Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

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USAF active and retired
Various US state Air National Guards
30 Danish F-16AM
60 Dutch F-16AM
46 Norwegian F-16A
43 Belgian F-16A
30 Portuguese F-16
200+ Turkish F-16
63 Jordanian F-16

Norway doesn't have any F-16's - anymore.

They sold 'em all to Romania for pennies.

 

[FuturePAF]

Norway doesn't have any F-16's - anymore.

They sold 'em all to Romania for pennies.

Thanks for the clarification. Sad the PAF couldn’t pick them up for Pennies or even nickels and dimes.

 

[Signalian]

with the threat of War with Russia looming, europe won't be willing to sell their F-16s.

Europe should be looking to get more F-35/UCAVs based on this opportunity instead of relying on F-16s which they have slated for retirement.

Pakistan has two options outside of US suppliers if that is an issue for an agreement for an upgrade. The Ozgur from the Turks or a Leonardo Upgrade by the Italians.

But realistically if they approve an upgrade they are gonna want the deal for US companies.

The F-16V upgrade is the same the Taiwanese will get and the US may not want the PAF to have the same sub-systems integrated into networks/datalinks with Chinese equipment operated by the PAF, potentially revealing some capabilities.

Looking back at an old post of mine from 3 1/2 years ago, the global used F-16 inventories that could be plausible source of air frames would be:

USAF active and retired
Various US state Air National Guards
30 Danish F-16AM
60 Dutch F-16AM
46 Norwegian F-16A
43 Belgian F-16A
30 Portuguese F-16
200+ Turkish F-16
63 Jordanian F-16

Unlikely the Turks will sell when they have their own needs. Jordan looks like the best option. Greece would be a long shot, hence why I did not include them.

Even if V-upgrade comes 5-10 years later for PAF, it doesn't really impact that much.

 

[Signalian]

My guess is around 18 Jordanian MLUs, giving us an A/B/C/D fleet of 93 Vipers. Then we upgrade all of them to V standard and order another sqd of 18 new Vs giving us a total of 121 F-16Vs split into 7 combat Sqds plus CCS/Aggressors unit.
Add that to say 4 J-10 units and 10 JF-17 units you are looking at a 21 Squadron force and final retirement of all Mirages and F-7PGs

PAF has 16 combat squadrons, 4 combat and training squadrons, and 3 squadrons under CCS including Aggressors. This includes 5 Mirage combat squadrons and 1 Mirage CCS squadron. The Mirage replacement becomes tricky with the various types of weapons Mirage can carry. If those weapons can be integrated on J-10 and JFT, the role transfer can be smooth.

F-16 can then replace the remaining 2 F-7PG squadrons from the options you mentioned.

 

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PAF & F16 Fighting Falcon. Lethal Combination.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Turkey has the access to carry out ÖZGÜR upgrade on those variants.

Can the ÖZGÜR also fire AMRAAMs in addition to the home grown Turkish weapons systems ?

 

[Tank131]

Can the ÖZGÜR also fire AMRAAMs in addition to the home grown Turkish weapons systems ?

One needs to ask if the Ozgur upgrade were ready, why has Turkey not started rolling it out and why has it requested SABR upgrades?

 

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F-16D Block 52+ multirole fighter on a training sortie above Punjab

 

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F-16C Block 52+ Featuring 4 AIM-120Cs and 2 AIM-9s plus a SNIPER pod

 

[FuturePAF]

Has the PAF approached the Belgians? Perhaps once the current Ukraine war dies down or because of it and the Belgians modernize and acquire the F-35 starting in 2023, are there any indications the PAF has approached them to acquire their F-16s?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586765097740943362

The assembly of the first two Belgian F-35s has started in Italy, according to Lockheed Martin

The assembly of the first two F-35A Lightning II fighter planes intended for the Belgian Air Force has begun in Italy, with a view to their delivery next

www.aviation24.be

 

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[Scorpiooo]

According to another user they may get approved for new F-16s from other countries

New from other country, only usa manufacturing them , on other hamd semi new block 52 are there with Egyptian and Iraqis

Getting approval from US Congress that has a very strong indian lobby will be a challenge. No so much on used airframes esp. from 3rd countries.

May be they already got Green signal

 

[Scorpiooo]

Hi,

If pakistan can pay, there is no problem getting new F16's.

Now will the uS sell the one with aesa---???

Very rear chances due indian lobby