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Pakistan National Anthem (Quami Tarana) Persian Myth

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I have no idea why people insist on claiming that our national anthem is written in Persian...every single word in the verses are used in Urdu, and can be found in any Urdu dictionary.

Urdu heavily borrowed from Persian when Khariboli and Persian came in contact with one another during the Mughul Empire in the 14th century AD, which led to the formation of Urdu. But at least half were in turn adopted into Persian from Arabic, so why not claim that the anthem is in Arabic too? Urdu and Persian have common words, that doesn't turn Urdu into Persian either.

English borrows heavily from Latin and French, doesn't mean it is "Latinized English" or "French English"? Urdu borrows from Persian, Middle Indo-Aryan Languages (Khariboli) and Arabic but it's a separate language nevertheless. All the words in the National Anthem are Urdu. Just because they have commonality with Persian doesn't mean the lyrics are in Persian. Persian itself borrows heavily from Arabic. Does that make it Arabicized Persian? Finally, the author of the national anthem, Hafeez Jullundhri, was an Urdu language poet and did not write Persian poetry. So this means that he wrote the national anthem in Urdu. The fact that it has commonality with Persian is irrelevant and does not make it any less Urdu. Also, it doesn't make sense that if Urdu was declared the National Language of Pakistan, the National Anthem would be commissioned to be written in any language other than Urdu.

And what exactly is 'Persianized Urdu' anyway? Classical Urdu was always spoken and written like this. Urdu poetry is always written in this manner too and is never called Persianized Urdu. No one calls the poetry of Mir Taqi Mir, Iqbal, or Faiz Persianized Urdu. Equally ridiculous is the caption under the Urdu text of the anthem that says the anthem in Persianized Urdu... What does that mean? All Urdu is written in Nastaliq.

An anthem will always be written in classical vernacular and not street slang, so why repeatedly use an invented term (Persianized Urdu)?

And to see some stupid Pakistanis repeat this myth is just mind numbing. This is how URDU was traditionally spoken...just because you lot are illiterate in Urdu and weren't taught it properly, doesn't mean the Quami Tarana is in Persian...it just means you're a moron.
 
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I agree that Urdu, just like every other language, has had numerous languages influencing it, so the phrase "Persianized Urdu" is fairly ignorant, which also ignores Arabic influences on Persian, but as far as the national anthem goes, I do believe there was an active intention to use shared vocabulary to reflect the fact that Persian was once the official language of Mughal courts.

I speak decent Urdu, but imho a lot of these words are not commonly used outside poetry and specialised literature.
 
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I agree that Urdu, just like every other language, has had numerous languages influencing it, so the phrase "Persianized Urdu" is fairly ignorant, which also ignores Arabic influences on Persian, but as far as the national anthem goes, I do believe there was an active intention to use shared vocabulary to reflect the fact that Persian was once the official language of Mughal courts.

I speak decent Urdu, but imho a lot of these words are not commonly used outside poetry and specialised literature.
I second your view. The anthem mainly consists of those Urdu word that have Persian origin to reflect the historical importance of Persian under Muslim rule over subcontinent but more importantly a deliberate attempt was made by the founding fathers to move away from Hindu culture and more towards middle-eastern culture and I'm of the opinion that we need to follow this policy strictly so as to create a natural barrier. However Urdu has not been developed as a proper official language while English remains elusive and inaccessible for the masses.
 
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The Pakistani anthem is composed of REAL Urdu. What we speak on the street is not Urdu but a broken fusion of local and Urdu language. But I wouldn't really blame anyone for that, Urdu is a new language to us.
 
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I second your view. The anthem mainly consists of those Urdu word that have Persian origin to reflect the historical importance of Persian under Muslim rule over subcontinent but more importantly a deliberate attempt was made by the founding fathers to move away from Hindu culture and more towards middle-eastern culture and I'm of the opinion that we need to follow this policy strictly so as to create a natural barrier. However Urdu has not been developed as a proper official language while English remains elusive and inaccessible for the masses.
They should have chosen Persian as the national language.
 
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I have no idea why people insist on claiming that our national anthem is written in Persian...every single word in the verses are used in Urdu, and can be found in any Urdu dictionary.

Urdu heavily borrowed from Persian when Khariboli and Persian came in contact with one another during the Mughul Empire in the 14th century AD, which led to the formation of Urdu. But at least half were in turn adopted into Persian from Arabic, so why not claim that the anthem is in Arabic too? Urdu and Persian have common words, that doesn't turn Urdu into Persian either.

English borrows heavily from Latin and French, doesn't mean it is "Latinized English" or "French English"? Urdu borrows from Persian, Middle Indo-Aryan Languages (Khariboli) and Arabic but it's a separate language nevertheless. All the words in the National Anthem are Urdu. Just because they have commonality with Persian doesn't mean the lyrics are in Persian. Persian itself borrows heavily from Arabic. Does that make it Arabicized Persian? Finally, the author of the national anthem, Hafeez Jullundhri, was an Urdu language poet and did not write Persian poetry. So this means that he wrote the national anthem in Urdu. The fact that it has commonality with Persian is irrelevant and does not make it any less Urdu. Also, it doesn't make sense that if Urdu was declared the National Language of Pakistan, the National Anthem would be commissioned to be written in any language other than Urdu.

And what exactly is 'Persianized Urdu' anyway? Classical Urdu was always spoken and written like this. Urdu poetry is always written in this manner too and is never called Persianized Urdu. No one calls the poetry of Mir Taqi Mir, Iqbal, or Faiz Persianized Urdu. Equally ridiculous is the caption under the Urdu text of the anthem that says the anthem in Persianized Urdu... What does that mean? All Urdu is written in Nastaliq.

An anthem will always be written in classical vernacular and not street slang, so why repeatedly use an invented term (Persianized Urdu)?

And to see some stupid Pakistanis repeat this myth is just mind numbing. This is how URDU was traditionally spoken...just because you lot are illiterate in Urdu and weren't taught it properly, doesn't mean the Quami Tarana is in Persian...it just means you're a moron.

So i guess you use these words in your house hold on daily basis
when someone asks "kesy ho" you reply "bohot shad bad hoon"
or something "Ammi jan hum sham ko kishwar me walk kerny jain gye"

Urdu has borrowed word form many language and most from Persian, question is if a Persian speaker read Pakistani anthem will he understand every word of it...the answer is YES.
 
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So i guess you use these words in your house hold on daily basis
when someone asks "kesy ho" you reply "bohot shad bad hoon"
or something "Ammi jan hum sham ko kishwar me walk kerny jain gye"

Urdu has borrowed word form many language and most from Persian, question is if a Persian speaker read Pakistani anthem will he understand every word of it...the answer is YES.
That is cos most Pakistanis even Urdu speaking ones don't really speak Urdu. We just think we do.
We really speak something called "Hindustani" mixed up with Punjabi/Pukhto/Sindhi etc etc...

You know I am in Rawalpindi right now and when I go out and about to the Bazzars I try and speak Urdu as fully as I can (I am not that good but getting better), the times shopkeepers don't understand Urdu words and then I have to use English words and they get it.

What Dr Israr Ahmed spoke in his lectures and what the FM spoke at the UNGA was Urdu. And not sophisticated Urdu, just Urdu as by definition Urdu is sophisticated.

But you are right many Urdu words are Persian words.

So how come hardly any Pakistani speaks Persian?
 
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Really.... I think everyone fluently speaks or at least understands all over Pakistan.
You are joking.

No one in many local neighbourhood will know Persian unless he is an Afghan refugee or studying Persian at University.
 
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You are joking.

No one in many local neighbourhood will know Persian unless he is an Afghan refugee or studying Persian at University.
oh really..bro you were making it a national language right...
 
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