PAKISTAN vs INDIA | IT Exports

[Iltutmish]

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@Joe Shearer @Ahmad Saleem @I S I @IQRA S. @jamahir @313ghazi @Salman Baig

 

[Death Professor]

wonder how big is their IT scams industry? Looking at the 104B number, surely it has to be a big chunk.

Have to promote people like Naveed Sherwani. We could produce them, but we weren't able to take advantage of them. The young gen. is enthusiastic, which gives me hope. But the system is corrupt and slow, the promises made by Asad Umer need to be fulfilled.

 

[Iltutmish]

wonder how big is their IT scams industry? Looking at the 104B number, surely it has to be a big chunk.

Have to promote people like Naveed Sherwani. We could produce them, but we weren't able to take advantage of them. The young gen. is enthusiastic, which gives me hope. But the system is corrupt and slow, the promises made by Asad Umer need to be fulfilled.

Check out Saqib Shaikh too:

A blind Pakistani working in AI.

You are right, smart Pakistanis go abroad and thrive, whilst having not having the same chances in Pakistan. If Pakistan can provide the same facilities and environment as in Europe or USA, man we would be the kings of the hill. But unfortunately our corrupt officials and liberals are busy condemning Islam and promoting gay marriages.

 

[Yaseen1]

india is big country with huge population so we cannot compete them but if we reach 40 billion usd it will be good achievement by our IT sector,when you have large number of people there are large number of brains and their combined processing power and brainstorming give much better result that is one of the major reason why technological advancement become more fast with increase in world population

 

[IQRA S.]

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@Joe Shearer @Ahmad Saleem @I S I @IQRA S. @jamahir @313ghazi @Salman Baig

I do not know why this man is against education, degree, grades because without this skill has no value. Yeah I agree, some people have skill but not education, and they are doing great, but it is luck and only 1%.

I do not know why this man is against education, degree, grades because without this skill has no value. Yeah I agree, some people have skill but not education, and they are doing great, but it is luck and only 1%.

Watch from 1:30:10

 

[313ghazi]

Check out Saqib Shaikh too:

A blind Pakistani working in AI.

You are right, smart Pakistanis go abroad and thrive, whilst having not having the same chances in Pakistan. If Pakistan can provide the same facilities and environment as in Europe or USA, man we would be the kings of the hill. But unfortunately our corrupt officials and liberals are busy condemning Islam and promoting gay marriages.

The biggest part of this is corporate culture. People thrive in cultures where you give them freedom to express themselves, responsbility and clear direction. In Pakistan this can sometimes be missing and replaced with "doing as your told" and micromanagement.

I do not know why this man is against education, degree, grades because without this skill has no value. Yeah I agree, some people have skill but not education, and they are doing great, but it is luck and only 1%.

He's not against education, I've watched dozens of his videos where he has explained this. His problem is the quality of education provided in Pakistan. The OP is based on the same thing. 20 years ago i was being taught programming in School in the UK - in Pakistan even today some IT classes have content about "this is a mouse, this is a keyboard". That education is irrelevant. If we have IT degrees where the people cannot program, cannot analyse documentation, cannot communicate properly - what were they taught?!

He is the enemy of ratta culture, not education itself. He often says people are better off starting businesses, or doing short courses in aquiring skills, rather than spending lakhs of rupees in the extended ratta culture that is some Pakistani universities.

Of all my Pakistani cousins, nephews, nieces - i only have 1 cousin who properly understands science and she studied at an expensive private school. The rest just read about science in textbooks - they never practiced the concepts or applied them. Mind you some of them are total idiots who wouldn't understand if you dissolved it in water and gave it to them to drink - but that's beside the point. Some of my cousins kids who live in Punjab did well at private schools too, but too much focus in our education system is on rote learning of facts to pass exams.

 

[Laozi]

The OP talks about an Indian company that provides banking software across the globe including Pakistan.

Have a look. You need a massive skilled workforce to compete.

 

[IQRA S.]

The biggest part of this is corporate culture. People thrive in cultures where you give them freedom to express themselves, responsbility and clear direction. In Pakistan this can sometimes be missing and replaced with "doing as your told" and micromanagement.



He's not against education, I've watched dozens of his videos where he has explained this. His problem is the quality of education provided in Pakistan. The OP is based on the same thing. 20 years ago i was being taught programming in School in the UK - in Pakistan even today some IT classes have content about "this is a mouse, this is a keyboard". That education is irrelevant. If we have IT degrees where the people cannot program, cannot analyse documentation, cannot communicate properly - what were they taught?!

He is the enemy of ratta culture, not education itself. He often says people are better off starting businesses, or doing short courses in aquiring skills, rather than spending lakhs of rupees in the extended ratta culture that is some Pakistani universities.

Of all my Pakistani cousins, nephews, nieces - i only have 1 cousin who properly understands science and she studied at an expensive private school. The rest just read about science in textbooks - they never practiced the concepts or applied them. Mind you some of them are total idiots who wouldn't understand if you dissolved it in water and gave it to them to drink - but that's beside the point. Some of my cousins kids who live in Punjab did well at private schools too, but too much focus in our education system is on rote learning of facts to pass exams.

No doubt you are right but saying that leave the degree and focus on the skill is not the right way. And the problem is in our youth also. They want everything ready in a plate. I came to know about a person who was in university and 3rd semester. He left the university just because of people saying that what will you do after taking this degree, do not waste your time on degree focus on your skill? Nobody will give you a job. After listening to too many things, he left the university and started working on his skill but what? Now he is asking for some thousands job...

If we have not a will to learning, then the expensive schools and universities cannot do anything. I know there is a ratta system. I am also a student, but if you have will to learn something, you want to apply your education then you can do that.

 

[313ghazi]

No doubt you are right but saying that leave the degree and focus on the skill is not the right way. And the problem is in our youth also. They want everything ready in a plate. I came to know about a person who was in university and 3rd semester. He left the university just because of people saying that what will you do after taking this degree, do not waste your time on degree focus on your skill? Nobody will give you a job. After listening to too many things, he left the university and started working on his skill but what? Now he is asking for some thousands job...

If we have not a will to learning, then the expensive schools and universities cannot do anything. I know there is a ratta system. I am also a student, but if you have will to learn something, you want to apply your education then you can do that.

Depends on what the skill is. If you are doing a degree in history you are wasting your time and money. Instead if you learn to build brick walls, you will at least be able to earn halal ki rozi. A young cousin of mine is covering the cost of his household working as an electrician. Those older than him spent years at college wasting time, chasing girls, and have degrees in nonsense subjects. they still look to abu to cover the cost of their household.

Sometimes people must be practical.

 

[Joe Shearer]

They want everything ready in a plate

I wish I had 5 rupees every time I've met a candidate like that.

OK, I don't need a 27-storey palace; 1 rupee will do.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The OP talks about an Indian company that provides banking software across the globe including Pakistan.

Have a look. You need a massive skilled workforce to compete.

Buddy boy, it doesn't happen overnight.

Many years ago, when I was running my own firm, I got through sub-contract the job of supporting Infosys' Cooperative Banking software, eight modules, written in COBOL. It had already been adopted by Amanath Cooperative Bank and by Saraswat Cooperative Bank, two very large cooperative banks. Our help was needed to support bug fixes and (minor) customisation for new clients.

Those of you who have seen COBOL code know about it's natural language like feel. So you can open the source code (if it is available) and read it to get a feel. When I did that, it was amazing to find that each of the eight had a distinct 'style' of programming, so much so that you could look at a fragment of code and figure out which module it might have come from.

It was buggy code. Getting it to work the first time on any installation was a pain, because fixing a bug in one place set off side-effects in totally unexpected places. Pushing a peanut uphill using your nose was easier.

That was years before my junior and a veteran from ANZ, Girish Vaidya, came on board Infosys, and built FINACLE, and implemented it at a prominent bank, Canara Bank, near Parliament, in Delhi.

Infosys was never the leader in software development. TCS was, and WIPRO were next.

 

[letsrock]

Indian IT export figures are massively inflated. If they were true then US software and services imports should reflect that right ? but US announces only a fraction of what india claims. Thats because of the way india counts as exports. All software invoices made by indian companies are counted as exports despite the fact there could be onsite billing. INdeed most money is simply spent onsite on salaries. Real indian software exports are in range of $30 billion usd.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I do think India IT boom face hit the wall of COVID and well, slowly start to die.

The west who have outsourced large swathes of their middle-class IT economy to buildup India as a counter to China now have massive problem.

Reduced economies that will take decades to recover and mass un-employment and low tax revenue income. They will be less favourable to encouraging companies to outsource their IT to India for strategic reasons, but rather, discretely, encourage them to bring jobs back to their home countries.

Manufacturing is extremely difficult to bring back from China as you have to spend serious cash to re-build the ecosystem home. It will take decades.

IT is far far less difficult as the up front infrastructure spend is so little.

Given the current cost of India IT resources to a project (about ~70-80% of salaries of IT people in low-cost areas in the UK such as Glasgow, Liverpool etc..) companies now adoping near-shore strategies that given them more control over their IT spend and at the quality level they need for the next generation of IT innovation.

IT in India has reached it inflection point. It will slowly start going the other way. India had a good run since the Y2K work that spawned an entire industry...

 

[kursed]

Indian strength lies in their emphasis on STEM subjects, since the 70s, which is bearing them fruits ‘now’.

In Pakistan, there are small islands of excellence and exceptions to the rule but there is no emphasis on STEM subjects. Our universities produce barely any original research and most of the faculty across the country lacks the capacity to undertake a generational change towards these subjects.

There’s no competition, when it comes to science, engineering and maths between Pak and India. Pakistanis never got the institutes Indians have had since the 70s, in shape of IITs and IIMs.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Indian strength lies in their emphasis on STEM subjects, since the 70s, which is bearing them fruits ‘now’.

In Pakistan, there are small islands of excellence and exceptions to the rule but there is no emphasis on STEM subjects. Our universities produce barely any original research and most of the faculty across the country lacks the capacity to undertake a generational change towards these subjects.

There’s no competition, when it comes to science, engineering and maths between Pak and India. Pakistanis never got the institutes Indians have had since the 70s, in shape of IITs and IIMs.

True, but is stopping from Pakistan "now" building these "Pakistan Institutes of Technology". Why can't it see the value that IIT brought to India and replicate it?

In the last 4 years, India alone has built 4 IITs.

Pakistan has NUST. Why not build that as a Pakistan wide brand and focus on STEM ?

Pakistans refusal to invest in education is at the root of the majority of Pakistans current problems...

Fix that, you will fix Pakistan.

That is the problem, the lack of imagination and creativity.. especially when it comes to educating the Pakistani nation...

Granted there are no India IIT in the top 50, but look at China! -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Ranking_by_Academic_Performance