Pakistan will Unite Afghanistan and its Pasthun's in the distant future

[Taimoor Khan]

If you have punjab phobia then divide Pakistan in 20 provinces on basis of population instead of integrating mulak dushman hazrat which will destroy fabric of Pakistan.

Where did I give any impression that I have "Punjab Phobia"? I am pointing to a ground reality, and this is exactly what happened in last election where the noora solely focused on winning Punjab by hook and crook and formed government in center. This is a very dangerous trend where there is no leadership which can claim to represent the whole nation. And yes more provinces on the basis of population with equal amount of seats in parliament is the way forward, which in turn will force all the political leadership to work in every corner of Pakistan to get votes and seats, if they want to form government in the center.

 

[Kabira]

Where did I give any impression that I have "Punjab Phobia"? I am pointing to a ground reality, and this is exactly what happened in last election where the noora solely focused on winning Punjab by hook and crook and formed government in center. This is a very dangerous trend where there is no leadership which can claim to represent the whole nation. And yes more provinces on the basis of population with equal amount of seats in parliament is the way forward, which in turn will force all the political leadership to work in every corner of Pakistan to get votes and seats, if they want to form government in the center.

PPP in 2008 won quite a bit less seats then N in 2013 yet they formed federal government. Demographics of this country will not change, certainly not with afghanis.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

PPP in 2008 won quite a bit less seats then N in 2013 yet they formed federal government. Demographics of this country will not change, certainly not with afghanis.

Its a fact that to form government at center, one must perform in Punjab, its a no brainier. That is the reason PTI spend most of its energies in Punjab and not so much in Sindh during last election.

I guess you are right about the demography. Just checked the figures of Pakhtoon population across the durand line and its is only 13M.

 

[TMA]

Ignore Pasthunistan map which i posted ,It just gives rough idea to the territories Pakistan will likely get.




That's great ,but unfortunately we're trying our best to seal the borders and it seems to be failing since the last decade.
One episode after another of terrorist attacks and every operation evolves into another one.
They were thinking that za'azb was the last one but now its ra'ad ul fasad.
The People on other side of the fence are if not similar equally talented to the Pakistani Pasthuns,With little education these people can reach mars.
Many of Afghans are majority herdsmen in the country-side ,You can tell them to go join up Pakistan and they be happy to do it since most of them are sick with the whole taliban and Government fiasco.


I agree with you but trillions of natural resources do exist in Afghanistan.
for Pakistan forget the resources and focus on other issues apart from that like.

• Constant cross border terrorism,Hugely increasing influence and financing of Anti-Pakistan groups that target Pakistani cities ,starting from APS you name it.

Pakistan's economy is self-sustaining and can do much better without terrorism and this problem will continue to emanate from Afghanistan in the coming decades until we take the giants step and stop indian and foreign involvement in Afghanistan which is creating the so called "War on terror" which is nothign but a proxy war.


Most afghans also consider the American's and others as infidels responsible for all the mess in their country.
Its just you guys interact with the special breed of afghans on the internet who are nothing but those that carry the same animosity towards Pakistan like the Governments of the past that attacked our territories wanting to annex KP.
The average Pushtun afghan is 60-70 percent favorable of Pakistan because according to them Pakistan has always extended their help but its just the other 10% of the newer generation that blames Pakistan just because of their own frustration with the civil war with Taliban.

Pakistan can develop long term policies which can increase our perception in the Afghan minds.
WE must all understand that we don't live in Europe ,that gift we don't have .
So we must look into our own region and its problems.
The afghan pasthuns can be easily integrated into Pakistan and their newer generation will remember the "Civil war" just a thing in the history books and grow up to be Patriotic Pakistanis.
The current Pushtoons in our country are the same ones on the other side, In-fact Pushtoons are also one of the poorest ethnic groups in the country ,Go to the provincial capital in Peshawar and take a look at the slums.
Yet we don't have a ethnic problem in Pakistan apart from a episode or two.

Afghans cannot be integrated into Afghanistan let alone Pakistan. Let Pakistan concentrate on herself first and foremost.

I believe Pakistan should purchase and integrate wakhan corridor into KPK. Other than that there is no need to have a huge chunk of land that have people who had been constantly brainwashed against Pakistan and result is their hatred against Pakistan.

Even FATA is pretty much ahead of Afghanistan, forget about KPK which have tons of proper cities such as Mardan, Peshawar, Kohat, Bannu, Naushera, Swat, etc.

Afghanistan will not sell it.

 

[MomandKhan]

If the Tajik, Uzbak, Hazara etc hate Pakistan then you can easily multiply that hate by 100 to get the feeling Pashtuns have for Pakistan.

If anything Pakistan has United Afghans more along ethnic lines then ever. Now we have a common enemy.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

If the Tajik, Uzbak, Hazara etc hate Pakistan then you can easily multiply that hate by 100 to get the feeling Pashtuns have for Pakistan.

If anything Pakistan has United Afghans more along ethnic lines then ever. Now we have a common enemy.

There are 40 million Pakhtoons in Pakistan who are diehard patriots of Pakistan. Afghan Pakhtoons are only about 13 million. Either get assimilated in Pakistan as part of already vibrant Pakhtoon population here or keep on banging your head against the wall, and be part of India strategy to fight Pakistan to the last Afghan. We are not going anywhere, if you are ok to be made sacrificial lambs on behalf of India, we can play this game to its logical conclusion.

 

[MomandKhan]

There are 40 million Pakhtoons in Pakistan who are diehard patriots of Pakistan. Afghan Pakhtoons are only about 13 million. Either get assimilated in Pakistan as part of already vibrant Pakhtoon population here or keep on banging your head against the wall, and be part of India strategy to fight Pakistan to the last Afghan. We are not going anywhere, if you are ok to be made sacrificial lambs on behalf of India, we can play this game to its logical conclusion.

Are you serious hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
Wake up of your dream. You have an unstable country that is more divided across ethnic lines then Afghanistan. You already lost Bangladesh. Kashmir is a lost cause. Balochis hate you. 40 millions Pashtuns are die hard Pakistanis hahaha I don't think there are so many Gul Khans.

We would rather happily die then be called Pakistanis. LOL.

There are 40 million Pakhtoons in Pakistan who are diehard patriots of Pakistan. Afghan Pakhtoons are only about 13 million. Either get assimilated in Pakistan as part of already vibrant Pakhtoon population here or keep on banging your head against the wall, and be part of India strategy to fight Pakistan to the last Afghan. We are not going anywhere, if you are ok to be made sacrificial lambs on behalf of India, we can play this game to its logical conclusion.

I am forced to make another post because your Idea does not make any sense.

So we have a country named Afghanistan. Basically named after our ethnicity. National Language is Pashto. School etc. are in Pashto language. National anthem is in Pashto. The President is Pashtun. And we are biggest ethnic group in our country and we must give all that up to join Pakistan(A third world country that we can easily access and that does not really offer anything more then we are already used to) to become a minority with the biggest ethnic group 3-4 times our size. Our language we be demoted. Culture be demoted.. etc.

Bro I don't want to talk Pashto like a Gul Khan, please.

 

[Kabira]

If the Tajik, Uzbak, Hazara etc hate Pakistan then you can easily multiply that hate by 100 to get the feeling Pashtuns have for Pakistan.

If anything Pakistan has United Afghans more along ethnic lines then ever. Now we have a common enemy.

Agreed, I don't think hazatas, tajiks, uzbeks hate Pakistan. They don't know or care about Pakistan before we supported afghani pakhtun militants in civil war. Its afghani pakhtun communist leadership who hated Pakistan since 47. But Pakistan have punished them enough and now I don't agree with @Taimoor Khan about playing games with afghanis.

Now ideal solution is to fence border and let afghanis deal with their own issues instead of supporting any faction. Unless ofcourse they start to support any anti-state group in Pakistan like before soviet invasion, in that case it will be fair game to punish them again.

 

[IceCold]

And we are biggest ethnic group in our country and we must give all that up to join Pakistan(A third world country that we can easily access and that does not really offer anything more then we are already used to) to become a minority with the biggest ethnic group 3-4 times our size.

You sound as if Afghanistan is 1st class developed country. And before you even talk about your Pashtun president, let me ask you how much of Afghanistan is actually under this Pashtun president?
Here let me help you out here:
According to SIGAR, the Afghan government controls or influences just 52 percent of the nation’s districts today compared to 72 percent in Nov. 2015.

“SIGAR’s analysis of the most recent data provided by US Forces in Afghanistan (USFOR-A) suggests that the security situation in Afghanistan has not improved this quarter,” the watchdog group noted in its most recent assessment of the country. “The numbers of the Afghan security forces are decreasing, while both casualties and the number of districts under insurgent control or influence are increasing.”

“[T]he ANDSF [Afghan National Defense and Security Forces] has not yet been capable of securing all of Afghanistan and has lost territory to the insurgency,” since the last reporting period. The Afghan government has lost control of more than six percent of Afghanistan’s 407 districts since SIGAR issued its last report, on Oct. 30.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi...ment-has-lost-territory-to-the-insurgency.php
This is the country you are boasting about. On the other hand this third world country actually controls every bit of its territory, terrorism and terrorist are reduced and on the run and foreign investment is coming in as are development projects increasing. With CPEC going in full swing it is only going to multiply.
As for the topic no Pakistan has no need to unite hell hole like Afghanistan and inherit all its problems. We just need to close the border like it is now and keep Afghans as far from it as possible.
And for the easy excess part, if you did not read the writing on the wall, than let me tell you those days when Afghans enjoyed our hospitality and come and go as they please are long gone. It should be clear by now that Pakistanis have had enough with this crap and there will be no free lunches as was the case previously.

 

[Kabira]

You sound as if Afghanistan is 1st class developed country. And before you even talk about your Pashtun president, let me ask you how much of Afghanistan is actually under this Pashtun president?
Here let me help you out here:
According to SIGAR, the Afghan government controls or influences just 52 percent of the nation’s districts today compared to 72 percent in Nov. 2015.

“SIGAR’s analysis of the most recent data provided by US Forces in Afghanistan (USFOR-A) suggests that the security situation in Afghanistan has not improved this quarter,” the watchdog group noted in its most recent assessment of the country. “The numbers of the Afghan security forces are decreasing, while both casualties and the number of districts under insurgent control or influence are increasing.”

“[T]he ANDSF [Afghan National Defense and Security Forces] has not yet been capable of securing all of Afghanistan and has lost territory to the insurgency,” since the last reporting period. The Afghan government has lost control of more than six percent of Afghanistan’s 407 districts since SIGAR issued its last report, on Oct. 30.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi...ment-has-lost-territory-to-the-insurgency.php
This is the country you are boasting about. On the other hand this third world country actually controls every bit of its territory, terrorism and terrorist are reduced and on the run and foreign investment is coming in as are development projects increasing. With CPEC going in full swing it is only going to multiply.
As for the topic no Pakistan has no need to unite hell hole like Afghanistan and inherit all its problems. We just need to close the border like it is now and keep Afghans as far from it as possible.
And for the easy excess part, if you did not read the writing on the wall, than let me tell you those days when Afghans enjoyed our hospitality and come and go as they please are long gone. It should be clear by now that Pakistanis have had enough with this crap and there will be no free lunches as was the case previously.

Pakistan supported militant afghani pakhtuns in civil war. If some pakhtun leader in Kabul try to improve relations between both countries, USA backed ANA/Tajiks etc who now have more power in Kabul will not allow it. Ghani tried it but soon failed because he was accused of being Taliban. This is why Pakistanis shouldn't really expect afghani pakhtun politicians to be pro Pakistan because of Pakistani pakhtuns. They have to live with afghani tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras in Afghanistan.

Anyone in Afghanistan who talk about improving relations is considered Taliban. This is main reason Pakistan want Afghanis to go back as soon as possible. Pakistan clearly knows relations will not improve in near future.

 

[MomandKhan]

You sound as if Afghanistan is 1st class developed country. And before you even talk about your Pashtun president, let me ask you how much of Afghanistan is actually under this Pashtun president?
Here let me help you out here:
According to SIGAR, the Afghan government controls or influences just 52 percent of the nation’s districts today compared to 72 percent in Nov. 2015.

“SIGAR’s analysis of the most recent data provided by US Forces in Afghanistan (USFOR-A) suggests that the security situation in Afghanistan has not improved this quarter,” the watchdog group noted in its most recent assessment of the country. “The numbers of the Afghan security forces are decreasing, while both casualties and the number of districts under insurgent control or influence are increasing.”

“[T]he ANDSF [Afghan National Defense and Security Forces] has not yet been capable of securing all of Afghanistan and has lost territory to the insurgency,” since the last reporting period. The Afghan government has lost control of more than six percent of Afghanistan’s 407 districts since SIGAR issued its last report, on Oct. 30.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi...ment-has-lost-territory-to-the-insurgency.php
This is the country you are boasting about. On the other hand this third world country actually controls every bit of its territory, terrorism and terrorist are reduced and on the run and foreign investment is coming in as are development projects increasing. With CPEC going in full swing it is only going to multiply.
As for the topic no Pakistan has no need to unite hell hole like Afghanistan and inherit all its problems. We just need to close the border like it is now and keep Afghans as far from it as possible.
And for the easy excess part, if you did not read the writing on the wall, than let me tell you those days when Afghans enjoyed our hospitality and come and go as they please are long gone. It should be clear by now that Pakistanis have had enough with this crap and there will be no free lunches as was the case previously.

As I said there is absolutely ZIRO value for us to join Pakistan. We have our own identity, history, culture, language and we are very proud people. If you absolutely want to unite Pashtuns then the Pakistani ones must emerge with Afghanistan. They have historically been part of our country. We share history, culture, religion and basically we are one ethnicity. In Afghanistan we would be in absolute majority and dominate in every field.

 

[Blue Marlin]

basically annex Afghanistan.

 

[MomandKhan]

Pakistan supported militant afghani pakhtuns in civil war. If some pakhtun leader in Kabul try to improve relations between both countries, USA backed ANA/Tajiks etc who now have more power in Kabul will not allow it. Ghani tried it but soon failed because he was accused of being Taliban. This is why Pakistanis shouldn't really expect afghani pakhtun politicians to be pro Pakistan because of Pakistani pakhtuns. They have to live with afghani tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras in Afghanistan.

Anyone in Afghanistan who talk about improving relations is considered Taliban. This is main reason Pakistan want Afghanis to go back as soon as possible. Pakistan clearly knows relations will not improve in near future.

You have got your facts wrong. Ghani tried to improve relation to reach out to Pakistan and completely ignored India. He hoped Pakistan would cut relations with Taliban and fight them. Instead he got responses like the one from Sartaj Aziz: That Afghan Taliban are good Taliban and we wont fight them. That's when Ghani realized it was hopeless to expect anything from Pakistan.

 

[Blue Marlin]

You're forefathers of rajput also wished that but unfortunately for you it didn't happen.

dont worry we already wore the t-shirt and it looked good on us.

Afghanistan was a buffer state between us and the soviets

 

[Kabira]

You have got your facts wrong. Ghani tried to improve relation to reach out to Pakistan and completely ignored India. He hoped Pakistan would cut relations with Taliban and fight them. Instead he got responses like the one from Sartaj Aziz: That Afghan Taliban are good Taliban and we wont fight them. That's when Ghani realized it was hopeless to expect anything from Pakistan.

Border is closed yet attacks in Afghanistan have only increased. Pakistan supported mujahidin and later on Taliban in 90's but now they are on their own. Remember Afghanistan used to support anti-Pak militants before soviet invasion. What happened is Ghani soon faced backlash and was called Taliban by afghani tajiks in puppet parliament.

Pakistan is fighting terrorists, 80-90% of reduction in attacks is proof of that. Now many have fled across the border in Afghanistan after zarb-e-azb.