Pakistan is Looking to Import Long-range Surface-to-air Missiles From China

[StormBreaker]

This one can not counter either of the two.


I thought this India imploding from inside narrative is specific to Pakistan. I do not know that there are taker of this narrative outside Pakistan as well.

When a point is backed by multiple people, the opposing party must reconsider their thoughts....

 

[skyshadow]

US blocked our purchase of ATAK-129s. So even if Pak-Iran deal goes through US will definitely cause problems. It will be killing two birds with one stone.

really? you can not purchase ATAK-129s??

 

[Haris Ali2140]

really? you can not purchase ATAK-129s??

US has blocked the purchase but the TAI authorities are saying that the deliveries will on schedule.

 

[skyshadow]

I don't have enough technical information about rocket motors but I read in several sources that Iran's rocket motors ''are inferior against Russian and American rocket motors in quality and Iranian rocket motors creates more and darker / thicker smoke'' Might be just propaganda but normally Iran chooses Quantity - Cheaper price over qualty so it is not a bad thing. It is just a doctrine.
For Turkey. Yes Hisar-A creates very clean smoke, I hope we will continue this until Siper but still it is hard to tell after all Siper is not ready yet. But when you think in our doctrine we produce the best product we can produce, even if it is much more expensive, I really believe Siper will be one of its kind. Anyway, time will tell.
I agree we don't know what will happen after Trump. But I still believe it will take more time...

agreed time will only tell, no thats only for our liquid fuel motors we did not have a big solid fuel motor to copy so we built new ones, those have the quality, i did not heard that statement for Iran solid fuel motors

 

[Alipuriya]

How did iran get the tech to copy?

Iran got the tech from sanction

 

[khanasifm]

 

[jupiter2007]

US blocked our purchase of ATAK-129s. So even if Pak-Iran deal goes through US will definitely cause problems. It will be killing two birds with one stone.

Iran has nothing that they can offer to Pakistan and we don't need anything from them. Turkey will be Pakistan main partner in many defense projects in coming years.Turkey is working o n the TS1400 Turboshaft Engine for ATAK-129 but it won't be ready until 2022. If uncle SAM continue to block ATAK-129 sale, France and Poland are the options for the engine.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Iran has nothing that they can offer to Pakistan and we don't need anything from them. Turkey will be Pakistan main partner in many defense projects in coming years.Turkey is working o n the TS1400 Turboshaft Engine for ATAK-129 but it won't be ready until 2022. If uncle SAM continue to block ATAK-129 sale, France and Poland are the options for the engine.

It can be anything like oil and gas. Doesn't have to be weapons. And I am talking about a hypothetical situation.

Iran has nothing that they can offer to Pakistan and we don't need anything from them. Turkey will be Pakistan main partner in many defense projects in coming years.Turkey is working o n the TS1400 Turboshaft Engine for ATAK-129 but it won't be ready until 2022. If uncle SAM continue to block ATAK-129 sale, France and Poland are the options for the engine.

Why you think US blocked the sales???

 

[khansaheeb]

Meanwhile India testing nuke subs:-
https://www.rt.com/news/475730-india-arihant-submarine-nuclear-deterrence/

 

[God Parshuram]

When a point is backed by multiple people, the opposing party must reconsider their thoughts....

That depends on who are those multiple people and what is their credibility.

 

[Pak-Canuck]

This article is dated ONE YEAR ago

https://quwa.org/2018/12/05/pakistan-reportedly-seeking-fd-2000-long-range-anti-air-missiles/

good chances of it being procured by now?

 

[jupiter2007]

It can be anything like oil and gas. Doesn't have to be weapons. And I am talking about a hypothetical situation.


Why you think US blocked the sales???

They are not blocking the sale. They are not allowing American engine. If Turkey can persuade USA, we will have those birds in 2020 and 2021

 

[cabatli_53]

i have at most respect for Turkish systems too and well agreed we just can analyse from the numbers we have been given to but still they matter never the least, the smoke is from solid fuel it's like that every were in the world actually i was asking the same thing in Turkish forms how is come your missiles burn so clean??? the only fuel that could burn so clean is liquid fuel as you mentioned even US made missiles leave a smoke trail basically if its solid fuel its going to leave smokes be it Iran or Russia or China, yes but when Trump is gone no one can tell most likely next president will be in favor of dealing with Iran but as i said before if PK deals with Turkey they will go around the sanctions but if they deal with Iran they will get more powerful system and in shorter pride of times but they may have to deal with some threats of sanctions

It is about new generation polimer reactive composite solid fuel technologies Roketsan and Turkish universities have developed. Turkish composite fuels are insensitive and highly smokeless.

• ADN (Ammonium dinitramide) = Development completed successfully. (smokeless, insensitive composite rocket fuel which provides %10 more propulsion compared to other oxidizers.)
• AZP (Azido Polymer ) = Development completed successfully. (new generation, less smoky/smokeless, insensitive and a high energy polimer binder is capable of providing an increase in ballistic performance.)
• AO3105 (Antioksidan) = Development completed succesfully. (Used in flight engine composite solid rocket fuel and primer formulation of OMTAS missile)
• IPDI (Isophorone diisocyanate) = Development completed successfully. (Used as a curative in flight engine fuel and primer formulation of OMTAS missile)
• TDI (Toluene diisocyanate) = Development completed successfully. ( Toxic and highly reactive organic compound)
• EKZO (Synthetic Jet Fuel) = (1,5t capacity/year production, It is vital for air breathing cruise missiles)
• HNIW(HexaNitroHexaAzaIsoWurtzitane) = Development completed successfully. (That is very dangerous compound to synthesis and one of the most powerful explosives known today, more powerfull than RDX and HMX)

Results in terms of smoke

 

[skyshadow]

It is about new generation polimer reactive composite solid fuel technologies Roketsan and Turkish universities have developed. Turkish composite fuels are insensitive and highly smokeless.
View attachment 593888

• ADN (Ammonium dinitramide) = Development completed successfully. (smokeless, insensitive composite rocket fuel which provides %10 more propulsion compared to other oxidizers.)
• AZP (Azido Polymer ) = Development completed successfully. (new generation, less smoky/smokeless, insensitive and a high energy polimer binder is capable of providing an increase in ballistic performance.)
• AO3105 (Antioksidan) = Development completed succesfully. (Used in flight engine composite solid rocket fuel and primer formulation of OMTAS missile)
• IPDI (Isophorone diisocyanate) = Development completed successfully. (Used as a curative in flight engine fuel and primer formulation of OMTAS missile)
• TDI (Toluene diisocyanate) = Development completed successfully. ( Toxic and highly reactive organic compound)
• EKZO (Synthetic Jet Fuel) = (1,5t capacity/year production, It is vital for air breathing cruise missiles)
• HNIW(HexaNitroHexaAzaIsoWurtzitane) = Development completed successfully. (That is very dangerous compound to synthesis and one of the most powerful explosives known today, more powerfull than RDX and HMX)

Results in terms of smoke

wow i'm speechless i thought it was liquid fuel, that is a big achievement huge if i want to be honest, i wonder when we going to reach this level, that hybrid fuel burns very clean, solid fuel with 80% less smoke not even Russia and US shown that level of fuel efficiency you saw yesterday US missile test that thing smoked like a big vaping device. Iran is building 600 km anti ship cruise missile and supersonic cruise missile it would have been awesome to see them smokeless like this. congratulation that's something to be proud of.



i wonder why didn't you use this fuel in you ballistic missile

 

[messiach]

Nitroamines derivatives are unstable, difficult active preservation during storage and transport, production capacity is limited. Perhaps cocrystals are better stabilised during storage.

It is about new generation polimer reactive composite solid fuel technologies Roketsan and Turkish universities have developed. Turkish composite fuels are insensitive and highly smokeless.
View attachment 593888

• ADN (Ammonium dinitramide) = Development completed successfully. (smokeless, insensitive composite rocket fuel which provides %10 more propulsion compared to other oxidizers.)
• AZP (Azido Polymer ) = Development completed successfully. (new generation, less smoky/smokeless, insensitive and a high energy polimer binder is capable of providing an increase in ballistic performance.)
• TDI (Toluene diisocyanate) = Development completed successfully. ( Toxic and highly reactive organic compound)
• HNIW(HexaNitroHexaAzaIsoWurtzitane) = Development completed successfully. (That is very dangerous compound to synthesis and one of the most powerful explosives known today, more powerfull than RDX and HMX)