Pakistan discusses Su-35, S-400, T-90 MBT purchase with Russia.

[princefaisal]

Counting your chicken before they hatch?

Otherwise better to stick with Chinese aircraft options.

 

[KAI KAI Baloch]

What you are trying to prove here by posting that Indian T-90 have Israeli and French Thermal sights and 1500HP engine??

Did you know what kind Thermal & NV systems PA tanks using?? Also we are getting 1500HP engine tech from Ukraine and will built subsystems designed for Turkish MBT Atlay, so India don't have quality advantage over Pakistan in terms of Tanks it only have number advantage which can be negated with effective anti tank tactics using various anti tank weapons Pakistan have.

Also (if purchased or locally built) Pakistani T-90s will be very different beast as it will have very different systems installed in it.



One question how your attack helos gonna survive a AESA radar /EO/IR guided missile with 15km range in battle field supported by LY-80E, Radar /EO/IR guided AAAs & MANPADS???

Many Indians are in delusion that it's cake walk in war against Pakistan. If it was that easy your military would have attacked not just bark.

Dear basel,
guru dutt is wrong.... indian t90 s does not have a 1500 hp engine..... it has trophy protection system but not shtora...... indian t90 s bhisma is not t90 ms
Pakistan is interested in t90 ms.....
How can you talk to a troll when he is leading a conversation with false news

 

[Vapnope]

most of the Arab countries never had a soft spot for Pakistan.

That being said "FcuK arabs"/

 

[GumNaam]

That being said "FcuK arabs"/

Please don't say that about the Arab brothers and sisters. The Arab people have always been with Pakistan. @Sharpshooter12 is right but he is overlooking the fact the Arab leaders he mentioned were extremely secular and frankly, closet atheists and therefore couldn't care less about a nation born in the name of Islam. Also overlooked is the fact that these leaders are not the true extensions of the Arab people, that's why they were dictators.

 

[khanmubashir]

Pak would not buy su we r saving that money for 5 g jet
Nor t90 alkhalid with upgrades can dobjust as good if not better and at lower price armata too risky and unproven design
S400 is a possibility but still not confirm
Main thing would be buying sub systems like mig engines for jf17 and upgrades spares for Ukrainian bought air refueler

Rosoboronexport is under US sanctions. India can get away with exemption for being US/Trump friendly but may be Pakistan cant, hence this is the only obstacle that I think remains as for as Pakistan's purchases of S-400 are concerned.

As for the finances, Pakistan can do some "Jugad" as in the past.




You have to keep your house in order first.

thanks for your concerns
But USA also sanctioned several of pak and Chinese organizations but they have Been Working together for years
As dir your jugad we won't be giving all $ at once but delivery and payments would spread on years so can manage it financially BTW when will u sign s400 agreement u have dancing on it near a decade and still not even a signed deal

 

[Sharpshooter12]

Please don't say that about the Arab brothers and sisters. The Arab people have always been with Pakistan. @Sharpshooter12 is right but he is overlooking the fact the Arab leaders he mentioned were extremely secular and frankly, closet atheists and therefore couldn't care less about a nation born in the name of Islam. Also overlooked is the fact that these leaders are not the true extensions of the Arab people, that's why they were dictators.

Yes the problem with these monarchies and dictatorships is that instead of state to state relationships, personal relationships take precedence. Take Libya for example, we had a fantastic relationship with them during Bhutto's premiership, while a hostile relationship during Zia's regime. It again blossomed during Bibi's first tenure while deteriorated during Nawaz's to the point that their ambassador was kicked out of the country after Pakistani delegation headed by the PM was badly insulted by Gadaffi in Tripoli.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

By working with Russia in the sector of intelligence cooperation will be the most important goal rather should be the main goal of the two countries. The Russians were able to intercept about the coup in Turkey in great timing and warned Erdogan. This enhanced intelligence platform will be very beneficial for Pakistan.

Russians are our regional power and almost neighbors who are indirectly or directly affected by the violence coming from Afghanistan due to American continued occupation. military purchases aside. the cooperation must be strategic and long lasting in nature in terms of cooperating in combating international terrorism introduced due to American wars in Middle east and Afghanistan. intelligence sharing , economic co-operation and diplomatic ties will be more beneficial than some token defense procurement which both America and India will see with hostility.
I would rather prefer Russians allowing our students to study in Russia in medical science, engineering and mathematics and support some big industrial projects like the steel mills.
combat jets and helicopters will come eventually once there is a strong mutual cooperation already in place which cant be dented through disruptive diplomacy and blackmailing by countries that don't want Pak- china- Russia cooperation.

 

[BetterPakistan]

You don't have money that's why you went for the Chinese junk submarines rather than the much more advanced French or German ones. You don't have money that's why you had to settle for dirt cheap JF-17s and Al-Khalids (Don't tell me you hadn't gone for J10s, or F-16s if you had the money). You don't have have money that's why you had to cancel the planned F-16 purchase because the US refused to subsidise it. Regarding begging for food, its rich coming from a country which is at the bottom of the HDI index and Global Hunger Index in South Asia. Damn you people didn't have the money to conduct a proper census until now.

Kid,

We don't have money but still the equipment we manage in our military is way better than yours. Don't you remember how badly you witnessed 789-1874 non combat deaths during 2001-02 standoff ? This is the level of equipment and management in your military.

As far as french and german submarines are concerned the present 5 submarines we use in our navy are french submarines. Fool like you don't understand these complex defence matters. Defence deals are done with countries you have full faith on because of long term spare parts demands and maintenance but this is something self proclaimed indianlectuals don't know .

Al Khalid is more expensive than the T-90s you use in your army

JF-17s are indigenous and operational. With block 3 we will end alliance on other countries and will fight with your own fighter jet. We are moving on 5th gen indigenous jet while you are still living on dreams to make tejas indigenously and begging Russia for managing your Su-30s.

We had conducted proper census last year and on the basis of that result we are going to conduct elections this year. lol

Tell me how many people in your country have access to toilet and proper nutrition? Your country has the biggest number of beggars, poor, unemployed. Your country has more number of poor than the entire population of Europe or the entire population of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Japan and other countries. The number of poor in India are more than the total population of South Asia minus India.

We don't need those F-16s anymore our block 3 JF-17 will end the need of any other 4+ generation fighter jet.

Bunch of your military men posted videos about shortage of nutrition and they were crying for food after Tej Bahadur's video so better focus on proving proper nutrition to your soldiers instead of pointing at others. Your military men were crying after this year budget was announced in India.

I remember how your air force was looking for 126 rafales and end up with ordering 36 rafales because of shortage of money.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ase-better-than-ours-army-vice-chief-4766949/

 

[mdmm]

Reffering following news today,
https://jang.com.pk/news/531075
کراچی (رپورٹ / رفیق مانگٹ ) روسی میڈیا کے مطابق روس نے پاکستان کو ایس یو 35 لڑاکا طیاروں کی پیش کش کی ، روس بھارتی رویے کی وجہ سے پاکستان کے قریب ہو رہا ہے ،بھارت نے اپنے رویے سے روس سے اپنی تمام اخلاقی ذمہ داریوں کو ختم کردیا ہے۔
This forum already wrote that Pakistan was trying to buy SU-35 fighters jet,from Russia.
Now Russia offered.WILL PAKISTAN buy these SU-35 jet fighters ??

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Why does Pakistan need T-90 junk as 'not a one time purchase but a long term comittment' if superior Al khalid already exists and even more mighty AK-2 on the way?Who in their right minds would want a repainted upgraded T-72 ?I'm so confused, great @Dazzler . Enlighten me.

On topic - Pakistan won't get S-400.Too costly and would end indo-russian military relationship.Same with Su-35.T-90 might be possible.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Why does Pakistan need T-90 junk as 'not a one time purchase but a long term comittment' if superior Al khalid already exists and even more mighty AK-2 on the way?Who in their right minds would want a repainted upgraded T-72 ?I'm so confused, great @Dazzler . Enlighten me.

On topic - Pakistan won't get S-400.Too costly and would end indo-russian military relationship.Same with Su-35.T-90 might be possible.

its just fanboy list/wishes whatever you want to call it .. everything Russia offers we can get in easier terms from China .. S-400 / HQ-9 , Su-35 / J-15D , T-90 / Type99(A)
any big ticket items that may come from Russia might come from China like RD-93 .

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

its just fanboy list/wishes whatever you want to call it .. everything Russia offers we can get in easier terms from China .. S-400 / HQ-9 , Su-35 / J-15D , T-90 / Type99(A)
any big ticket items that may come from Russia might come from China like RD-93 .

HQ-9 and S-400 -Big difference.Thats why China actually bought S-400,and didn't make HQ-9 .Chinese S-400 copying wont help.Which is why Russia doesnt mind selling it to NATO member turkey.
https://sputniknews.com/military/201709181057496814-s400-turkey-secrets-safe/

RD-93 is old early 4rth gen fighter engine.Its not a 'big ticket item' by any means.You can get chinese tanks and aircraft ofcourse.

 

[Ultima Thule]

HQ-9 and S-400 -Big difference.Thats why China actually bought S-400,and didn't make HQ-9 .Chinese S-400 copying wont help.Which is why Russia doesnt mind selling it to NATO member turkey.
https://sputniknews.com/military/201709181057496814-s400-turkey-secrets-safe/

RD-93 is old early 4rth gen fighter engine.Its not a 'big ticket item' by any means.You can get chinese tanks and aircraft ofcourse.

only 4 batteries of S-400 was inducted @AUSTERLITZ

 

[Dazzler]

Why does Pakistan need T-90 junk as 'not a one time purchase but a long term comittment' if superior Al khalid already exists and even more mighty AK-2 on the way?Who in their right minds would want a repainted upgraded T-72 ?I'm so confused, great @Dazzler . Enlighten me.

On topic - Pakistan won't get S-400.Too costly and would end indo-russian military relationship.Same with Su-35.T-90 might be possible.

To replace even older junk like 59 and 69. Not a bad deal if it comes at around $3 million a pop.

On topic, what pakistan can or cannot afford is none of India's business.

 

[YeBeWarned]

HQ-9 and S-400 -Big difference.Thats why China actually bought S-400,and didn't make HQ-9 .Chinese S-400 copying wont help.Which is why Russia doesnt mind selling it to NATO member turkey.

just 4 ? Chinese SAM's are at par with Russia .. and we would be happy enough with HQ-9 if we get them ..

RD-93 is old early 4rth gen fighter engine.Its not a 'big ticket item' by any means.You can get chinese tanks and aircraft ofcourse.

RD-93 was mentioned as example , if Pakistan wants Flankers they can buy it from China by negotiating a NoC from Russia where India can not do Sh!t .. we don't need Chinese Tanks as we have our own project of AK-2 on its way , as for Aircraft we have our JF block3 and Azm ..