Pakistan, Serbia in defence cowork talks

[A.Rafay]

ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister of Defence Syed Naveed Qamar met the highest leadership and command in the House of Guards in Topcider, Belgrade.

The Defence Minister is leading a four-member delegation to Serbia.
Speaking about the importance of the meeting, the Defence Minister and Deputy PM of Serbia Aleksandar Vucic said that Pakistan was and remained a friend of Serbia and has always been on the side of Pakistan in the international context.

During the visit, Syed Naveed Qamar met the Serbian President, Tomislav Nikolic, the Prime Minister, Ivica Dacic, the Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister, Aleksandar Vucic and Speaker of the Serbian National Assembly, Mr. Nebojsa Stefanovic.

The Defence Minister also visited various defence installations and witnessed a demonstration held by Serbian Special Forces, said a statement here Thursday.
The visit is aimed at identifying avenues for cooperation between the defence establishments of the two countries.

In this context, a prospective Memorandum of Understanding on cooperation in the field of defence also came under discussion.

The Minister also broached issues of opening of Serbian Embassy in Islamabad, concluding Preferential Trade Agreement and holding of Joint Ministerial Commission.

The Serbian dignitaries assured their fullest cooperation and stated that these issues will be addressed at priority.

Topic of the meeting held with Serbian President and Deputy PM was the promotion of bilateral cooperation in different fields, and the two sides talked about the military-to-military, military-economic and military-educational cooperation.

Minister Vucic agreed that a military delegation of the Republic of Serbia should visit Pakistan as soon as possible and also there were discussions about the development of cooperation in the field of
technology transfer, which is of great importance for Serbia, he said, adding that this would open the doors for various types of cooperation between the two countries.

Serbian Minister was more precise saying that their defence industry has to offer armored vehicles, large caliber ammunition, night-vision devices, and the use of wind tunnels that are in the possession
of our Military technical Institute.
In the meetings, the Serbian leadership deeply appreciated Pakistan’s principled stance on the Kosovo issue. Pakistan and Serbia have good cooperation.

Defence Minister Syed Naveed Qamar also extended invitations from President and Prime Minister of Pakistan to the President and Prime Minister of Serbia to visit Pakistan, which were accepted and highly appreciated. (PPI)

Pakistan, Serbia in defence cowork talks - thenews.com.pk

 

[Icarus]

Pakistan and Serbia have enjoyed less than cordial relations in the past, better relations will help us build favourable opinion in Eastern Europe besides opening up another market for trade and investment.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

YES TIMES HAVE CHANGED N WE SHOULD NOW MOVE ON FROM BOSNIA ISSUES...

 

[Kompromat]

Pakistan and Serbia have enjoyed less than cordial relations in the past, better relations will help us build favourable opinion in Eastern Europe besides opening up another market for trade and investment.

What exactly they want to sale and buy ?

 

[A.Rafay]

Maybe they want something from Pakistan, Maybe something Pakistan has which Interests them in making relations, Everybody sees their own profit in any connection B/w two nations, BTW it will be good if we start cooperation with them, Trade and economic ties would be better and some Defense Cooperation TOO.

 

[Safriz]

Serbia, Pakistan agree to sign military deal 19 October, 2012 RAWALPINDI: Pakistan and Serbia on Thursday agreed on military deal
besides entering into Preferential Trade Agreement and establishing
joint ministerial commission, said a Defence Ministry spokesman. According to officials, the agreements in this connection would be
signed during Serbian delegation's visit to Pakistan. Defence Minister Naveed Qamar who is in Serbia also extended
invitation to the Serbian president and prime minister to visit Pakistan
to further deepen the ties. The officials said they would soon visit
Pakistan after accepting the invitation. Qamar met the highest leadership and command in the House of
Guards in Topcider, Belgrade. The minister is leading a four-member
delegation to Serbia. Serbian Deputy PM Aleksandar Vucic said that
Pakistan was and would remain a friend of Serbia and has always been
on the side of Pakistan in the international context. During the visit,
Qamar met Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic, Prime Minister Ivica Dacic, the deputy prime minister, Defence Minister Aleksandar Vucic
and Speaker of the Serbian National Assembly Nebojsa Stefanovic. The
Defence Minister also visited various defence installations and
witnessed a demonstration held by Serbian Special Forces. The visit is aimed at identifying avenues for cooperation between the
defence establishments of the two countries. In this context, a
prospective Memorandum of Understanding on cooperation in the field
of defence also came under discussion. The Minister also broached
issues of opening of Serbian Embassy in Islamabad, concluding
Preferential Trade Agreement and holding of Joint Ministerial Commission. The Serbian dignitaries assured their cooperation and
stated that these issues will be addressed at priority. Topic of the meeting held with Serbian president and deputy PM was
the promotion of bilateral cooperation in different fields, and the two
sides talked about the military-to-military, military-economic and
military-educational cooperation.

What exactly they want to sale and buy ?

They have much of soviet/Russian hardware...

 

[somebozo]

A whole world of opportunities exist if we disconnect ourselves from this pan-islamism mentality..even new Arab leaders have given up on this rotten socialist ideology and have understood that they are doing no good to the world by donating dates and building mosques where there aren't jobs of their own citizens.

Take religion out of equation and we find that we are no more threatened by "evil yindoos" or "afghan commies". TTP, Talibans or AQ. No suspicion of nuclear proliferation and no incentive to engage in sale of national secrets. Things would be much more better for the good.

 

[Safriz]

^^^ Your comment is out of place...and irrelevant..

 

[Arsalan]

A whole world of opportunities exist if we disconnect ourselves from this pan-islamism mentality..even new Arab leaders have given up on this rotten socialist ideology and have understood that they are doing no good to the world by donating dates and building mosques where there aren't jobs of their own citizens.

Take religion out of equation and we find that we are no more threatened by "evil yindoos" or "afghan commies". TTP, Talibans or AQ. No suspicion of nuclear proliferation and no incentive to engage in sale of national secrets. Things would be much more better for the good.

Take religion out of equation and that's it!! No life with out aim!!!
We as Muslims believe that Islam is a complete Code of Conduct for whole life here and here after. These is no point that our religion have not guided us in. The problem is not in following religion but in not following it properly and not understanding and implementing the core values of Islam!

Islam do not forbids business, rather trade is encouraged in Islam.

On topic, the new development in our relations with Serbia is good. We can get a lot to learn in APC and Helicopter sector particularly and do have a lot to offer in return as well!

 

[KRAIT]

Take religion out of equation and that's it!! No life with out aim!!!
We as Muslims believe that Islam is a complete Code of Conduct for whole life here and here after. These is no point that our religion have not guided us in. The problem is not in following religion but in not following it properly and not understanding and implementing the core values of Islam!

Islam do not forbids business, rather trade is encouraged in Islam.

On topic, the new development in our relations with Serbia is good. We can get a lot to learn in APC and Helicopter sector particularly and do have a lot to offer in return as well!

Follow any religion and accept the true meaning of it, you will succeed. All religions talks about peace and prosperity its the mistaken meaning that results in anarchy and chaos.

You are right about implementing the core meanings of Islam. It extends to other religions too but most of the people don't want to see the entire picture and find the meaning of their religion.

If a person can't find peace in one religion because he/she is not trying then it will result in same outcome if he/she tries to find in other religion. The perception and understanding matters the most and religion is like any other binding force.

@topic
So instead of religion been taken put of the equation, one should use this religion in correct form to find more common grounds and hence work in cooperation.

 

[Secur]

The question is what does Serbia seek from us in military co-operation ? Exactly what are they offering us ? Are they interested in buying any Pakistani weapon ?

Anyways , a welcome development !

Follow any religion and accept the true meaning of it, you will succeed. All religions talks about peace and prosperity its the mistaken meaning that results in anarchy and chaos.

Exactly ... Twist the meanings/interpretation to suit your agenda and it will become opiate for the masses resulting in destruction !

 

[Arsalan]

The question is what does Serbia seek from us in military co-operation ? Exactly what are they offering us ? Are they interested in buying any Pakistani weapon ?

Anyways , a welcome development !



Exactly ... Twist the meanings/interpretation to suit your agenda and it will become opiate for the masses resulting in destruction !

from the above article:

....Serbian Minister was more precise saying that their defence industry has to offer armored vehicles, large caliber ammunition, night-vision devices, and the use of wind tunnels that are in the possession
of our Military technical Institute.

 

[Luftwaffe]

We can get a lot to learn in APC and Helicopter sector particularly and do have a lot to offer in return as well!

On the contrary we can learn alot from their T-84 MBT modernization. Also study APC BOV-M86/83 like you said other than that They have russian aging equipment.

I'm not sure how many mig-21s are operational or in operational condition but if they are PAF could help in upgrades similar to israelis have done to mig 21-2000 standards.

 

[somebozo]

Take religion out of equation and that's it!! No life with out aim!!!
We as Muslims believe that Islam is a complete Code of Conduct for whole life here and here after. These is no point that our religion have not guided us in. The problem is not in following religion but in not following it properly and not understanding and implementing the core values of Islam!

Islam do not forbids business, rather trade is encouraged in Islam.

On topic, the new development in our relations with Serbia is good. We can get a lot to learn in APC and Helicopter sector particularly and do have a lot to offer in return as well!

How much perfection you have got to achieve that Islam is a lifetime "code of conduct"? So far no one has been able to implement this so called perfect "code on conduct" but ended up going back to stone age in persuit of doing so. It always starts at a young and ripe age. Infact the TTP, AQ, Lal Masjid etc menace is nothing but striving to enforce perfect "code of conduct" on the en-masses. The fact that through out history, illegitimate force has been required to impose this perfect "code of conduct" disapproves its acceptance to enmasse and when friction turns into resistance there will be violence.

The fact is simple, the so called "code of conduct" lives in the heart of individual as his commitment to Allah. The code of conduct TTP/AQ/Lal Masjid/ Jamat is trying to enforce was drawn up my medieval mindset humans to serve their own greed of power and feel like an emperor - not God himself.

Remember the first fraction in Islam the so called Shia-Sunni divide occurred not over religious difference but as a political power struggle of accession. The three caliphs earlier died on job due the very same nature of power struggle. Today a few fasadis try to find excuses in 14 centuries old conflict to settle scores on the streets of Iraq and Pakistan.

What is taking Pakistan backwards is that our national affairs are in the hands of mullahs, jamatis and deoband or tehran sympathizers each of them chasing his mirage of historical goals preached by their particular mullah / Ayatollah. The well being of Pakistani citizens lies with in the boundaries of Pakistan - not in Tehran, Medina or Baghdad.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

How much perfection you have got to achieve that Islam is a lifetime "code of conduct"? So far no one has been able to implement this so called perfect "code on conduct" but ended up going back to stone age in persuit of doing so. It always starts at a young and ripe age. Infact the TTP, AQ, Lal Masjid etc menace is nothing but striving to enforce perfect "code of conduct" on the en-masses. The fact that through out history, illegitimate force has been required to impose this perfect "code of conduct" disapproves its acceptance to enmasse and when friction turns into resistance there will be violence.

The fact is simple, the so called "code of conduct" lives in the heart of individual as his commitment to Allah. The code of conduct TTP/AQ/Lal Masjid/ Jamat is trying to enforce was drawn up my medieval mindset humans to serve their own greed of power and feel like an emperor - not God himself.

Remember the first fraction in Islam the so called Shia-Sunni divide occurred not over religious difference but as a political power struggle of accession. The three caliphs earlier died on job due the very same nature of power struggle. Today a few fasadis try to find excuses in 14 centuries old conflict to settle scores on the streets of Iraq and Pakistan.

What is taking Pakistan backwards is that our national affairs are in the hands of mullahs, jamatis and deoband or tehran sympathizers each of them chasing his mirage of historical goals preached by their particular mullah / Ayatollah. The well being of Pakistani citizens lies with in the boundaries of Pakistan - not in Tehran, Medina or Baghdad.

Sir, please this is not the right thread or forum to debate religion. If Serbians are interested in establishing ties with Pakistan, what is the problem we have? All of us know the role of Pakistan during Bosnian war, if Serbs have came forward forgetting the past, i think we should warmly welcome them. We should avail any opportunity, which lies in establishing a defense deal with Serbia.