'Pakistan provided US info about Osama whereabouts

[IceCold]

We had Zardari, what can we expect?

 

[CriticalThinker02]

They shot so many lead into his body that it literally turned into mince meat and later according to "Islamic traditions" buried his body into the sea yeah right nice way to cut all the loose ends, should make a movie out of it.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Looks close from above, but substantial gap there.

The most prolific murderer in recent times in UK history was the Yorkshire Ripper. He lived exactly 4,000ft from the local Police station. That is exactly the same distance OBL lived from the Kakul Military Academy. The job of the police is to hunt criminals and murderers are top of that list. Serial murderers like Yorkshire Ripper that caught the attention of world media led to one of the most intensive police hunts in UK history. Yet over decade despite living 4,000 feet from the local police station he kept killing women and evaded the police hunt. When he was caught by accident nearly 50 miles away I can't remember anybody being shocked that "hey the Ripper lived next to the police station".

A military academy is that. A college that teachers cadet officers in the art/science of war. It has no slant or remotely anything to do with hunting criminals or most wanted down. It's not like the cadets after a lesson on tank warfare go out and search local houses for criminals or international terrorists. Therefore to make connection with academy and OBL is ridicalous proposition that can only excite a cretin or those just looking to dump on Pakistan.

no one in the world can understand pakistani narrative that pak provided info to US about where abouts of OBL and based on that info US carried out the raid. he was sitting net to PMA and pak authorities didnt know of his location? it is also impossible to digest this story. if they knew why pak themselves didnt carry out the raid. i remember official statement at that time that pak did not have the technology for such mission. what the hell. pak didnt have the technology of breaking into a house? the whole matter is nothing but a matter of shame for pakistan.

Points for you to note -

• the intel that Pak provided was just one bit in thousands that were shared with USA. The intel was not "OBL, Flat 2, Floor 3, House No 007, Abottabad". The intel was raw info that could be worked on and as the line of enquiry was followed it eventully led to OBL's location. CIA had better technology and resources to develop on the intel provided by Pak.
• if Pak knew that intel was indeed going to lead to OBL do you think ISI would be so dumb to either

i. give that info if it indeed was hiding OBL?
ii. give that info if it knew that it would lead to OBL being caught?

The reality is ISI did not know OBL was hiding in Pakistan let alone Abottabad. In many countries of the world you can't piss crooked because the ever alert state will catch you. Pakistan is quite the opposite. You can almost do anything in Pakistan and get away with doing it. That is why Pakistan is in a mess and chaotic. Add to this that significant if not the majority of citizens subscribe loyalty to sense of Muslim brotherhood rather than Pakistan this further provides support for likes of OBL to hide. Then you have cultural practices, That district is quite conservative and large walls are quite common. So a house walled off is not exactly conspicious.

My opinion is Pakistani state was not complicit in OBL fiasco. However it was negligent in failing to enforce it's writ and prevent every colour of Islamist scum to come and hide in Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

My opinion is Pakistani state was not complicit in OBL fiasco. However it was negligent in failing to enforce it's writ and prevent every colour of Islamist scum to come and hide in Pakistan.

As I said at that time, the choice was and is between complicity and incompetence, and neither is exactly good. Besides, where in Pakistan this happened is not as important as the fact that it did within the country.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

As I said at that time, the choice was and is between complicity and incompetence, and neither is exactly good. Besides, where in Pakistan this happened is not as important as the fact that it did within the country.

Well, I can raise another point. Leaving asides Pakistan. OBL was a American issue. 5,000 Americans dead. WOT. Trillion spent. Surely America would have investigated to establish if Pakistan was guilty. If it did. It either was -

• 1. established by USA Pakistan was not guilty
• 2. established by USA Pakistan was guilty
• 3. failed to establidsh either

Since implicitly USA accepted Number 1 we can delete 2 and 3. Or it did so knowing it was either 2 or 3 in which case USA is guilty of having failed the American people. You need to toast your own government.

 

[VCheng]

Well, I can raise another point. Leaving asides Pakistan. OBL was a American issue. 5,000 Americans dead. WOT. Trillion spent. Surely America would have investigated to establish if Pakistan was guilty. If it did. It either was -

• 1. established by USA Pakistan was not guilty
• 2. established by USA Pakistan was guilty
• 3. failed to establidsh either

Since implicitly USA accepted Number 1 we can delete 2 and 3. Or it did so knowing it was either 2 or 3 in which case USA is guilty of having failed the American people. You need to toast your own government.

Good rationale, except that the concept of guilt is not applicable in international geopolitics. USA would have completed its analysis and determined the best course of action based on pursuing its national interests, pure and simple.

 

[BHarwana]

Bingo. Perception counts. The world does not have time to sift through ton of evidence and conclude "hey Pakistan was victim". And in this age of mass communication perception is just the headline over a one minute attention span. The world thinks -

• OBL was the worlds most wanted terrorist.
  
• OB was found in Pakistan
• USA went in and killed him

This was a public relation disaster for Pakistan. It's like how do you get out of this one? I mean we know OBL was Saudi but 7 billion people on earth associate OBL -> Pakistan.

True, but USA should be prepared to reap the harvest. If you don't trust somebody even when they have given you some vital info, it will have consequences - going forward they will lose trust in you and expect them also to hold back info from you. Trust is a two way street.

What would have happened other wise have you given that scenario a thought?

OBL was US asset and CIA hid him in Abbatobbad, Pakistan was closing in on him. USA went in and killed him.

Let's stick to this?

No one knows what happened and all world will do is give conspiracy theories.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pinidi boys are showing the Pentagon/CIA blokes their places!!! Now President Trump will go after them with renewed vigor as they will after him via Son-in-Law/MBS/MBZ trio!!!!! It's the Deep State vs the Deep Nation!!!!! Pak and Turkey are just putting more fuel into the fire.....

 

[Baghial]

What would have happened other wise have you given that scenario a thought?

OBL was US asset and CIA hid him in Abbatobbad, Pakistan was closing in on him. USA went in and killed him.

Let's stick to this?

No one knows what happened and all world will do is give conspiracy theories.

the dead body of OBL ( WHO DIED OD NATURAL CAUSE KIDNEY FAILURE 98/99) WAS IN FREEZER UNDER MANGLA DAM---

WE JUST PROVIDED A CORPSE AND PLAYED OUR PART IN HOLLYWOOD DIRTY HARRY

Pinidi boys are showing the Pentagon/CIA blokes their places!!! Now President Trump will go after them with renewed vigor as they will after him via Son-in-Law/MBS/MBZ trio!!!!! It's the Deep State vs the Deep Nation!!!!! Pak and Turkey are just putting more fuel into the fire.....

HOPE THERE IS ENOUGH FEUL............... FOR INFERNO

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The most prolific murderer in recent times in UK history was the Yorkshire Ripper. He lived exactly 4,000ft from the local Police station. That is exactly the same distance OBL lived from the Kakul Military Academy. The job of the police is to hunt criminals and murderers are top of that list. Serial murderers like Yorkshire Ripper that caught the attention of world media led to one of the most intensive police hunts in UK history. Yet over decade despite living 4,000 feet from the local police station he kept killing women and evaded the police hunt. When he was caught by accident nearly 50 miles away I can't remember anybody being shocked that "hey the Ripper lived next to the police station".

A military academy is that. A college that teachers cadet officers in the art/science of war. It has no slant or remotely anything to do with hunting criminals or most wanted down. It's not like the cadets after a lesson on tank warfare go out and search local houses for criminals or international terrorists. Therefore to make connection with academy and OBL is ridicalous proposition that can only excite a cretin or those just looking to dump on Pakistan.

Points for you to note -

• the intel that Pak provided was just one bit in thousands that were shared with USA. The intel was not "OBL, Flat 2, Floor 3, House No 007, Abottabad". The intel was raw info that could be worked on and as the line of enquiry was followed it eventully led to OBL's location. CIA had better technology and resources to develop on the intel provided by Pak.
• if Pak knew that intel was indeed going to lead to OBL do you think ISI would be so dumb to either

i. give that info if it indeed was hiding OBL?
ii. give that info if it knew that it would lead to OBL being caught?

The reality is ISI did not know OBL was hiding in Pakistan let alone Abottabad. In many countries of the world you can't piss crooked because the ever alert state will catch you. Pakistan is quite the opposite. You can almost do anything in Pakistan and get away with doing it. That is why Pakistan is in a mess and chaotic. Add to this that significant if not the majority of citizens subscribe loyalty to sense of Muslim brotherhood rather than Pakistan this further provides support for likes of OBL to hide. Then you have cultural practices, That district is quite conservative and large walls are quite common. So a house walled off is not exactly conspicious.

My opinion is Pakistani state was not complicit in OBL fiasco. However it was negligent in failing to enforce it's writ and prevent every colour of Islamist scum to come and hide in Pakistan.

President Trump wants Pak cooperation to corner Pentagon/CIA for they are after the Son-in-Law/MBS/MBZ trio en route to him!!!! Can Pak do it????? Time is running out...

 

[hassan zohaib]

'Pakistan provided US info about Osama whereabouts'

ISLAMABAD: Admitting that it had played a role in helping the United States locate and kill bin Laden in 2011, the Foreign Office on Tuesday said that it was Pakistan’s intelligence cooperation that provided the initial evidence to trace the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.

Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua summoned the US Chargé d’Affaires Paul Jones to the Foreign Office on Tuesday and registered a strong protest on “unwarranted and unsubstantiated” allegations made against Pakistan by President Trump, which could seriously undermine vital cooperation between the two countries.

“Conveying her government’s disappointment on the recent tweets and comments by the US president, the US CdA was told that such baseless rhetoric about Pakistan was totally unacceptable,” the office of the foreign secretary said in a statement.

On Monday, President Trump told the Fox News the reasons for ending over a billion dollar annual aid for Pakistan was because the country didn’t do “a damn thing for us”.He also mentioned the stay of Osama bin Laden (OBL) in Pakistan before he was killed by the US forces.

In reply, the foreign secretary said: “We reject the insinuations about OBL, and want to remind the US that it was Pakistan’s intelligence cooperation that provided the initial evidence to trace the whereabouts of OBL.”

She added that no other country had paid a heavier price than Pakistan in the fight against terrorism.

“The US leadership had acknowledged on multiple occasions that Pakistan’s cooperation had helped in decimating the core al-Qaeda leadership and eradicating the threat of terrorism from the region. The US must not forget that scores of top AQ leaders were killed or captured by active Pakistani cooperation,” Ambassador Paul Jones was told.

Pakistan’s continued support to the efforts of international community in Afghanistan through ground, air and sea lines of communication was unquestionably critical to the success of the mission in Afghanistan.

“In the wake of recent US pronouncements to seek political settlement in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the US were working in close coordination with other regional stakeholders in order to end the prolonged conflict. At this critical juncture, baseless allegations about a closed chapter of history could seriously undermine this vital cooperation,” the secretary added.

Meanwhile, senior officials of the United States approached Islamabad to defuse the tensions, well-informed sources told a private TV channel.While praising Pakistan’s unrivaled sacrifices in the anti-terror campaign, the officials informed their Pakistani counterparts that Washington would require Islamabad’s additional assistance in the future too.

The US officials — in their written reply — promised “to inform President Trump about sacrifices rendered by Pakistan”.The officials also stated that the US would continue to engage with Islamabad on diplomatic channels.

Earlier, the Pentagon on Monday said that Pakistan remains a critical partner to the United States’ South Asia strategy.US Director of Defence Press Operations Colonel Robert Manning, speaking to reporters during an off-camera news conference, asserted that Pakistan “remains a critical partner” to America’s South Asia strategy.

“The US and Pakistan have strong mutual interests in the region. As you know, they are critical (and) vital to the South Asia strategy and including the facilitation of a peace process that would lead to a stable and peaceful Afghanistan,” Colonel Manning said.

Responding to a question about the recent series of tweets by President Trump, he said, “They [Pakistan] remain a critical partner in our South Asia strategy and there’s been no change to our military-to-military relationship with Pakistan.”

When told his answers differ with the views of the US president, Colonel Manning added, “I do not have any announcement on any change to the military-to-military relationship we have with Pakistan.”

So this acceptance provide support to the theory presented by US journalist in which he claimed Pak n us had agreement 2 catch osama on Pak land but at the very last moment US ditched Pak n took all recognition by itself.

 

[The Diplomat]

Well, I can raise another point. Leaving asides Pakistan. OBL was a American issue. 5,000 Americans dead. WOT. Trillion spent. Surely America would have investigated to establish if Pakistan was guilty. If it did. It either was -

• 1. established by USA Pakistan was not guilty
• 2. established by USA Pakistan was guilty
• 3. failed to establidsh either

Since implicitly USA accepted Number 1 we can delete 2 and 3. Or it did so knowing it was either 2 or 3 in which case USA is guilty of having failed the American people. You need to toast your own government.

There are many sides to the story. Seymour Hersh says that Pakistan knew the whereabouts of OBL on the other hand official report says we had no idea, which goes hand in hand with what Gen. Musharraf said.

There is another report that says USA & Pakistan decided to conduct a joint-raid at the property however Obama ordered Delta force to raid the property with out Pakistan's assistance. Pick your story, they are as bad as each other. This raid, if anything established that Pakistan was guilty in the Western mind.

So this acceptance provide support to the theory presented by US journalist in which he claimed Pak n us had agreement 2 catch osama on Pak land but at the very last moment US ditched Pak n took all recognition by itself.

That's the story. Someone should have been held accountable in Pakistan. Gen. Kayani, DG ISI & MI and other senior officials (government and military) that had any info.

 

[Solomon2]

Should have caught him ourselves. Either we were incompetent or we didn’t act in national interest.

I don't see why those should be the only two possibilities. Perhaps the Pakistani military was perfectly competent but harbored someone informing Al Qaeda of everything the Americans told them, so eventually the Americans couldn't trust Pakistan at all.

 

[pakdefender]

Donald Trump should just declassify the whole story , he can put the record straight on this for all concerned.
Be it for Pakistanis or for Americans or for anyone else in the world

The end of OBL often comes into focus but every end has a beginning and in order to get the full story need to start from the beginning.

 

[The Diplomat]

I don't see why those should be the only two possibilities. Perhaps the Pakistani military was perfectly competent but harbored someone informing Al Qaeda of everything the Americans told them, so eventually the Americans couldn't trust Pakistan at all.

That would not have led to the raid of OBL. As Gen. Musharraf put it poor performance by intelligence agencies are probable; let Inter Services sleep for once... CIA was sleeping when several people were being trained in the US, when four aircraft were hijacked from four different airfields, where was the CIA? Were they asleep?

Intelligence is a weird business, people never know what you achieved but know what you didn't achieve. Sadly we failed the biggest test.

Donald Trump should just declassify the whole story , he can put the record straight on this for all concerned.
Be it for Pakistanis or for Americans or for anyone else in the world

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