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There are three very basic building blocks in a state....all three are necessary ...and excluding one will lead to complete destruction...
Education
Law
Defence...

When prophet of islam (saw) died, there was not enough oil in his house to light up a lamp....hazrat ayesha (RA) had to borrow some...
But there were 9 top quality swords hanging on the wall...of every shape and size and very expensive those days...

Its not responsibility of state to run sugar mills railway steel mills banks ....
Thats the fundamentilist flaw of socialism and thats why it failed....
These things are done far better by private sector...
State should only provide law and order, education and defence....

Muslims in their peak days were un matched in all 3....every empire before and after islam including US today or british in near past have excelled in these 3 firlelds ....rest is juat prespectve...

I hope i am more clear now

Hi,

Equality and Freedom are the most important pillars of a society.

ORDER in the society----is the most important step in allowing the above to cherish and succeed---and it stands

Along with the Rule of Law and provision of SPEEDY justice---.

This means---that in order for you to force the law---and provide speedy justice---you need to have order in the community first and foremost---.

This is the basic fundamental picture of Islam as it started 1400+ years ago.
 
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That is what the mongol Khan said to the ruler of Baghdad when the king asked the Khan to spare his life for wealth----should have a better army---.
The Mongol Army tactics were superior to majority of the armies it fought. Moreover:

The Muslim world at this time was in no position to resist the Mongol attacks. The Abbasid Caliphate was nothing but a shell of its former self, having no power outside of Baghdad. Most of Persia was disunited as the Khwarazmian Empire had mostly deteriorated by then. The Ayyubid state established by Salah al-Din was only in control of small parts of Iraq and Syria. In Egypt, a recent revolution had overthrown Salah al-Din’s descendants and brought to power the new Mamluk Sultanate. With his giant army of hundreds of thousands, Hulagu did not encounter much resistance.

The caliphs were figureheads more interested in worldly pleasures than serving God through serving the people. The Abbasid army was effectively non-existent, and only served as bodyguards of the caliph. And the scientific achievements of the Muslim world were now centered in places such as Cairo, Muslim Spain, and India.
 
Or...we can go the Bangladesh route and become the western colony of a rapidly rising India, come under their sphere of influence and dance to their tunes; reducing defense expenditure from $ 9 billion to $ 1-2 billion, give up the nuclear program and happily spend the rest on health and education; and probably no more deaths in terrorism. I wonder which option would folks like to choose..
its not that simple... once the nuclear program is rolled back, India won't stop on the borders.. If we somehow loses our ability to defend ourselves, then your sisters and daughters will become slaves to the Hindus,.. ur children will b dying everywhere(see libya, palestine, kashmir, myanmar, iraq, afghnistan) .. b realistic,. its a world where the Rules of Jungle r being implemented,.. weak r used for 1 thing and 1 thing only.. to suffer at the hands of powerful aggressors...
 
The Mongol Army tactics were superior to majority of the armies it fought. Moreover:

The Muslim world at this time was in no position to resist the Mongol attacks. The Abbasid Caliphate was nothing but a shell of its former self, having no power outside of Baghdad. Most of Persia was disunited as the Khwarazmian Empire had mostly deteriorated by then. The Ayyubid state established by Salah al-Din was only in control of small parts of Iraq and Syria. In Egypt, a recent revolution had overthrown Salah al-Din’s descendants and brought to power the new Mamluk Sultanate. With his giant army of hundreds of thousands, Hulagu did not encounter much resistance.

The caliphs were figureheads more interested in worldly pleasures than serving God through serving the people. The Abbasid army was effectively non-existent, and only served as bodyguards of the caliph. And the scientific achievements of the Muslim world were now centered in places such as Cairo, Muslim Spain, and India.

The muslims should not have killed the mongol traders and then the emissaries sent later to ask for those responsilbe to be punished.

As for the muslim armies---Khwazim Shah's----it was not for a lack of soldiers---but a lack of understanding the level of the threat---a lack of preparation and a lack of urgency to get to the desired place.

His army was busy stopping for prayers 5 times a day---ie 5 hours of stoppage time every day rather than pushing hard to meet the enemy on favorable grounds----and kiss ar-se Maulvis talking about the glory of the Shah.

The bottomline is that the mongols had no desire to conquer these areas because of the hot climate---if the mongol traders were not killed by the muslim governor and nephew of the Shah.

Once the conquest started and the ease of the victory---there was no stopping.

Also it was Fate that dealt a bad hand to the muslim empire----who would get to conquer east and who would conquer west---.
 

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