Pakistan pitches for mutual demilitarisation of Siachen after Lance Naik Koppad's death

[my2cents]

Get your facts right. India's operation Meghdoot and incursion into Siachen which resulted in the thievery of land from us resulted in Pakistan's future operation in kargil. Kargil was a response to siachen, not the other way around. Look at history and ask what happened first, the siachen conflict or the kargil debacle. It was India which invaded Siachen. Kargil was a response to even things but Indian media was in its initial phase of growing increasingly powerful. It convinced America and other countries that Pakistan was being belligerant and combative.

Not a word was raised on the Siachen attack which India launched but Pakistan was asked to pull back in Kargil. Unfortunate and shows that India's soft power had been growing since that early. Pakistani government should have done something to curtail this growing influence and perhaps we wouldn't have American offers to India to sell f16s better than ours or a nuke deal.

Actually you should get your facts right. When Kargil happened there was clear demarcation of the boundary of operation and there was a gentleman's agreement that posts that were vacated during winter will not be occupied. In the case of Siachen there was no such demarcation and all lines ended east of the Karakoram pass. As part of erstwhile Jammu and Kashmir, India exerted its rights to the Siachen glacier and if it bothers our neighbour that we occupied it first then tough luck.

 

[Scavenger]

I came here to see people agreeing that it should be demilitarized but looks like Indians are high on their bravado and willing to lose more lives because of their jingoism.
Carry on and tell the fallen soldiers' mothers that we are brave to die in cold because of stupid reasons.

Asking India to demilitarize Siachen is like asking Pakistan to demilitarize P o K.
Pakistan won't do it fearing India's military action.

Similarly, India won't leave Siachen open to Pakistani hostile action. Like Kargil. A mistake can only be made once. India has already paid for it when it left Kargil unmanned and Pakistan Army moved in violating the Cease Fire Line.

Can't be fooled by the same trick twice.

 

[Vapnope]

Asking India to demilitarize Siachen is like asking Pakistan to demilitarize P o K.
Pakistan won't do it fearing India's military action.

Wrong Comparison .

Similarly, India won't leave Siachen open to Pakistani hostile action. Like Kargil.

International help can be sought if both agree on demilitarizing it. Whoever violates the agreement should be punished. Only if both agree...

All I can give you is a Toilet Paper to wipe Crocodile Tears......

Save your toilet paper for you .. oh wait..

 

[Scavenger]

Wrong Comparison .

International help can be sought if both agree on demilitarizing it. Whoever violates the agreement should be punished. Only if both agree...

We have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as "International help". International help is as useful as giving Ice to man trapped in Antarctica when a country is using military power.

As happened in Kargil - there was a Cease Fire Line that was accepted between India and Pakistan. India left Kargil based on that.

That was violated by Pakistan Army when it moved in. Neither did they consult their own Govt's permission for such action, nor did they give any weight to the paper on which the agreement was made - which became as useful as toilet paper(which you seem to be giving a lot of credence to - ie "Agreements").

To almost rub this fact in - all this happened while the Indian Govt was making an effort to improve relations with Pakistan and the PM of India was visiting Pakistan.

We have a very strong precedent - that Pakistan Army will disregard any and all international agreement and also its own Government when it deems it useful.

As I said, we can fall for a trick only once. It doesn't work twice.

 

[Musafir117]

Did they actually think that we will take such measure ,a disgrace to our fallen bravehearts ?
Lance Naik Koppad sacrificed for a reason .To protect the sovreignity and strategic security of his/our motherland .If situation demands every Indians will ask for it .
That sacrifice wouldnt go in vain.
RIP Lance Naik Koppad .
Nation will always proud of you.

App tou kuch jiyada hi jazbati ho gae

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Expecting sanity by baniyas . lolz . just have a look what they are worshipping .

 

[Donald Trump]

Demilitarize Siachen? But Pakistani troops are nowhere near Siachen. They are far West of the Saltoro Ridge which is itself West of Siachen!!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Should be no such thing vs Enemies

Pakistan should perhaps work on the Proper Insulated uniforms for Soldiers stationed and the food intake they take while on duty to help keep moral high

Looking at the Jackets these are not idea for Sub zero envionment

a) Better clothes / uniform of high quality insualation
b) Scientific meals for high nutritional content for warming meal
c) Rotation policy of soldiers (Troop carriage / transportation improvments)

The area I see improvements

a) Troop transportation / and support material
b) Better insulated warmer clothes
c) Machine units for soldiers to travel on

It really falls down to resources and transportation capabilities for these assets into plain ice areas


High % death ratios are likely due to bad choice for clothing , over exposure to elements and lack of proper nutrition which can be controlled with proper transportation units available which can transport goods in / out regularly

 

[surya kiran]

International help can be sought if both agree on demilitarizing it. Whoever violates the agreement should be punished.

Read the Kashmir Agreement. It will be amply clear, nobody has violated any agreement when India moved troops to Siachen.

Again, you are violating the Simla Agreement the minute you ask for international mediation. Typical Pak strategy. Sign document without reading and then cry about it.

 

[Vapnope]

Again, you are violating the Simla Agreement the minute you ask for international mediation. Typical Pak strategy.

Not so fast honey. What i meant was if both countries can sign and agreement and take international help in case of guarantor i don't see a problem in that. And international pressure is the thing no matter you are supa pawa or not. It happened in Kargil, in 1971 and in 1965 as well.

Sign document without reading and then cry about it.

I said bilateral agreement to avoid losses on both sides, if you have comprehension problem or eyesight weakness i can help you in both.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

If any Indian believes that Pakistan Army is not going to repeat a Kargil like act in Siachin the very next day of Indian troops pulling out... lets look at history:

In 1983: SSG Company was sent to Bilafond La in summer of 1983 but had to fall back as they were not equipped for winter.
In 1984: India pre-empted the Pakistani Army planned move.

Since then, Pakistan has one small post that Pakistan has in the Central Glacier, which she retained by backtracking on the physical agreement by both parties to vacate during initial years of occupation of Saltoro Range.

The fact today is that no Pakistani soul or bird is anywhere close to Siachen Glacier.

India is at a strategic advantage at Siachin... why would India give it away?

 

[Super Falcon]

they are only doing it bcos indian presence in siachen is a strategic disadvantage to pak side since it gives us better fighting position.
same as in kargil,they took position on higher ground resulting in high indian casualty.
if we leave now,and they pull off another kargil(which we can never trust them if they will not do it again) it will be another bloodbath on indian side.

One way or other people die atleast give a chance to a thing which result in proper shut down to death toll in siachin for both nation

 

[PDF]

A good proposal. If India does not welcome it, then so be it. There should not be military presence at such a location.

 

[$@rJen]

A good proposal. If India does not welcome it, then so be it. There should not be military presence at such a location.

India won't demilitarize it. Our defence Minister already stated 3 days ago. of course there shouldn't be a Military presence in such area, i blame Pakistan for it for starting it and India for following it

 

[ejaz007]

Opportunism of the most despicable kind.

The reason Siachin has not been and cannot be demilitarised thus far is because the Pakistani side has REFUSED to share the Actual Ground Postion Line (AGPL) with the Indian side to date. The reason being, doing so would be an admission that Pakistan doesn't hold an inch of the Siachin glacier and is present only on the lower ground with the IA posts overlooking them.


Unless the Pakistani side has changed their stance and is now willing to share the AGPL then what has changed? Being on the lower ground it is actually the PA that is most at risk of natural calamities, a withdrawel by the IA now without Pakistan providing the AGPL would be a disgrace to the 800+ brave Indians who have laid down their lives holding Siachin for their country.

Who started the war?

Why did India send in army in Siachin?

Did Pakistan Invade?

It is easy to comment sitting in luxury homes. Care to visit Siachin for a day or too. I bet you would even be willing to settle Kashmir if posted in Siachin.