Pakistan is abandoning its LNG expansion plans because the fuel is too expensive, and instead will use more coal
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I dont know why they didnt think about this way in 2016 anyways dair ayed drust ayed but what will happen to already build lng plants all wasted?
also coal in pakistan is not of good quality too much sulphur in it and would need huge amount of water too in plant.
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that is soo wrong with pakistan
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This news of quadrupling coal production (currently 10% of our needs to 40% of our needs) has really made my day.
We need a plan to buy and do a ToT to build plant like this one in the UAE. Imagine if we could build the first one with China. And then build another 5-7 more on our own. The money would circulate in our domestic industrial sector and build up the supply Chains for other industries as well. Our steel mills would get major contracts and our workers would get major work and training and experience.
2400 MW ($3.4 Billion)
We should at least get 40% of our electricity from local coal and should be able to build the plants in our own country so our full electricity supply cycle is local.
We also need to build up the grid so we don’t have to ship the coal to plants all over the country.
Afterwards we can work on boosting domestic agricultural modernization to world level and making it indigenous as possible as well as all the tech to manage our water supply (and treatment plants) indigenously.
Domestic control of energy, food and water are the basics for independence from external shocks. If we can keep our costs down in these three areas we can then spend excess money on reinvesting in our industries to grow the economy.
Having these three things under control will also bring investors that want stability and reliability of supplies and resources
We need a plan to buy and do a ToT to build plant like this one in the UAE. Imagine if we could build the first one with China. And then build another 5-7 more on our own. The money would circulate in our domestic industrial sector and build up the supply Chains for other industries as well. Our steel mills would get major contracts and our workers would get major work and training and experience.
2400 MW ($3.4 Billion)
We should at least get 40% of our electricity from local coal and should be able to build the plants in our own country so our full electricity supply cycle is local.
We also need to build up the grid so we don’t have to ship the coal to plants all over the country.
Afterwards we can work on boosting domestic agricultural modernization to world level and making it indigenous as possible as well as all the tech to manage our water supply (and treatment plants) indigenously.
Domestic control of energy, food and water are the basics for independence from external shocks. If we can keep our costs down in these three areas we can then spend excess money on reinvesting in our industries to grow the economy.
Having these three things under control will also bring investors that want stability and reliability of supplies and resources
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We need to this. We need to do that.
Right now Pakistan needs to survive default and get rid of fuedal elites.
Pakistan will never ever have any investors as long as corrupt stooges are running around. The world isn't crazy and doesn't trust bandits. Even the staunchest ally China has backed off.
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Well because building coal plants gets no foreign funding
With LNG Plants you can easily get loans
Hence why we do opted for LNG
Thoar coal was discourage simply because PMLN wanted power plants in Punjab not Sindh near that..
The argument was lack of power supply line which would have cost 1b$ so we opted to spend 10s of billions in transport and expensive foreign coal
Why?This news of quadrupling coal production (currently 10% of our needs to 40% of our needs) has really made my day.
We need a plan to buy and do a ToT to build plant like this one in the UAE
2400 MW ($3.4 Billion)
We should at least get 40% of our electricity from local coal and should be able to build the plants in our own country so our full electricity supply cycle is local.
We also need to build up the grid so we don’t have to ship the coal to plants all over the country.
Afterwards we can work on boosting domestic agricultural modernization to world level and making it indigenous as possible as well as all the tech to manage our water supply (and treatment plants) indigenously.
Domestic control of energy, food and water are the basics for independence from external shocks. If we can keep our costs down in these three areas we can then spend excess money on reinvesting in our industries to grow the economy.
Having these three things under control will also bring investors that want stability and reliability of supplies and resources
You have unlimited hydro, coal, wind and solar opportunity
Why do you want to invent the wheal?
Problem in Pakistan isn't lack of resources that's a problem in Japan and bengaldesh
Problem "khata hey tu lagata be hey"
From my observation the current generation successful been taught this Nara so misery will continue
Hydro opportunities easily built as green funding is easy=60,000 mw
Solar= unlimited
Nuclear= unlimited as long as we debt finance it since China wants to offer
Coal= unlimited that coal
Wind= easily 60k mw
Problem= kahata hey tu lagata be hey
Hence why three dams got started and stopped in last 4 years
And none during last 40 years(except mangla and brotha in mushi era)
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Even if we have corrupt people, as long as they don’t kill the golden goose and keep electricity and food prices low and allow a level field for FDI to come in and exports to grow, we can still manage. We will always have corrupt people, but there needs to be limits on what they can touch and divert. It I agree, Subsidies to unproductive enterprises need to end. Money should go to what will make us money for the long term, education and better healthcare and cheap electricity.
It’s the most realistic way.
At least they are seeing the light and gifting to domestic coal.
Just wait for the world to chastise Pakistan for going for coal, even though we make only 25% of global coal emissions per capita. This is why we need to move fast and get technology to build these mega plants completely in house, so we can never be cut off and our plants to re-industrialize can not be stopped.
Also, they want to lower our birth rate (which we need to grow on track to attract investors for decades to come and counter balance Indian plans for hegemony), but despite the burden with more electricity and dams we can grow our arable land by 55% which is approximately how much our population is expected to grow by 2050. At the same time we just need to adopt modern agriculture technologies to grow our crop yields by 3-5x, giving us more than enough food for the people and money from value added products made from those crops through exports.
But for all this we need cheap cheap electricity.
From 7:50-9:00 (built to the highest emissions standards in the US, Europe/Germany and Japan)
Also according to this video, these plants require a lot of water. Hopefully this will galvanize the need to manage our water supply better, along with the need to control floods , through the buildings of the Pakistani flood control system. In this way a canal can be built along the coast (where industry should be build; near ports and away from entrenched political figures in new industrial cities like gwadar) and coal plants can be built on the coast. Hub is already located on the coast, it should expanded and and the gird extend to Gwadar so we can completely free of dependence on Iran
Btw, once the technology is acquired and one mega plant is built and operational, it can be a very visible project that could attract FDI from overseas Pakistanis looking to invest in domestic power plants and help the country for a modest profit on a BOT model (still cheaper then imported oil prices), so eventually the plant will be owned by the state and the electricity costs can be brought down even further. In this way, getting these plants online can happen faster and we can move away from imported oil and gas. With cheap electricity we can also switch to electric cars, motorcycles and rickshaws, perhaps even making them in Pakistan. Creating another industry that can export products to the world.
If we build these plants on the coast we can build a 300 mile electricity (for about $2.5 Billion) electric to Oman and even sell to the GCC. Allowing investors to recoup invest ASAP if the GCC agrees to the deal. Perhaps we can arrange for a GCC-Pakistan-India oil/gas pipeline so India would buy less oil from Iran, and Pakistan could ditch the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline. (India’s gonna buy oil and gas from the GCC, might as well make money off of it, and make it easier to attract a FDI for a new refinery)
Energy independence makes a huge difference in how a country’s prospects
COAL, BEAUTIFUL COAL
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I think this thread is just talk because election is 6 months away so nothing will be build and imran khan was already working on hydro dams.
Next govt will work on this and pmln will call its their plan like always
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Coal brings smog and that’s already an issue.
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fir na hi samjhain?
Bohat hi bade ********** hai.
Power generation is not a simple science.
You need a multi year plan.
Short term
- Increase energy prices to consumers
- Squeeze the IPPs as they are the main cause of huge debt (signed off by Noonies and Pipliyas)
- Work on renewable projects that can come online quick (wind, solar, biofuel etc)
- Current coal power plants can use a small mix of low quality local coal
- Do something about Iranian gas pipeline
- Ban energy guzzling electrical appliances
Medium term
- Build small scale hydro power projects
- Build power plants that rely on domestic raw materials (coal from Thar is of low quality)
- Look for offshore gas reserves
- Commission more nuclear plants
- Encourage residential to switch to renewals through net metering
Long term
- Build large scale hydro power projects
- Build large scale renewable energy projects
You can’t just make blanket statements on twitter. These boomer uncle bharways are leading us to nowhere.
Look at Sahiwal Coal Power Plant project. That project was an example of what not to do. You build a power plant bang in the middle of prime agricultural land, import coal, that needs to be transported via sea and then through rail to Sahiwal. And add to the fact the transmission overheads. How cheap electricity would the plant be producing. A huge f-ck up tbh.
Power generation is not a simple science.
You need a multi year plan.
Short term
- Increase energy prices to consumers
- Squeeze the IPPs as they are the main cause of huge debt (signed off by Noonies and Pipliyas)
- Work on renewable projects that can come online quick (wind, solar, biofuel etc)
- Current coal power plants can use a small mix of low quality local coal
- Do something about Iranian gas pipeline
- Ban energy guzzling electrical appliances
Medium term
- Build small scale hydro power projects
- Build power plants that rely on domestic raw materials (coal from Thar is of low quality)
- Look for offshore gas reserves
- Commission more nuclear plants
- Encourage residential to switch to renewals through net metering
Long term
- Build large scale hydro power projects
- Build large scale renewable energy projects
You can’t just make blanket statements on twitter. These boomer uncle bharways are leading us to nowhere.
Look at Sahiwal Coal Power Plant project. That project was an example of what not to do. You build a power plant bang in the middle of prime agricultural land, import coal, that needs to be transported via sea and then through rail to Sahiwal. And add to the fact the transmission overheads. How cheap electricity would the plant be producing. A huge f-ck up tbh.
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That’s why you want to build the most modern coal fired plants, like the one just build in the UAE. If Pakistan has cheaper (base load) electricity it can not only have the electricity but the money saved to put towards water treatment plants, pharmaceutical plants, modern agricultural equipment and food storage and other ways to improve people’s lives. Building them on the coast, away from most population will decrease the number of people exposed as well, if we build a modern energy grid.
Sure our coal isn’t the best, but if it’s cheap enough, it can be a stable and affordable base load.
Data on Thar coal, can anyone confirm:
Chemical Composition of Thar coal:
The weighted average chemical analysis of the coal samples of the four blocks
show variation and are as given below:
Moisture (%) 43.24 to 49.01
Ash (%) 5.18 to 6.56
Volatile Matter (%) 26.50 to 33.04
Fixed Carbon (%) 19.35 to 22.00
Sulphur (%) 0.92 to 1.34
Heating value (Btu/lb)
As Received 5780 to 6398
Dry 10723 to 11353
DAF 11605 to 12613
MMM Free 6101 to 6841
Compared to other coal:
Coal; Australian thermal coal; 12;000- btu/pound; less than 1% sulfur; 14% ash; FOB Newcastle/Port Kembla; US$ per metric ton.
So Pakistani coal will have to be sold to the power plants at less then half of Australian coal prices to be economically viable
Current price of Australian coal is ~$400/metric ton, so Pakistani coal has to be less than $200/ metric ton
What is current price of thar coal and what volume will need to be extracted to get the price to under $200 per metric ton
Australia Coal Price
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Source:
Efficient Use OF Thar Coal Deposits.
Aqil Khan Prospects of Underground Coal Gasification in view of the Specific Geological formation of Thar Coal Deposits. All...
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