Pakistan has great potential to grow in near term: US

[maximuswarrior]

Hope our relation improve in future with U.S.A, we should try to increase export , there are many things we can do .

Other than backstabbing and accusations nothing will happen. The reason is India. India gets to dictate US policy on Pakistan. You need to get realistic.

The bitter truth is that Pakistan is destined to have excellent relations with China and Russia. This is the reality and it would be a good thing if everyone embraced it.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Hope our relation improve in future with U.S.A, we should try to increase export , there are many things we can do .

No way, we should decrease our reliance on USA as much as possible.
USA should have the smallest portion of our exports.

 

[maximuswarrior]

No way, we should decrease our reliance on USA as much as possible.
USA should have the smallest portion of our exports.

Let me be even more blunt. Every aspect of our relationship with the US is somehow bound by blackmail and conditions. Nothing in this relationship is based on mutual understanding and respect. It reeks with dishonesty and hatred.

There is a reason why we have reached this ugly stage today. Both sides can pretend to hold talks, but it will have zero impact on the ground.

The US has decided to team up with India to undermine China. Pakistan has excellent relations with China. Pakistan won't undermine China and become part of US design to isolate China. That will never happen.

US Pakistan interests collide on every single level. We belong in different camps. These differences cannot be bridged.

 

[Trango Towers]

There is a sudden urge from the American side to engage with Pakistan. There is a reason of course. The US think tanks are realizing that Pakistan is drifting away and relying more on China. No matter how deep the Americans get in bed with their Indian buddies, they cannot afford to let Pakistan slip away.

Pakistan will do well by investing in regional development. The US is not a sincere partner for Pakistan. They have unreal expectations and we cannot deliver on any of them.

Also saudi money on the table re CPEC. America now knows to destry this project will require war and China wont stay out. So it has a choice piss off another gereation of pakistanis or surrender their ill designs. Pakistan either way will go on

 

[war&peace]

Then we should not depend on USA or export little to USA. We need to find alternatives to USA.

Can't be done overnight... Will take years
BTW current govt may not be corrupt but I'm not very sure about their competency..I don't say they are incompetent but we need to wait and see if they can think out of the box regarding the major issues concerning Pakistan.

Of course for KSA/GCC to give Pakistan such institutional preferances is asking for too much. Meantime our gullible masses croak "brotherhood".

You might not. But SMQ knows Pakistan needs America. Most of our exports go there. You need to learn from the Chinese.

According to some elders who have experience. Pakistan and Pakistanis used to get preferences in 60's, 70's and even 80's . You can find out if you just do a little homework. The relations nose-dived after BB assumed office and then it kept going down as NS and BB played the musical chair and then Mushy was the same as far as the interest of the common man is concerned.

Things might have been different however let us not forget how US conveniently supported corrupt and military regimes in Pakistan because they were following the US agenda. Cleaner people like Liaqat Ali Khan when told the US to vacate the Peshawar base, resulted in an Afghan killing him. Bhutto wanted to make Pakistan the financial capital of the Islamic world, told US we will eat grass but make nukes, resulted in US making an example out of him. Zia after passing his useful life for the US also met the same faith. Point being i dont think with the US results would be any different with saner or cleaner people because US all along saw Pakistan as a means towards an end, first against communism, cold war and now against terrorism. If regimes supported US version, they were all hailed, if disagreed they were killed.
This is why i fear for IK's life. He is one of those people who will never tag the US line.

Mate, I'm not saying uncle sam is an angel...no far from it...but we should not ignore our weaknesses..uncle tries to bring a change in its favour everywhere in the world but it only succeeds where it finds loopholes, traitors and idiots.. I think uncle would have loved to do the same in China, NK, Russia..but it failed miserably...and after its failure in in Turkey..it is no secret...but you have to see that people of these countries have a higher level of awareness and integrity while our establishment has always bowed down..Who signed NRO? Was it is not the stinky rat Mushy and Gen. Kiyani? Why did they not reject it ?
If we just keep blaming external agents and always ignore the insiders..we will keep suffering. This time your establishment took a stand so we got our own made in Pakistan government.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

According to some elders who have experience. Pakistan and Pakistanis used to get preferences in 60's, 70's and even 80's

That's because they still were not arrogant. The oil boom began to take off after 1972. By 1980s they were getting their heads in clouds and only whoye skin was good enough. Thus USA and Europe. And for everything else India.

 

[Trango Towers]

..And we will make sure that Pakistan never get to achieve that Potential : US

They plot and i plot and i am the best of plotters

 

[Yankee-stani]

That's because they still were not arrogant. The oil boom began to take off after 1972. By 1980s they were getting their heads in clouds and only whoye skin was good enough. Thus USA and Europe. And for everything else India.

Sums up why I hate Gulf Arabs and in general hate Pakistanis larping as Arabs and thinking they are our "brothers" when they keep stabbing our backs anyways they only need us when they want young blokes who became radicals join their wahhabi ideology and fight their wars

 

[Verve]

Also saudi money on the table re CPEC. America now knows to destry this project will require war and China wont stay out. So it has a choice piss off another gereation of pakistanis or surrender their ill designs. Pakistan either way will go on

Would be not so that Saudi investment came after the go ahead by USA?

 

[LeGenD]

Then we should not depend on USA or export little to USA. We need to find alternatives to USA.

Some members have little idea of Industrial realities of Pakistan, and fail to see the bigger picture accordingly.

Money talks; bullshit walks

The aforementioned saying is absolutely valid for Industrial practices. One of my cousins joined textile industry and he mentioned that US is an important customer in this business. He also pointed out that India and Bangladesh have important roles in the supply chain.

I was in retailing industry for a decade (IT related), and American goods were among the most profitable in my business such as from Intel, Kingston, Creative, HP, DELL, and NVIDIA. TP-Link (Chinese) and Acer (Taiwanese) were also in demand.

US is a huge customer base and also offer high quality goods; hard to overlook. There are certain business types which cannot be profitable minus Americans as customers and/or American goods. There is a reason why US is the largest export destination for Pakistani goods.

Pakistan needs a sincere leadership to manage its interests, pursue a balanced foreign policy, and transform itself into a global hub of investment where anybody is welcome to invest. In this manner, Pakistan will not be easy to exploit.

Do you think that by restricting our worldview to Turkey, China and Russia only, we will do just fine? You will be burying your head in the sand instead.

Pakistan should have constructive relations with over half of the world, if it is to prosper. Learn from China.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Some members have little idea of Industrial realities of Pakistan, and fail to see the bigger picture accordingly.

Money talks; bullshit walks

The aforementioned saying is absolutely valid for Industrial practices. One of my cousins joined textile industry and he mentioned that US is an important customer in this business. He also pointed out that India and Bangladesh have important roles in the supply chain.

I was in retailing industry for a decade (IT related), and American goods were among the most profitable in my business such as from Intel, Kingston, Creative, HP, DELL, and NVIDIA. TP-Link (Chinese) and Acer (Taiwanese) were also in demand.

US is a huge customer base and also offer high quality goods. Hard to overlook. There are certain business types which cannot be profitable minus Americans as customers and American goods.

Pakistan needs a sincere leadership to manage its interests, pursue a balanced foreign policy, and transform itself into a global hub of investment where anybody is welcome to invest. In this manner, Pakistan will not be easy to exploit.

Do you think that by restricting our worldview to Turkey, China and Russia only, we will do just fine? You will be burying your head in the sand instead.

Pakistan should have conatructive relations with over half of the world.

I never said ignore USA completely, bhai. I just meant reduce trade with USA to a minimum percentage of our exports. Make USA have the least amount of our exports. I understand USA is a large market. There can be alternatives to find if we are smart enough.

 

[LeGenD]

I never said ignore USA completely, bhai. I just meant reduce trade with USA to a minimum percentage of our exports. Make USA have the least amount of our exports. I understand USA is a large market. There can be alternatives to find if we are smart enough.

Corporations do not let go of their source of profits, period. Very hard to establish a customer base; very easy to ruin it. Business men would rather give vote to politicians who understand their concerns. Existing government fully understand this.

If it was possible for Pakistan to substitute US in the realm of exports (and vice versa), it might have but this is not the case because their are not many buyers out there, for Pakistani goods unfortunately. Bro, you need to look beyond wishful thinking.

US buy from us because it is a consumer-driven economy. This is why we have surplus trade with them. China, on the other hand, is exports-driven economy. This is why we have enormous trade deficit with China.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Corporations do not let go of their source of profits, period. Very hard to establish a customer base; very easy to ruin it. Business men would rather give vote to politicians who understand their concerns. Existing government fully understand this.

If it was possible for Pakistan to substitute US in the realm of exports (and vice versa), it might have but this is not the case because their are not many buyers out there, for Pakistani goods unfortunately. Bro, you need to look beyond wishful thinking.

US buy from us because it is a consumer-driven economy. This is why we have surplus trade with them. China, on the other hand, is exports-driven economy. This is why we have enormous trade deficit with China.

Agree with you with to some extent. But we should still try to reduce trade with USA to a minimum.