, the author summarizes this entire idea in one word, 'transliterate', but the concept is still equally valid and important.

Sure, these Liberals don't blow themselves up - but their misguided actions can actually result in other people, more likely to blow themselves up, to be set free and given the opportunity to do that. (I am referring to their opposition of the death penalty and how terrorists tend to escape from jails)

I do agree, however, that conservative religious extremists are an infinitely bigger problem than these liberals.

Liberals aren't even microscopic if we were to compare them, in terms of how problematic they are, with extremist terrorists. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss and criticize the former just because the latter exists.


Very well summarized.
@SipahSalar here's your TL;DR version.
He just exposed lies and fraud of western funded liberals
 
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He just exposed lies and fraud of western funded liberals
Why are you replying in a western liberal language? Why are you using western liberal's technology to post on this site?
 
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Anarchist? They blow up? Or trying to enforce their ideas on gunpoint?

What exactly does the idea of "both mullahs and liberals are same and opposite ends of spectrum" hold up on?

Taliban will blow up your body and liberals will blow up your souls. Both are hell dwellers
 
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Why are you replying in a western liberal language? Why are you using western liberal's technology to post on this site?
Your post shows you have no idea about Islam
 
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