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Pakistan has the highest Cancer rate in Asia

I said BMI 30 is bad. Tell me is a woman weighing 57 having a height of 5ft 2 inch which translates to 22 BMI bad??

but numbers cannot be the judgement without actually looking at the lady in question... as you mention below and as you mentioned earlier, bmi cannot be the measure of health and it depends on the weight distribution... for example, if the lady is double-chinned, she obviously needs to exercise her neck but if there is simple chubbiness under her chin, there is no problem at all.

so essentially, it depends on case by case.

BTW regarding rest of the post I also said BMI cannot be a perfect measure for health. Refer to post #34.
 
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not entirely true, okay some genes are mutated and can be hereditary but some cancers are just bad luck. As for red meat there is no strong association with red meat and cancer.

Bbqs featuring strongly in diets/smoked foods increase the chance of gastric cancers and have been proven through studies

True but so can bad air quality, whether it be factory smoke, car exhaust etc. And the risk of smoking is there but decreases with every year you have quit.

Evolution favoured them because they could survive the winters where food was scarce which is not the case today. BMI not over rated, rather our picture of health is wrong in this area.

Lifestyle-related factors and breast cancer risk
Having children
Women who have had no children or who had their first child after age 30 have a slightly higher breast cancer risk overall. Having many pregnancies and becoming pregnant at a young age reduce breast cancer risk overall. Still, the effect of pregnancy is different for different types of breast cancer. For a certain type of breast cancer known as triple-negative, pregnancy seems to increase risk.

Birth control
Oral contraceptives: Studies have found that women using oral contraceptives (birth control pills) have a slightly greater risk of breast cancer than women who have never used them. This risk seems to go back to normal over time once the pills are stopped. Women who stopped using oral contraceptives more than 10 years ago do not appear to have any increased breast cancer risk. When thinking about using oral contraceptives, women should discuss their other risk factors for breast cancer with their health care team.

Depot-medroxyprogesterone acetate (DMPA; Depo-Provera®) is an injectable form of progesterone that is given once every 3 months as birth control. A few studies have looked at the effect of DMPA on breast cancer risk. Women currently using DMPA seem to have an increase in risk, but the risk doesn’t seem to be increased if this drug was used more than 5 years ago.

Hormone therapy after menopause
Hormone therapy with estrogen (often combined with progesterone) has been used for many years to help relieve symptoms of menopause and to help prevent osteoporosis (thinning of the bones). Earlier studies suggested it might have other health benefits as well, but these benefits have not been found in more recent, better designed studies. This treatment goes by many names, such as post-menopausal hormone therapy (PHT), hormone replacement therapy (HRT), and menopausal hormone therapy (MHT).

There are 2 main types of hormone therapy. For women who still have a uterus (womb), doctors generally prescribe both estrogen and progesterone (known as combined hormone therapy or HT). Progesterone is needed because estrogen alone can increase the risk of cancer of the uterus. For women who no longer have a uterus (those who've had a hysterectomy), estrogen alone can be prescribed. This is commonly known as estrogen replacement therapy(ERT) or just estrogen therapy (ET).

Studies have shown that using combined hormone therapy after menopause increases the risk of getting breast cancer. It may also increase the chances of dying from breast cancer.

The use of estrogen alone after menopause does not appear to increase the risk of developing breast cancer.

For more information about this topic, see Menopausal Hormone Therapy and Cancer Risk.

Breastfeeding
Some studies suggest that breastfeeding may slightly lower breast cancer risk, especially if it is continued for 1½ to 2 years. But this has been a difficult area to study, especially in countries such as the United States, where breastfeeding for this long is uncommon.

One explanation for this possible effect may be that breastfeeding reduces a woman's total number of lifetime menstrual cycles (similar to starting menstrual periods at a later age or going through early menopause).

Drinking alcohol
The use of alcohol is clearly linked to an increased risk of developing breast cancer. The risk increases with the amount of alcohol consumed. Compared with non-drinkers, women who consume 1 alcoholic drink a day have a very small increase in risk. Those who have 2 to 5 drinks daily have about 1½ times the risk of women who don’t drink alcohol. Excessive alcohol consumption is also known to increase the risk of developing several other types of cancer.

Being overweight or obese
Being overweight or obese after menopause increases breast cancer risk. Before menopause your ovaries produce most of your estrogen, and fat tissue produces a small amount of estrogen. After menopause (when the ovaries stop making estrogen), most of a woman's estrogen comes from fat tissue. Having more fat tissue after menopause can increase your chance of getting breast cancer by raising estrogen levels. Also, women who are overweight tend to have higher blood insulin levels. Higher insulin levels have also been linked to some cancers, including breast cancer.

But the connection between weight and breast cancer risk is complex. For example, the risk appears to be increased for women who gained weight as an adult but may not be increased among those who have been overweight since childhood. Also, excess fat in the waist area may affect risk more than the same amount of fat in the hips and thighs. Researchers believe that fat cells in various parts of the body have subtle differences that may explain this.

Physical activity
Evidence is growing that physical activity in the form of exercise reduces breast cancer risk. The main question is how much exercise is needed. In one study from the Women's Health Initiative, as little as 1.25 to 2.5 hours per week of brisk walking reduced a woman's risk by 18%. Walking 10 hours a week reduced the risk a little more.

Unclear factors
Diet and vitamin intake
Many studies have looked for a link between what women eat and breast cancer risk, but so far the results have been conflicting. Some studies have indicated that diet may play a role, while others found no evidence that diet influences breast cancer risk. For example, a recent study found a higher risk of breast cancer in women who ate more red meat.

Studies have also looked at vitamin levels, again with inconsistent results. Some studies actually found an increased risk of breast cancer in women with higher levels of certain nutrients. So far, no study has shown that taking vitamins reduces breast cancer risk. This is not to say that there is no point in eating a healthy diet. A diet low in fat, low in red meat and processed meat, and high in fruits and vegetables might have other health benefits.

Most studies have found that breast cancer is less common in countries where the typical diet is low in total fat, low in polyunsaturated fat, and low in saturated fat. But many studies of women in the United States have not linked breast cancer risk to dietary fat intake. Researchers are still not sure how to explain this apparent disagreement. It may be at least partly due to the effect of diet on body weight (see below). Also, studies comparing diet and breast cancer risk in different countries are complicated by other differences (like activity level, intake of other nutrients, and genetic factors) that might also affect breast cancer risk.

More research is needed to understand the effect of the types of fat eaten on breast cancer risk. But it is clear that calories do count, and fat is a major source of calories. High-fat diets can lead to being overweight or obese, which is a breast cancer risk factor. A diet high in fat has also been shown to influence the risk of developing several other types of cancer, and intake of certain types of fat is clearly related to heart disease risk.

Chemicals in the environment
A great deal of research has been reported and more is being done to understand possible environmental influences on breast cancer risk.

Compounds in the environment that have estrogen-like properties are of special interest. For example, substances found in some plastics, certain cosmetics and personal care products, pesticides (such as DDE), and PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls) seem to have such properties. These could in theory affect breast cancer risk.

This issue understandably invokes a great deal of public concern, but at this time research does not show a clear link between breast cancer risk and exposure to these substances. Unfortunately, studying such effects in humans is difficult. More research is needed to better define the possible health effects of these and similar substances.

Tobacco smoke
For a long time, studies found no link between cigarette smoking and breast cancer. In recent years though, more studies have found that long-term heavy smoking is linked to a higher risk of breast cancer. Some studies have found that the risk is highest in certain groups, such as women who started smoking before they had their first child. The 2014 US Surgeon General’s report on smoking concluded that there is “suggestive but not sufficient” evidence that smoking increases the risk of breast cancer.

An active focus of research is whether secondhand smoke increases the risk of breast cancer. Both mainstream and secondhand smoke contain chemicals that, in high concentrations, cause breast cancer in rodents. Chemicals in tobacco smoke reach breast tissue and are found in breast milk.

The evidence on secondhand smoke and breast cancer risk in human studies is controversial, at least in part because the link between smoking and breast cancer hasn’t been clear. One possible explanation for this is that tobacco smoke may have different effects on breast cancer risk in smokers and in those who are just exposed to smoke.

A report from the California Environmental Protection Agency in 2005 concluded that the evidence about secondhand smoke and breast cancer is “consistent with a causal association” in younger, mainly premenopausal women. The 2014 US Surgeon General’s report concluded that there is “suggestive but not sufficient” evidence of a link at this point. In any case, this possible link to breast cancer is yet another reason to avoid secondhand smoke.

Night work
Several studies have suggested that women who work at night—for example, nurses on a night shift—may have an increased risk of developing breast cancer. This is a fairly recent finding, and more studies are looking at this issue. Some researchers think the effect may be due to changes in levels of melatonin, a hormone whose production is affected by the body's exposure to light, but other hormones are also being studied.

Controversial or disproven factors
Antiperspirants
Internet and e-mail rumors have suggested that chemicals in underarm antiperspirants are absorbed through the skin, interfere with lymph circulation, cause toxins to build up in the breast, and eventually lead to breast cancer.

Based on the available evidence (including what we know about how the body works), there is little if any reason to believe that antiperspirants increase the risk of breast cancer. For more information about this, see Antiperspirants and Breast Cancer Risk.

Bras
Internet and e-mail rumors and at least one book have suggested that bras cause breast cancer by obstructing lymph flow. There is no good scientific or clinical basis for this claim, and a recent study of more than 1,500 women found no association of bra use with breast cancer risk.

Induced abortion
Several studies have provided very strong data that neither induced abortions nor spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) have an overall effect on the risk of breast cancer. For more detailed information, read Is Abortion Linked to Breast Cancer?

Breast implants
Several studies have found that breast implants do not increase the risk of breast cancer, although silicone breast implants can cause scar tissue to form in the breast. Implants make it harder to see breast tissue on standard mammograms, but additional x-ray pictures called implant displacement views can be used to examine the breast tissue more completely.

Breast implants may be linked to a rare type of lymphoma called anaplastic large cell lymphoma. This lymphoma has rarely been found in the breast tissue around the implants. So far, though, there are too few cases to know if the risk of this lymphoma is really higher in women that have implants.

What are the risk factors for breast cancer?


As for red meat, any animal injected with any sort of hormones will cause you to have adverse effects to your body. This does not mean the meat is bad, but rather what we are doing to the meat is bad and the milk is also treated to the same therapy to increase milk output.
I am a doctor so know about the etiology of cancer. I for one advocate increase the fish consumption while reducing the red meat.
 
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Smoking is a curse dear, it must be stopped before its too late. it strikes in throat or now days most commonly in lungs which is mostly fatal, my treatment stopped in January this year now i am on watch out for 3 years for any possible relapse.
It's really heartwarming to see that you are safe. May god keep you that way.
I wish you all the best :)
 
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Evolution favoured them because they could survive the winters where food was scarce which is not the case today.

not just in the ice regions... the saharan country of mauritania has a cultural preference for the chubby ladies and they suffer no greater health defects than some exercise-fanatic broccoli/salad-chewing fashionable female in other places.

also, i would say that the world war years especially in europe and it consequent food scarcity had a effect on female maturity ( took more years ) and certain cultural factors made them promote the thinner female which now has become de facto fashion.

BMI not over rated, rather our picture of health is wrong in this area.

but if our picture of health in this area is not clear, how can bmi ( a recent invention ) be declared as the deciding factor ??
 
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I am a doctor so know about the etiology of cancer. I for one advocate increase the fish consumption while reducing the red meat.
I am a doctor also, let us tag a another doctor here
The result of the study u state has many factors missing. Read the study then we will talk, the form of red meat taken, the red meat being organic, and the processed forms etc, hormones injected versus no hormones injected. Read more then the headlines.
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Breast cancer link to higher red meat consumption greeted with scepticism | Society | The Guardian

not just in the ice regions... the saharan country of mauritania has a cultural preference for the chubby ladies and they suffer no greater health defects than some exercise-fanatic broccoli/salad-chewing fashionable female in other places.
Most models you see are around BMI of 17-18 . anything above 22.5 is risky

but if our picture of health in this area is not clear, how can bmi ( a recent invention ) be declared as the deciding factor ??
explain this please
 
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The result of the study u state has many factors missing. Read the study then we will talk, the form of red meat taken, the red meat being organic, and the processed forms etc, hormones injected versus no hormones injected. Read more then the headlines.
I for one quite sceptic of health effects of hormones given to cows . gastric secretion destroys all kind of hormones except thyroid hormone. BTW if antibiotics are used they are indeed bad. I for one dont take red meat at all. Fish and vegetables all the way. That too sea fish.
 
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I am a doctor so know about the etiology of cancer. I for one advocate increase the fish consumption while reducing the red meat.
Professor Valerie Beral, director of the cancer epidemiology unit at Oxford University, and leader of the Million Women's Study into the causes of the disease, said that there could be little confidence in such dietary-based studies.

"Dozens and dozens of studies have looked at breast cancer risk associated with some aspect of diet," she said. "The totality of the available evidence indicates that red meat consumption has little or no effect on breast cancer risk, so results from a single study cannot be considered in isolation.

"Diet is notoriously difficult to measure. The most reliable measure of meat consumption is whether or not people are vegetarian. Vegetarians do not have lower risks of breast cancer than non-vegetarians, further supporting other evidence that meat consumption is unlikely to play a major role in breast cancer."

I for one quite sceptic of health effects of hormones given to cows . gastric secretion destroys all kind of hormones except thyroid hormone. BTW if antibiotics are used they are indeed bad. I for one dont take red meat at all. Fish and vegetables all the way. That too sea fish.
 
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I for one quite sceptic of health effects of hormones given to cows . gastric secretion destroys all kind of hormones except thyroid hormone. BTW if antibiotics are used they are indeed bad. I for one dont take red meat at all. Fish and vegetables all the way. That too sea fish.
Which fish exactly...am in north india. And which fish supplement brands are good.
 
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Professor Valerie Beral, director of the cancer epidemiology unit at Oxford University, and leader of the Million Women's Study into the causes of the disease, said that there could be little confidence in such dietary-based studies.

"Dozens and dozens of studies have looked at breast cancer risk associated with some aspect of diet," she said. "The totality of the available evidence indicates that red meat consumption has little or no effect on breast cancer risk, so results from a single study cannot be considered in isolation.

"Diet is notoriously difficult to measure. The most reliable measure of meat consumption is whether or not people are vegetarian. Vegetarians do not have lower risks of breast cancer than non-vegetarians, further supporting other evidence that meat consumption is unlikely to play a major role in breast cancer."
Western style of preparation is quite different from us , we south Asians use quite a lot oil and ghee. Ghee gets deposited as fat and coverts the adrenal testosterone to estrone and estriols which may increase the chance of ER PR sensitive breast cancer.

Which fish exactly...am in north india. And which fish supplement brands are good.
I use fresh fish not fish oils. If you want take fish oil then seven seas is good. If you want to be more healthier option then algal oil supplements are even better.
 
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Western style of preparation is quite different from us , we south Asians use quite a lot oil and ghee. Ghee gets deposited as fat and coverts the adrenal testosterone to estrone and estriols which may increase the chance of ER PR sensitive breast cancer.


I use fresh fish not fish oils. If you want take fish oil then seven seas is good. If you want to be more healthier option then algal oil supplements are even better.
Thanks...have used from gnc brand but I feel it increases my susceptibility or lowers immunity to cold...I smoke n drink n work hard. I truly believe that fish can be a good solution against heart diseases.worked with some bongs. They smoke a lot but might be having less heart and cancer probs. Is it common to have cold with these fish supplements. I can't have fish regularly...can't cook at home
 
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Thanks...have used from gnc brand but I feel it increases my susceptibility or lowers immunity to cold...I smoke n drink n work hard. I truly believe that fish can be a good solution against heart diseases.worked with some bongs. They smoke a lot but might be having less heart and cancer probs. Is it common to have cold with these fish supplements. I can't have fish regularly...can't cook at home
Yeah one of my teacher had a paper presentation on this aspect of incidence of copd in fishing communities. And according to him it protect against copd and may be cancer. BTW my advice eat more vegetables and don't smoke. Occasional drinking is not bad. Algal oil supplements are better than fish oil. Buy those.
 
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Most models you see are around BMI of 17-18 . anything above 22.5 is risky

the "thin model" diktat of the last many decades comes from three reasons, (a). the clothes must be the focus, which would not be the case if the female model was voluptuous thereby eyes on the model's body and not on the clothes, (b). over time, many male fashion designers were homosexual which made them prefer the androgynous look for the female rather than something attractive ( feminine ) to the heterosexual male, (c). the "health and wellness" industry creating and encouraging a artificial need for "health products" and techniques and clothing that fits the thinner female... for example, milk in india that has been removed of its necessary fat content ( for use as separate sale products ) is now called "toned milk" and is promoted as the "essential health product" which is supposedly drunk by the "fit and fine" fashionistas of the ramp and films.

so the "thin model" construct is entirely of modern culture and capitalist economics.

this is changing in three ways, (a). popularization of "plus size" models and fashion shows, (b). speaking against fashion magazines applying thinning photoshop filters to fashion shoots of female models, (c). acts like this ( France's Thin-Model Ban Would Include Jail Time, Major Fines - TIME )...
According to a bill passed by the lower house of France’s Parliament Friday, models would be required to present bills of health listing their body mass index (BMI) as greater than 18 before they could be hired for a job, and they would be required to maintain that weight for a few weeks afterward. Casting directors at agencies or companies knowingly hiring underweight models could be imprisoned for up to six months or fined 75,000 euros (about $82,000).


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explain this please

just that... i don't remember "body mass index" evaluation 15 years ago.

in india, until some years ago, eggs were promoted by the central government on the main government tv channel, doordarshan... in the last few years, the "health and wellness" industry got eggs declared as bad for health and that tagged into the cultural prejudices of the vegetarian lot in india, among whom were many doctors.

bmi issue is the same... a promotion of commercially-vested groups rather than something genuine... i would say a thinner female is aesthetically not pleasing but "vlcc", the largest slimming center chain in india, would deluge me with bmi statistics.
 
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A simple breast examination,,,ladies can do it theselves,,u just have to touch urslf n feel for lumps,,,,n a compulsory mammogram for mature ladies will definitely help.
btw newer ocp's r safe n have far less association with breast cancer...
 
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Yeah one of my teacher had a paper presentation on this aspect of incidence of copd in fishing communities. And according to him it protect against copd and may be cancer. BTW my advice eat more vegetables and don't smoke. Occasional drinking is not bad. Algal oil supplements are better than fish oil. Buy those.
Algal..is it same as algae oil...which brand?

the "thin model" diktat of the last many decades comes from three reasons, (a). the clothes must be the focus, which would not be the case if the female model was voluptuous thereby eyes on the model's body and not on the clothes, (b). over time, many male fashion designers were homosexual which made them prefer the androgynous look for the female rather than something attractive ( feminine ) to the heterosexual male, (c). the "health and wellness" industry creating and encouraging a artificial need for "health products" and techniques and clothing that fits the thinner female... for example, milk in india that has been removed of its necessary fat content ( for use as separate sale products ) is now called "toned milk" and is promoted as the "essential health product" which is supposedly drunk by the "fit and fine" fashionistas of the ramp and films.

so the "thin model" construct is entirely of modern culture and capitalist economics.

this is changing in three ways, (a). popularization of "plus size" models and fashion shows, (b). speaking against fashion magazines applying thinning photoshop filters to fashion shoots of female models, (c). acts like this ( France's Thin-Model Ban Would Include Jail Time, Major Fines - TIME )...



this vid (((
))) describes the "ideal female figure" down the ages.



just that... i don't remember "body mass index" evaluation 15 years ago.

in india, until some years ago, eggs were promoted by the central government on the main government tv channel, doordarshan... in the last few years, the "health and wellness" industry got eggs declared as bad for health and that tagged into the cultural prejudices of the vegetarian lot in india, among whom were many doctors.

bmi issue is the same... a promotion of commercially-vested groups rather than something genuine... i would say a thinner female is aesthetically not pleasing but "vlcc", the largest slimming center chain in india, would deluge me with bmi statistics.
Don't know with socialists but have seen people in 30s working for capitalist organizations suffering from serious bp and heart problems leading to strokes. Socialism might be better solution but looking for better diets right now...cheers its Friday
 
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Western style of preparation is quite different from us , we south Asians use quite a lot oil and ghee. Ghee gets deposited as fat and coverts the adrenal testosterone to estrone and estriols which may increase the chance of ER PR sensitive breast cancer.
Ghee is used in all foods not just red meat and it is harmful for any one, not only red meat users :)

in india, until some years ago, eggs were promoted by the central government on the main government tv channel, doordarshan... in the last few years, the "health and wellness" industry got eggs declared as bad for health and that tagged into the cultural prejudices of the vegetarian lot in india, among whom were many doctors.
Eggs are one of the cheapest and most complete source of proteins I will not get into this debate as it is cultural as well
bmi issue is the same... a promotion of commercially-vested groups rather than something genuine... i would say a thinner female is aesthetically not pleasing but "vlcc", the largest slimming center chain in india, would deluge me with bmi statistics.
BMI is a very variable thing, but it is the basis of health. having layers of fat may be attractive to some but it is not healthy. Health is defined by different factors, but excess weight is linked to many diseases. You for one should not go for looks but rather fitness. A person is fit when they have less fat and more muscles which is why BMI is one of the test, others are checking fat levels via an assortment of tests, both physical and blood.

n a compulsory mammogram for mature ladies will definitely help.
btw newer ocp's r safe n have far less association with breast cancer...
The mammogram I agree with. OCP, the new ones have no extended trials through which you can make this claim
 
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