Pakistan extends Afghan refugees stay until end of 2016

[ConcealCarry]

We will never learn how and when to play our cards right

 

[somebozo]

Nice attempt but Afghanistan is too dangerous to work in for any foreigner for any economic benefit.. It will unstable the security apparatus too... something which is on a bit track..

All the refugees tilling in Pakistan can be put to work on these mining projects.

Why the Wakhan Belt can not get off my mind when i see a map like that...

True..Pakistan should annex this area and Afghanistan no longer has any strategic value for connection to central asia...

 

[maximuswarrior]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1132923/pakistan-extends-afghan-refugees-stay-says-ambassador/

Wrong decision:

Afghan refugees must return now to Afghanistan but then again as I always maintained GHQ is just using this issue in the greater give and take game and won't deport all Afghans because its a card in the negotiations table and also those Afghan refugees is a good source of foot soldiers for AF talis.

So why doesn't the Afghan government set an example and start the repatriation process by itself? Who is stopping the Afghan government? Also, the Afghan government should dissuade Afghan citizens from visiting Pakistan. The Afghan government could do a lot to take back their citizens. Pointing fingers at others won't help your cause. Essentially, you can't take care of your own people.

 

[PDF]

I can not understand why everyone have gone nuts? I hope you people were not expecting no extension? It would be stupid to consider that in the current scenario. You thought all Afghans will return back when the deadline expires in a month or something. It is something not possible.

Afghan refugees are here since 3 decades and their return will be gradually and can take many years. The government is working to send them back in coordination with UNHCR. Well, if you were bashing government just for the sake of bashing, then I guess it can not be helped.

Rather than living in a dream, you people should live in the reality and its limitations. You people need to understand what is practically implementable and what is not.

 

[A-Team]

true -- sorry for the short response I'm just up to my eyeballs with work today:

1. Yes, Agree, it is impractical to deport all Afghan refugees -- we're talking about 3 million people in one go -- even if it were it is unnecessary as it reduces the calibrate-ability of the response.
a. Plus, there may be a violent blow back -- many of these guys will not go quietly -- you take away people's homes and they do crazy things and the Afghan refugees have little to loose
2. But Pakistan may say deport 100,000 of the least desirable refugees: criminals, unskilled labor especially from KPK and Karachi (possibly from Punjab too) -- this will add severe pressure on Kabul
- it allows the GHQ to apply calibrated pressure
- it allows the GHQ to break the will of the Afghan defiance: it will reify the threat
- it is an ideal lever: use Afghans against Afghans
- it is a lever which can be applied for 10-15 years just keeping the water boiling
- a large part of these guys will blame the Afghan elite for this misers (plus the GHQ)
3. Pakistan will not deport the refugees from Baluchistan because it dilutes the Baluch nationalist's claim by diluting the Baluch population

consider this: 200,000 skilled Afghans have left for greener pastures (Europe) -- this is an invaluable resource -- people who were mentored by the West to think and work in a progressive mindset have been drained and to this say 200,000 unskilled refugees will fill their place. It's intense pressure on Kabul -- every such tranche costs Kabul about 2-5 years (in my guess) of development in the current environment.

For the GHQ to prevail they need to bleed Kabul of 15-25 years -- which means you have another lost generation with almost guaranteed follow-on lost generation. This will force the Afghan elites into a very serious rethink as it could make them irrelevant if the system further collapses.

Considering that this GHQ policy (if it exists) probably come into force since 2012 -- it is already almost 5 years in the making.

It may not be a very moral modus operandi -- but it's probably a lot more benign than any kinetic option that the GHQ may utilize.

Fair assessment I would say, not sugar coated as such but then again I agree with you we are in PDF, probably should be in the business of realpolitik as you have always put it.

Emotional argumentation by some of the posters means little I would say.

I can not understand why everyone have gone nuts? I hope you people were not expecting no extension? It would be stupid to consider that in the current scenario. You thought all Afghans will return back when the deadline expires in a month or something. It is something not possible.

Afghan refugees are here since 3 decades and their return will be gradually and can take many years. The government is working to send them back in coordination with UNHCR. Well, if you were bashing government just for the sake of bashing, then I guess it can not be helped.

Rather than living in a dream, you people should live in the reality and its limitations. You people need to understand what is practically implementable and what is not.

There you go one of the better sounded arguments on the thread here.

Saying that GHQ is playing some kind of Game is not realistic.
Why?
1.There is no outcome to the extent that GHQ (Our army) intervenes and Involves itself.
2.Pressure of whom under which the afghan refugee bye bye time has not come?The afghan Government seriously?Peace talks?Oh common Unless I'm missing something here or that another afghan bhai has made up a whole new reality there is no negotiations involving afghan refugees influence to the issue,so saying that our army will succumb to a political pressure is untrue and will not forget National Interest.
3.The issue of Refugees is with Chaudry Nisaar (Internal Minister of Pakistan) and as many Pakistanis know our Great Internal Minister he doesn't like to be dictated not by the army or anyone,Hes straight and says everything there is.
4.Oh please brother can't you take it as just another Pakistani people extending our hearts to our afghan brothers?
5.And please do not now twist this story as a Pakistani this is just stupid to twist a simple Pakistani nation and its Government opening its heart to afghans
6.Case Closed

Please refer to @pakistani342 post. Please also see below an artcile from WP that backs up my assertion how the GHQ uses refugees as pressure tactic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...afghan-refugees-as-pawns-in-dispute-with-u-s/

So why doesn't the Afghan government set an example and start the repatriation process by itself? Who is stopping the Afghan government? Also, the Afghan government should dissuade Afghan citizens from visiting Pakistan. The Afghan government could do a lot to take back their citizens. Pointing fingers at others won't help your cause. Essentially, you can't take care of your own people.

Fairpoint, the NUG shouldn't be in the business of keeping or delaying the return of the AF refugees back to Afghanistan.
Yes it will stress the AF resources in the short to mid term but it is a win situation in the long run.

 

[Ahsan Maqsood]

Grant of extension to the refugees is a formality for hiding the inefficient mechanism designed for their vacation. The current scenario itself explains how Afghans are relishing the privileges of being a native citizen here more developed and confident than original Pakistanis. I myself from Quetta have witnessed their wealth which they earned in Pakistan through unfair means which inflicted heavy losses to Pakistani Govt. As well as took an opportunity of business from its natives as they were found incompetent against smugglers in the market. Ruling the economy as far as business is concerned. Planting bombs in the foundations of Pakistan to weaken the country for the sake of India. I literally watch the fall of my country 50 or 80 years before. It must be dealt immediately even with aggressive stance or else regret will be our fate for us.

Pakistan should get open mining right anywhere in Afghanistan for hosting their refugees a day longer. It time to do a deal, if Pakistan pay their bill than Pakistan should have right to use their resources too.

Let Pakistan extract its own resources. Lol

 

[TMA]

I can not understand why everyone have gone nuts? I hope you people were not expecting no extension? It would be stupid to consider that in the current scenario. You thought all Afghans will return back when the deadline expires in a month or something. It is something not possible.

Afghan refugees are here since 3 decades and their return will be gradually and can take many years. The government is working to send them back in coordination with UNHCR. Well, if you were bashing government just for the sake of bashing, then I guess it can not be helped.

Rather than living in a dream, you people should live in the reality and its limitations. You people need to understand what is practically implementable and what is not.

If there is a (political) will, there is a way.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I can not understand why everyone have gone nuts? I hope you people were not expecting no extension? It would be stupid to consider that in the current scenario. You thought all Afghans will return back when the deadline expires in a month or something. It is something not possible.

Afghan refugees are here since 3 decades and their return will be gradually and can take many years. The government is working to send them back in coordination with UNHCR. Well, if you were bashing government just for the sake of bashing, then I guess it can not be helped.

Rather than living in a dream, you people should live in the reality and its limitations. You people need to understand what is practically implementable and what is not.

Who said that all Afghans would have disappeared after expiration of the deadline? No one is under the illusion that Afghans would be gone that quickly from Pakistan.

However, after the expiration of the deadline, we can safely assume that repatriation would kickoff in a continuous manner. The Afghans would be repatriated in phases. This can take years before all Afghans are repatriated to their country of origin. The valid question is when this mass repatriation starts. The governments decision to extend the stay of Afghan refugees for another 6 months is just delaying the inevitable. Sooner or later, the government will be forced to take the final decision. Extending their stay is denial of the inevitable repatriation process.

Just because Afghans were allowed to remain in Pakistan for decades doesn't mean that they can stay here forever. We allowed them to stay on a humanitarian basis. Not on a permanent basis.

 

[PDF]

The governments decision to extend the stay of Afghan refugees for another 6 months is just delaying the inevitable.

The extension was granted so that they can return in phases. They will return but just not as early as everyone here thinks.

 

[IceCold]

I can not understand why everyone have gone nuts? I hope you people were not expecting no extension? It would be stupid to consider that in the current scenario. You thought all Afghans will return back when the deadline expires in a month or something. It is something not possible.

Afghan refugees are here since 3 decades and their return will be gradually and can take many years. The government is working to send them back in coordination with UNHCR. Well, if you were bashing government just for the sake of bashing, then I guess it can not be helped.

Rather than living in a dream, you people should live in the reality and its limitations. You people need to understand what is practically implementable and what is not.

What a load of crap. Tell me something why was this not thought off six months ago or even a year from the date of expiry? Was the government sleeping when the above is in question for a lot longer time.
Also nobody here has said or believes that just because it was the dead line all the sudden the Afghans would disappear. The process of their sending back would take time however had the government not extended their stay it would have started the process and all parties involved would have known that the clock is ticking which is now pushed back six months more thanks to this inept government of Nawaz Sharif.

 

[B+ Dracula]

Barter Trade, we can balance each other Quantra entries by accepting those 35 million afghans as Pakistani Citizen (in Punjab) and in reply, Afghans would accept Durand Line as settled down issue.

 

[iPhone]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1132923/pakistan-extends-afghan-refugees-stay-says-ambassador/

Wrong decision:

Afghan refugees must return now to Afghanistan but then again as I always maintained GHQ is just using this issue in the greater give and take game and won't deport all Afghans because its a card in the negotiations table and also those Afghan refugees is a good source of foot soldiers for AF talis.

But no one's forcing them to stay. They can just pick and go. Why are they choosing to stay?

 

[bazil]

Theres a news in DAWN about Minister SAFRON saying they can no longer stay as they are taking 1 million labour jobs.(Can't paste link cause I don't meet the minimum requirement)

Based on that, looks like 2016 will be the last year for extension of stay.

 

[Tipu7]

Barter Trade, we can balance each other Quantra entries by accepting those 35 million afghans as Pakistani Citizen (in Punjab) and in reply, Afghans would accept Durand Line as settled down issue.
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Non sense ........
How about accepting a few extra million Afghan and annexing entire Afghanistan in Pakistan?
With Kabul, Jalala bad, Kandhar as provisional capitals of Pakistan ........

 

[PDF]

The process of their sending back would take time however had the government not extended their stay it would have started the process and all parties involved would have known that the clock is ticking which is now pushed back six months more thanks to this inept government of Nawaz Sharif.

The process has already begun and in my opinion, granting extension would not have much effect on the process and the ground. One cannot simply return them before as we were facing a lot of problems which were our first priority. The government is not wholely responsible to send them back. They have to coordinate with relevant organizations. Yes Nawaz Government could do better but it has not done anything wrong. You can have a different opinion for all I care.

Now, the situation is that the government has fully decided that all refugees will go back sooner or later. The process is slow and will gradually gain momentum.